What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

Entirely true. Trouble is, we're full-up...we don't need any more than we already have, and there is no point in intentionally overcrowding ourselves until we attain $hithole status.

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

 

[Cellblock2429]

What human cost is acceptable in controlling illegal immigration?

For Republicans it's their soul. Because of the way they do it.

/——/ Once they reach Mexico they have asslyum. Why does Mexico mistreat them? They already speak Spanish and can understand the culture. Why doesn’t Canada send ships to the Mexican border and bring the kids to their country. Why is only the USA singled out as evil villains by you guys?

 

[kaz]

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

Obviously after Slick and Obama that isn't a standard for you. And it's not really going to be up to Trump.

We've imported so many millions of legal immigrants and illegal aliens, you're clearly just driven by keeping the tap of Democrat voters open. Legal immigrants are going to be more split. You want the poor ones

 

[Flopper]

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

 

[Cellblock2429]

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

/——/
There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.

 

[kaz]

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

You need only look at the posts in this and other illegal immigration threads. About half of those fighting illegal immigration are opposing legal immigration.
For example take a look at these groups who claim to be fighting illegal immigration but are really opposing immigration.
http://www.americanimmigrationcontrol.com/
www.ccir.net
www.fairus.org
www.duke.org/nf/index.html
www.numbersusa.com/home.html
www.ProjectUSA.org
www.tscpress.com
www.steinreport.com
www.vdare.com
www.americanpatrol.com

/——/ I read the first one and I agree with them : AIC is about reducing annual legal immigration to numbers which can be readily assimilated.
What’s wrong with that?

And Flopper's caught in yet another lie. He said they are "opposing legal immigration." That was just a lie

 

[Cellblock2429]

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they get here.

/——/ OH bullshyt.

 

[kaz]

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

It's called confirmation bias.

Note you gave a list of sites you claimed opposed legal immigration, and the very first site didn't. It was a lie

 

[Flopper]

What human cost is acceptable in controlling illegal immigration?

For Republicans it's their soul. Because of the way they do it.

/——/ Once they reach Mexico they have asslyum. Why does Mexico mistreat them? They already speak Spanish and can understand the culture. Why doesn’t Canada send ships to the Mexican border and bring the kids to their country. Why is only the USA singled out as evil villains by you guys?

The criticism is not so much about what we're trying do but rather how we are going about it.

 

[kaz]

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

/——/
There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.

Illegal aliens are keeping blacks unemployed. Flopper doesn't care because blacks are already here voting for Democrats. He needs more poor Mexicans for his blood feud with Republicans

 

[kaz]

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they get here.

/——/ OH bullshyt.

Can you imagine if we made up left positions and attributed them to leftists? Flopper would be like that's not true, I'm a leftist, that isn't our position! He'd suddenly get it. But he sits here telling us what Republicans who he hates think as if he has any idea.

Then again he directly lied saying his sites were sites that oppose legal immigration which just turned out to be a lie

 

[bripat9643]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Dang, you must be embarassed that Coyotes are the problem. Body snatchers and smugglers....

Coyote's a leftist. She has no shame. Her views have been validated by the left, so she can say anything no matter how stupid it is. Like that she's against illegal immigration while she does nothing but fight to enable illegal immigration.

And yet she's not responsible for the cost to society, crime, welfare, none of it. She has no shame, nothing is her responsibility, including her own actions

You just described the typical snowflake. They're destroying this country.

 

[bripat9643]

...It appears that over the last 200 years those tired, poor, and handle masses entering this nation and have built the greatest nation on earth. Can't argue with success.

Entirely true. Trouble is, we're full-up...we don't need any more than we already have, and there is no point in intentionally overcrowding ourselves until we attain $hithole status.

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems, or they help us in competing in a global economy. All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

We don't need any immigrants at all. All you pro-immigration saps can never explain how Americans gain a single thing by importing more people into this country.

 

[Flopper]

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

/——/
There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.

There is. The body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members. I don't think Trump is messing with that number. It is .2% of the population, way too small.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they get here.

/——/ OH bullshyt.

Can you imagine if we made up left positions and attributed them to leftists? Flopper would be like that's not true, I'm a leftist, that isn't our position! He'd suddenly get it. But he sits here telling us what Republicans who he hates think as if he has any idea.

Then again he directly lied saying his sites were sites that oppose legal immigration which just turned out to be a lie

/——/ Great idea. Let me start. The Left wants to ban farming to save the environment. They say we get all the food we need from supermarkets. Flopper agrees.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We're talking about illegal aliens, not immigrants, race whoring dickhead

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.

/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What human cost is acceptable in controlling illegal immigration?

For Republicans it's their soul. Because of the way they do it.

It's so comical how you leftists get religious when you think it supports your agenda.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration

Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.

/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.

 

[bripat9643]

...It appears that over the last 200 years those tired, poor, and handle masses entering this nation and have built the greatest nation on earth. Can't argue with success.

Entirely true. Trouble is, we're full-up...we don't need any more than we already have, and there is no point in intentionally overcrowding ourselves until we attain $hithole status.

One can argue that we need more immigrants because they start more new businesses than native born Americans.

They start more new businesses than native born Americans only if you count selling breakfast burritos at construction sites to be a business.

or that immigrants bring new ideas to solve old problems,

Really? Got any examples?

or they help us in competing in a global economy.

How does sucking off the taxpayers help us compete in the global economy?

All true but more important is the fact that our demographics are such that we will not be able fill existing jobs much less the new jobs that are being created. Our economy will go into a structural decline before mid-century.

Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years. Not only is the labor force shrinking due to retirement but we are creating new jobs at rate of 175,000 to 240,000 a month.

Great. that means high demand for workers, which translates into better pay. Why do you want to undermine American wages?

Without immigration, the only way we can fill those jobs is with a high birthrate. However, our birth rate has reached a 30 year low. It has been trending down for decades. At this rate we not be able to replace the existing population and the trend seems to be accelerating.

Even if we double the number of legal immigrants entering the country, we still will not be able to keep up with demand.
Baby Boomers Retire
U.S. Births Dip To 30-Year Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further Below Replacement Level

There is already a lot of discussion about the fact that automation and AI will be make a lot of jobs obsolete, and you want to exacerbate the problem by importing cheap labor?