What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are cheering for it to happen.

No, I'm not.

Have you said one word against this policy? Have you called your Congressman or Senator? Emailed or written the WH?

Have you said or done ANYTHING to stop your President from torturing and abusing children, some as young as 2, as a political ploy. If not, you are cheering him on.

Even Melania Trump has publically condemned her husband’s policy.

She used the term "her husbands policy?"

 

[Ame®icano]

And neither is the government taking their kids away during the process, yet you on the left bitch about that.

Ripping children out of the arms of their parents is a crime against humanity. At the very least it is a human rights violation of the children’s rights as stated by the United Nations.

This is a traumatizing and terrorizing event for these children, one which will affect them all of their lives. Many of the children are being drugged to deal with the emotional effects of being separated from the parents.

Is this the image the USA wants to project to the world. A nation which terrorizes and traumatizes children for political gain?

Ripping children out of the arms of their parents is a crime against humanity. At the very least it is a human rights violation of the children’s rights as stated by the United Nations.

This is a traumatizing and terrorizing event for these children, one which will affect them all of their lives. Many of the children are being drugged to deal with the emotional effects of being separated from the parents.

Is this the image the USA wants to project to the world. A nation which terrorizes and traumatizes children for political gain?

It’s unimaginable that there are people in favor of ripping 1y/o babies from their parents by policy.

Makes you wonder about their upbringing

Your “tolerant based” cries are just plain comical.
You fools realize that ALL detained criminals are separated from their children....RIGHT?
And you realize they’re seperated as a result of their own actions...RIGHT?
Were none of you fools ever taught cause and effect?

Applying for asylum is not a crime.

Knowing you can’t qualify for a asylum…And trying anyway knowing you’ll be separated from your children…Should be a crime though...right?

Neither applying for asylum nor being denied asylum is a crime. Children should not be separated in either case.

You do know what asylum means and where do you ask for it, do ya?

Tell me one reason why children of illegals should not be separated from, assuming their illegal alien parents.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thanks for sharing, Reverend Cornball, but "loving the strangers" doesn't require letting them invade and destroy our home.

I need no lessons in charity and compassion from asshats who think they both involve voting money out of other people's pockets.

You need lessons in basic humanity. But most You need to be exposed as a Russian troll who only masquerades as an American who opposes immigration. This encourages American citizens to violate their beliefs and their Constitution and to inflict harm on little children.

Deplorable doesn’t even begin to cover it.

I need nothing that would make me anything similar to the likes of you. You need to realize that YOU are no sort of standard people are aspiring to.

I'm going to take "Russian troll" as a sign that you've finally recognized that you can't deflect your way out of the fact that this law you're so "outraged" about as of five minutes ago is 100% the fault of LEFTISTS, and you're too much of a craven liar to admit it.

Case closed. You're dismissed, puswad.

This isn’t a “law” nor is it a requirement. This is Trump torturing children for political gain and you cheering the abuse.

This is who you are. A selfish, amoral xenophobe who supports child abuse

They are illegal aliens, they have no constitutional rights. Who gives a fucking shit about them

Wrong.
Asylum seekers have a constitutional right to due process of their claim. Making that process criminal is decidedly unconstitutional.

No, they do not have that right. They are not Americans. We don't extend constitutional rights to people outside of our country.

Once in our country, it needs to be determined if their asylum claim is genuine, or just an excuse to get a hearing that will take 3 to 4 years, and then like 80% of them, just not show up in court.

The countries these people come from are shit holes. They were shit holes 20 years ago, shit holes now, and will be shit holes in 20 years from today. Nothing has changed. Asylum is to provide a safe haven from governments or movements that are a threat to life. Once in Mexico, that was already accomplished.

 

[Ame®icano]

And neither is the government taking their kids away during the process, yet you on the left bitch about that.

Ripping children out of the arms of their parents is a crime against humanity. At the very least it is a human rights violation of the children’s rights as stated by the United Nations.

This is a traumatizing and terrorizing event for these children, one which will affect them all of their lives. Many of the children are being drugged to deal with the emotional effects of being separated from the parents.

Is this the image the USA wants to project to the world. A nation which terrorizes and traumatizes children for political gain?

