What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

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Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half
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There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.
There is. The body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members. I don't think Trump is messing with that number. It is .2% of the population, way too small.

And we have almost 2 million illegal aliens combining border crossers with VISA overstays, WAY too large.

Once we get that under control, we can increase legal immigration.

Every action you take is about getting more Democrat votes on the voter rolls. Not one action you're taking costs the Democrats a vote. Your motive is clear
 
Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.

I think immigration should be tied to their ability to support themselves rather than quotas. You come here, support yourself for seven years, you can become a citizen. They aren't going to be able to do that if they don't learn to speak English
 
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.

I think immigration should be tied to their ability to support themselves rather than quotas. You come here, support yourself for seven years, you can become a citizen. They aren't going to be able to do that if they don't learn to speak English

I agree, but talking with people close to the border (I've never been there) the problem they have are illegals crowding 12 people into a two family home or apartment. That brings down property value. So they can work at McDonald's part time and still make claim of supporting themselves. The other problem is anchor babies. Come here and have a bunch of kids, and then you can share in their welfare plus be able to make claim they need you here because they are little Americans that cannot support themselves.
 
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half
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There has to be limits to any immigration. The illegals are taking spots from the legals.
There is. The body of law governing current immigration policy, provides for an annual worldwide limit of 675,000 permanent immigrants, with certain exceptions for close family members. I don't think Trump is messing with that number. It is .2% of the population, way too small.

And we have almost 2 million illegal aliens combining border crossers with VISA overstays, WAY too large.

Once we get that under control, we can increase legal immigration.

Every action you take is about getting more Democrat votes on the voter rolls. Not one action you're taking costs the Democrats a vote. Your motive is clear

If you want a Visa in this country, you should have to make a down payment, say 2K or so. If you don't turn it in and leave the country, you lose your deposit. Plus if it's a work Visa, we keep 10% of your net pay in escrow for the same reason.
 
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Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
That depends of what you mean by assimilation. It's going to take quite a while to change their skin color and eliminate all trace of their heritage, like about 100 years.
 
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
That depends of what you mean by assimilation. It's going to take quite a while to change their skin color and eliminate all trace of their heritage, like about 100 years.
/——/ it has nothing to do with changing skin color you freakin moron. It means blending into our society
 
Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
That depends of what you mean by assimilation. It's going to take quite a while to change their skin color and eliminate all trace of their heritage, like about 100 years.
/——/ it has nothing to do with changing skin color you freakin moron. It means blending into our society
Of course he has to accuse anyone who opposes his agenda of racism. How else can he defend such utter nonsense?
 
Legally immigration is closely linked to illegal immigration because the forces fighting illegal immigration are also fighting to keep legal immigrants out the country. Our government is working frantically to make sure there is no welcome mat to immigrants, legal or illegal. We desperately need more legal immigrants and desperately need less illegal immigrants and we're not making much progress in either direction.
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.



You’re wrong.
 
Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.



The Know-Nothing party is gone. Let it go or join it in the dustbin.
 
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.



The Know-Nothing party is gone. Let it go or join it in the dustbin.
/——/ To prove they aren’t racists, libs are now required to post only in Spanish
 
White garbage is not trying to flood our country illegally. They present other problems.

First, Racist from Cleveland said "minority garbage", he didn't specify illegals.

secondly, they are hardly flooding. 3% of the population is undocumented.

You already told me your max salary was $80K. Now you make less than $25K. It's not the money I can't afford, that's for sure. I wouldn't do you to my staff though.

No, guy, your comprehension is messed up. I currently make 80K a year

So that Friday, we did it. We fired 30% of the company. All of them had either personally bad attitudes or just bad attitudes about doing any work. You were a marginal worker, it was your bad attitude that got you fired.

Naw, man, what has gotten me fired is bad management. Most companies I was let go from went out of business in a year totally without any help from me. One couldn't even blame a recession.

Here's what you didn't know because you were gone. You know how many of you we had to replace? Zero. It wasn't just you I didn't replace, I didn't need to replace any of you.

Guy, as I said, usually when a company lets people go, it's because the higher ups fucked up and the company is in a nose dive. Downsizing is almost always a sign of bad management. Any manager who "fires" his way to a better staff never gets there.

Because usually for every person they fire, two people get the clue and quit.

But I will give you one bit of compliment... If it weren't for assholes like you as managers, nobody would want new resumes... So really, people like you really do provide me a living.
 
It's an accepted managment understanding that 20% of the people do 80% of the work. I've managed many projects where such is the case. I had one guy under me who never fixed a single bug. I could easily do more work than any 5 of the worst performers. In fact, training them just meant I had to do more work than I would have to do if they weren't there. My boss whined about the fact that he had to pay me about 30% more than these useless drones.

Um, yeah, you are on here 24/7 spewing racist crap. I think you need to show your boss your USMB posts and then we see how long you keep a job.
 