You really have no idea how much I'm laughing every time you parrot "ripping out of the arms of their parents". At the point where it became literally impossible for you to use any phrase BUT that, it became farce.

You leftists are 100% responsible for this happening. It was YOUR law; YOU insisted on it. YOU screamed and hollered that it was "the only humane thing to do". Now you flip on a dime and the complete opposite is "the only humane thing to do". And you really, genuinely expect us all to gasp in horror on cue, because you're too piss-stupid to realize how obviously you've overplayed your hand.

Traumatize this, twerp. No one gives a shit about your melodramatic hyperbole any more.

The parents are criminals, they're in jail pending hearing, and they're staying in jail pending hearing. Period. You can
clutch your pearls and screech and wail to your heart's content; no one cares.

Really?? No one?? Not Franklin Graham who said this policy is wrong?

Clergy Condemns AG Justifying Family Separation With Bible

Religious Rights Of Border Detainees Under Scrutiny As Black Ministers Condemn Trump’s Baby Snatcher Immigration Policy

Faith Leaders Oppose Trump's Immigration Policy Of Separating Children From Parents

8 Clergy Arrested to Stop Immigration Policies That Tear Families Apart: Supporters Escalate Protests Demanding Release of Immigrant Rights Leader

Phoenix church hosts Father's Day rally to protest immigration policy separating migrant families


Maybe no one cares but it looks like a whole lot of faith leaders do, as do their parishioners.

Trump is coldly, calculating that by causing lifetime, irreversible harm to toddlers, he can bully people to get get what he wants. This is leadership?

Well, goody for you. You found a bunch of gloryhounds who are willing to suck up to leftists for media time. I'll get right on treating them as "faith leaders" simply because YOU decided they were spokesmen for something.

LEFTISTS demanded that law. You can parrot, "Trump's fault! Trump's fault!" while cravenly ignoring this fact until your face turns blue, and I frankly hope you do. But it's not going to make your posts any less ignorant and disgustingly false and it's not going to make anyone the slightest bit interested in being "shamed" because trash like you demands it.

You want to talk cold and calculating? Let's start with the way you leftists demanded a law you had no desire or intention to see enforced, strictly to give yourselves cover to release illegal aliens into the population in job lots. And then we'll move on to the way you're trying to shove the blame for your shit law onto anyone but yourselves, now that you can't use it any more.

No one here believes a word of your "ripping away! *sob sob*" melodrama. It's nothing but faux-rage. And it's falling on deaf ears. Next time, don't be such a bunch of disingenuous pusbags.

Trump could stop the separations of families with a phone call.

No amount of spin can change that fact.

Why he should do that? He's just continuing the same policy from previous presidents. That policy wasn't a problem to you lefties while Dubya and Barry were in the office, but NOW is a "yuge" problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are cheering for it to happen.

No, I'm not.

Have you said one word against this policy? Have you called your Congressman or Senator? Emailed or written the WH?

Have you said or done ANYTHING to stop your President from torturing and abusing children, some as young as 2, as a political ploy. If not, you are cheering him on.

Did you do that during the Obama years?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Putting innocent children in jail with adults is a really bad idea, are Democrats dumb or something?

Don't put the adults in jail then. Duh.

Then millions more will come, duh!

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[Ame®icano]

Yes, Flopper illegal aliens criminals are really great and a model for the Western World to learn from. They really care about humanity and stuff.

Desperate people do desperate things. Refugees risk everything to crowd onto an unseaworthy boat for a 50/50 chance of making it to Europe.

Hondurans and Guatemalans cross two borders illegally and a thousands miles, mostly on foot to enter the US with less than a 40% chance of being granted asylum. Why? Because the odds are even worse if they stay home. Some people will consider them just criminals, mud people, the scum of the earth and others will see them as people that are willing to sacrifice everything for just a chance to become an American.

Those what you call "refugees" from northern Africa are not refugees. They are seekers of free shit they can get in Europe.

Honduran and Guatemalan are not fleeing wars. They cannot be refugees. Also, as refugee you don't get to pick where to go, you are simply getting asylum if neighboring country that's not affected by the war. That's what UN is saying, if you'd like to check.