Bad actors influence others as well. One of our customers just got rid of their shipper. The guy came to work explicitly to make problems for everybody. I hated to pickup there, but it was not only me, other drivers from other companies told me how they hated dealing with this Ahole. In fact some years ago, a driver punched him out he got so pissed; probably lost his job too.

Oh, racist, it seems like everywhere you drive, there are people with problems. Union guys, minorities...

Has it ever occurred to you it's just you?
 
Yeah, the reasons may be different, but that's what it's like firing people. I keep it short and factual. Leftists of course say, don't you care about people? They have families. First of all of course in their typical style, leftists are telling me what to do with my money, not what they are doing with theirs. Second, of course I care about their family. But they should have cared more about their own family and tried harder.

again, you are a bottom feeder who doesn't even offer health insurance.

Managers who think they can fire their way to a better workplace usually have teams with shitty morale. Who wants to work at a place where you can be fired on a whim?
 
We'll do just fine without them. The shorter the labor, the higher the wage offerings. On one hand you people on the left complain that the middle-class is shrinking, and on the other you claim we need imports to do jobs because every single American is working today. Well.......the labor force participation rate doesn't reflect that. When people really need to get work done, they will increase their offers.

Again, most of the jobs these folks do, Americans simply don't want to do.

They don't want to clean toilets or pick lettuce.

The middle class is not shrinking because immigrants are taking the awful jobs. It is shrinking because the one percenters are out there cutting wages and benefits.
 
As amusing as it is to watch Kaz's weird fascination with me, let's get back to the subject at hand.

The reason why we have an illegal immigration problem is because there are jobs Americans just simply do not want to do, no matter how much you pay them.

That's it. Americans don't want to work in sweatshops. They don't want to pick lettuce for 8 hours a day under the hot sun.

So there are some very simple ways to solve these problems without building walls or putting kids in a concentration camp.

1) Develop a National ID system. You can't get work without the National ID, which links to a database that will have your picture and thumbprint in it so it can't be faked.

2) Have ICE concentrate its efforts on workplace enforcement. The reality is, only a few employers are the bad apples, and if you make an example out of them, the rest will follow.

3) Create a Guest Worker Program like Germany has. Migrants can come here without their families for a set period of time to work as needed by certain industries. At the end of their period, they have to go home.

Of course, since our anger on this issue isn't based on rationality, these things won't be done. The One Percent want illegals for cheap labor,and they want to keep guys like Ray mad about it so they won't notice the screwing they are getting.
 
I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
/——/ We restricted immigrants for decades so the ones here could assimilate. The Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that restricted entry to 2 percent of the total number of people of each nationality in America as of the 1890 national census–a system that favored immigrants from Western Europe–and prohibited immigrants from Asia.

Well the left feels this kind of thing has never happened before---only with Trump.

The changes taking place because of foreigners is obvious. It's time to stop migration until at least everybody can speak and read the language here.

I think immigration should be tied to their ability to support themselves rather than quotas. You come here, support yourself for seven years, you can become a citizen. They aren't going to be able to do that if they don't learn to speak English

I agree, but talking with people close to the border (I've never been there) the problem they have are illegals crowding 12 people into a two family home or apartment. That brings down property value. So they can work at McDonald's part time and still make claim of supporting themselves. The other problem is anchor babies. Come here and have a bunch of kids, and then you can share in their welfare plus be able to make claim they need you here because they are little Americans that cannot support themselves.

Those are real issues that need to be solved. We have a better chance to do that though if people can only come legally
 
/——/ Total made up bullshyt. We aren’t against legal immigration. It’s the Progs who want to flood the country with future democRAT voters that’s the issue. You’re just trying to refute our demand to enforce our laws by claiming we’re against all immigrants. Total bullshyt Strawman argument.

Trump is proposing cutting legal immigration.

Republicans balk at Trump’s cuts to legal immigration
Trump says one thing today and does the opposite tomorrow. A year or so ago he was supporting a plan to cut immigration in half.
Trump Supports Plan to Cut Legal Immigration by Half

I've conversed with a lot people about illegal immigration and the one thing that stands out is that most people that feel strongly about stopping illegal immigration think legal immigration should be reduced or abolished. They just don't want all those Hispanics, Africans, and Asians in their country regardless of how they got here.

Or maybe we feel that they are not assimilating in our country very well and need more time.
That depends of what you mean by assimilation. It's going to take quite a while to change their skin color and eliminate all trace of their heritage, like about 100 years.

You mean because there are only white citizens in this country, race baiting dickhead. And you really are a douche. He's talking about the ability to function here in English. Not making them deny their heritage.

Idiot
 
You mean because there are only white citizens in this country, race baiting dickhead. And you really are a douche. He's talking about the ability to function here in English. Not making them deny their heritage.

Except he didn't say "ability to speak English", he said "assimilate".

Hey, maybe we should eliminate St. Paddy's Day, Oktoberfest, Columbus Day and the Polish Parade here in Chicago because, hey, those people need to "assimilate", right?
 
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