 

[Ame®icano]

I'm interested in hearing proposals from people who support the objective of preventing illegal immigration, and want a more humane treatment of children (all people really) but still retains the objective of preventing all illegal immigration. I'm unclear when this concern for children is merely an excuse to oppose aggressive efforts to stop illegal immigration. If we fix the problem with children does that get their support for the measure, or will they just come up with a new complaint.

I am not suggesting that the problem should not be addressed because many of the proponents of fixing it are disingenuous. But I am curious to know which complaints are from supporters of Trump's overall objective.

We are not treating children "inhumanely" by putting them in foster care. We do that to American children all the time when their parents are locked up. It sucks to have to do it, but I don't see that we have a responsibility to make life not suck.

I'd like to see pictures of places where those kids came from, and compare them to what they're getting in "concentration camps". I get they all lived in mansions, had three to four meals a day, toilet and shower, clean clothing and they were all checked daily by their doctors.

 

[Rustic]

These parents having these kids in these shit hole countries then trying to jump the fence into this country is inexcusable...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

From my twitter feed

Thanks for sharing, Reverend Cornball, but "loving the strangers" doesn't require letting them invade and destroy our home.

I need no lessons in charity and compassion from asshats who think they both involve voting money out of other people's pockets.

You need lessons in basic humanity. But most You need to be exposed as a Russian troll who only masquerades as an American who opposes immigration. This encourages American citizens to violate their beliefs and their Constitution and to inflict harm on little children.

Deplorable doesn’t even begin to cover it.

I need nothing that would make me anything similar to the likes of you. You need to realize that YOU are no sort of standard people are aspiring to.

I'm going to take "Russian troll" as a sign that you've finally recognized that you can't deflect your way out of the fact that this law you're so "outraged" about as of five minutes ago is 100% the fault of LEFTISTS, and you're too much of a craven liar to admit it.

Case closed. You're dismissed, puswad.

This isn’t a “law” nor is it a requirement. This is Trump torturing children for political gain and you cheering the abuse.

This is who you are. A selfish, amoral xenophobe who supports child abuse

Nobody is being tortured. Why do you on the left continue to use lies to try and make your point?

 

[Ame®icano]

Meanwhile, in the real world, Trump’s brutal, unwarranted policy of separating children from their families has failed to act as a ‘deterrent’ to immigration:

“…a month after the administration started generating headlines about family separation, the Homeland Security Department's own data showed the policy did not yet have the desired and predicted effect on the number of people trying to cross the border illegally or the number who show up at a legal crossing without paperwork, but may be claiming asylum.”

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/family-separation-deterrence-dhs/index.html

At least Trump and his supporters are consistent at being wrong.

Trump's policy?

The Truth about Separating Kids

Obama held more than double of number of children in shelters compared to Trump White House

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Meanwhile, in the real world, Trump’s brutal, unwarranted policy of separating children from their families has failed to act as a ‘deterrent’ to immigration:

“…a month after the administration started generating headlines about family separation, the Homeland Security Department's own data showed the policy did not yet have the desired and predicted effect on the number of people trying to cross the border illegally or the number who show up at a legal crossing without paperwork, but may be claiming asylum.”

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/family-separation-deterrence-dhs/index.html

At least Trump and his supporters are consistent at being wrong.

Our economy is booming right now. The worldwide report is we have more jobs than workers. Of course more will try to get in and get a piece of the pie.

 

[Ame®icano]

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

From my twitter feed

Thanks for sharing, Reverend Cornball, but "loving the strangers" doesn't require letting them invade and destroy our home.

I need no lessons in charity and compassion from asshats who think they both involve voting money out of other people's pockets.

You need lessons in basic humanity. But most You need to be exposed as a Russian troll who only masquerades as an American who opposes immigration. This encourages American citizens to violate their beliefs and their Constitution and to inflict harm on little children.

Deplorable doesn’t even begin to cover it.

I need nothing that would make me anything similar to the likes of you. You need to realize that YOU are no sort of standard people are aspiring to.

I'm going to take "Russian troll" as a sign that you've finally recognized that you can't deflect your way out of the fact that this law you're so "outraged" about as of five minutes ago is 100% the fault of LEFTISTS, and you're too much of a craven liar to admit it.

Case closed. You're dismissed, puswad.

This isn’t a “law” nor is it a requirement. This is Trump torturing children for political gain and you cheering the abuse.

This is who you are. A selfish, amoral xenophobe who supports child abuse.

According to the data, what Trump is doing to those poor kids is child's play comparing to what Barry did to them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Nope. I want families kept together unless there is a darn good reason to remove the child.

But what about all the parents sending their children alone across the frontier to be handled by complete strangers in hopes of getting them across the border? Have they not already broken up the family? Did they not already damage that precious bond between parent and child?

Bears repeating again

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, Flopper illegal aliens criminals are really great and a model for the Western World to learn from. They really care about humanity and stuff.

Desperate people do desperate things. Refugees risk everything to crowd onto an unseaworthy boat for a 50/50 chance of making it to Europe.

Hondurans and Guatemalans cross two borders illegally and a thousands miles, mostly on foot to enter the US with less than a 40% chance of being granted asylum. Why? Because the odds are even worse if they stay home. Some people will consider them just criminals, mud people, the scum of the earth and others will see them as people that are willing to sacrifice everything for just a chance to become an American.

We need to find some countries which will take them. I'll bet we could cut a deal with some places like Burkina Faso or Bangladesh to accept $1,000 plus a year's room and board in an optional refugee camp to admit them as refugees. If Guatemala is dangerous they'll want to go to Burkina Faso. If they're looking for economic improvement maybe not.

People from Canada seem to be shooting off their mouths. Let's ship them over there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, Flopper illegal aliens criminals are really great and a model for the Western World to learn from. They really care about humanity and stuff.

Desperate people do desperate things. Refugees risk everything to crowd onto an unseaworthy boat for a 50/50 chance of making it to Europe.

Hondurans and Guatemalans cross two borders illegally and a thousands miles, mostly on foot to enter the US with less than a 40% chance of being granted asylum. Why? Because the odds are even worse if they stay home. Some people will consider them just criminals, mud people, the scum of the earth and others will see them as people that are willing to sacrifice everything for just a chance to become an American.

So how will they ever turn their countries around if they don't stay and make changes themselves? What you are saying is that we should allow them to come here from that breeding ground and just keep taking more and more by the millions. Until when, when we are 25 trillion in debt?

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[Rustic]

Yes, Flopper illegal aliens criminals are really great and a model for the Western World to learn from. They really care about humanity and stuff.

Desperate people do desperate things. Refugees risk everything to crowd onto an unseaworthy boat for a 50/50 chance of making it to Europe.

Hondurans and Guatemalans cross two borders illegally and a thousands miles, mostly on foot to enter the US with less than a 40% chance of being granted asylum. Why? Because the odds are even worse if they stay home. Some people will consider them just criminals, mud people, the scum of the earth and others will see them as people that are willing to sacrifice everything for just a chance to become an American.

We need to find some countries which will take them. I'll bet we could cut a deal with some places like Burkina Faso or Bangladesh to accept $1,000 plus a year's room and board in an optional refugee camp to admit them as refugees. If Guatemala is dangerous they'll want to go to Burkina Faso. If they're looking for economic improvement maybe not.

People from Canada seem to be shooting of their mouths. Let's ship them over there.

No doubt, If they want those little fuckers so bad put their money where their mouth is

 

[Rustic]

Yes, Flopper illegal aliens criminals are really great and a model for the Western World to learn from. They really care about humanity and stuff.

Desperate people do desperate things. Refugees risk everything to crowd onto an unseaworthy boat for a 50/50 chance of making it to Europe.

Hondurans and Guatemalans cross two borders illegally and a thousands miles, mostly on foot to enter the US with less than a 40% chance of being granted asylum. Why? Because the odds are even worse if they stay home. Some people will consider them just criminals, mud people, the scum of the earth and others will see them as people that are willing to sacrifice everything for just a chance to become an American.

So how will they ever turn their countries around if they don't stay and make changes themselves? What you are saying is that we should allow them to come here from that breeding ground and just keep taking more and more by the millions. Until when, when we are 25 trillion in debt?

No doubt, if you include unfunded liabilities it’s 225+ trillion...
We can’t possibly afford these little fuckers