What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

Many people have been granted asylum because of religious persecuted, not by government necessary but by the community.
Read the law. the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting of the applicant. It does not have to be government doing the persecuting. The reason for the persuasion is critical, not who is doing it. For example, if a person seeks asylum because they fear gang violence or police corruption, they will fail. However, if the person seeks asylum because they fear returning home due to persecution by the police or gangs due to their religion, race, political opinion, etc, they will meet the eligibility requirements. However, the applicant must convince an immigration judge that they are actually in fear due to persecution for those reason.

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

 

[WEATHER53]

You try to portray the bolded part as law but that’s not the quote
The idea that you owe money to a drug dealer or gang member and are therefore elegible for asylum is just another liberal feelings fairy tale

 

[kaz]

Another reason their parents shouldnt take them when they are planning to commit a crime

If you leave you're home because you are in fear for the lives of your family, you should leave your children at home.

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

Democrats don't want everyone here either. Just the poor people who will vote Democrat and take jobs from our poor keeping them voting Democrat. Every illegal alien is two kachings for them

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

Many people have been granted asylum because of religious persecuted, not by government necessary but by the community.
Read the law. the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting of the applicant. It does not have to be government doing the persecuting. The reason for the persuasion is critical, not who is doing it. For example, if a person seeks asylum because they fear gang violence or police corruption, they will fail. However, if the person seeks asylum because they fear returning home due to persecution by the police or gangs due to their religion, race, political opinion, etc, they will meet the eligibility requirements. However, the applicant must convince an immigration judge that they are actually in fear due to persecution for those reason.

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

Wrong. If you are being persecuted for any of the stated reasons outside of government, you simply move to a part of your country where that doesn't take place. The only people that can persecute you everywhere within that country is the government itself, or a group of fighters that took over your government and proclaimed the territory for themselves.

 

[kaz]

If you leave you're home because you are in fear for the lives of your family, you should leave your children at home.

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

If Democrats actually cared as much as they claim, they'd want to do more to help people in the countries they claim are shitholes. They want to do shit for them other than the ones who want to come here. And they only care about them because it's all about votes. Someone they help in El Salvador who stays in El Salvador isn't going to vote Democrat

 

[WEATHER53]

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

It doesn't qualify. Asylum is meant to be for protection against governments--not gangs or bad guys. Americans go to Mexico for vacations. It's not a a totally oppressive country. Much like America, there are safer places to go than others.

Many people have been granted asylum because of religious persecuted, not by government necessary but by the community.
Read the law. the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting of the applicant. It does not have to be government doing the persecuting. The reason for the persuasion is critical, not who is doing it. For example, if a person seeks asylum because they fear gang violence or police corruption, they will fail. However, if the person seeks asylum because they fear returning home due to persecution by the police or gangs due to their religion, race, political opinion, etc, they will meet the eligibility requirements. However, the applicant must convince an immigration judge that they are actually in fear due to persecution for those reason.

8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

Wrong. If you are being persecuted for any of the stated reasons outside of government, you simply move to a part of your country where that doesn't take place. The only people that can persecute you everywhere within that country is the government itself, or a group of fighters that took over your government and proclaimed the territory for themselves.

They want asylum from facing facts and government payments for their fractured feelings

 

[Cecilie1200]

If you leave you're home because you are in fear for the lives of your family, you should leave your children at home.

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

Democrats don't want everyone here either. Just the poor people who will vote Democrat and take jobs from our poor keeping them voting Democrat. Every illegal alien is two kachings for them

And I just don't want leftists.

 

[MisterBeale]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

 

[MisterBeale]

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

If Democrats actually cared as much as they claim, they'd want to do more to help people in the countries they claim are shitholes. They want to do shit for them other than the ones who want to come here. And they only care about them because it's all about votes. Someone they help in El Salvador who stays in El Salvador isn't going to vote Democrat

Actually, in fact, quite the reverse is true in some cases.

Hillary actually helped cause the problem.

How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration
How US Policy in Honduras Set the Stage for Today’s Mass Migration

"Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in particular, sent conflicting messages, and worked to ensure that Zelaya did not return to power. This was contrary to the wishes of the Organization of American States, the leading hemispheric political forum composed of the 35 member-countries of the Americas, including the Caribbean. Several months after the coup, Clinton supported a highly questionable election aimed at legitimating the post-coup government.


Strong military ties between the U.S. and Honduras persist: several hundred U.S. troops are stationed at Soto Cano Air Base (formerly Palmerola) in the name of fighting the drug war and providing humanitarian aid.


Since the coup, writes historian Dana Frank, “a series of corrupt administrations has unleashed open criminal control of Honduras, from top to bottom of the government.”


Organized crime, drug traffickers and the country’s police heavily overlap. Impunity reigns in a country with frequent politically-motivated killings. It is the world’s most dangerous country for environmental activists, according to Global Witness, an international nongovernmental organization.


Although its once sky-high murder rate has declined, the continuing exodus of many youth demonstrates that violent gangs still plague urban neighborhoods."

 

[HappyJoy]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

 

[kaz]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

 

[HappyJoy]

Yes, this is terrible. I think I know of a solution though: If you have children, STF away from our borders.

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

Actually, no.

 

[Slyhunter]

No, the GOP knew we were sending a message by nominating Trump. If they dared to cross us, it would have been the end of the Republican party and they knew it.

The GOP is a dead party walking... You see, you had an opportunity to change with the demographics... but you went full on racist...

As I pointed out illiterate resume maker, that was not my opinion. When the subject came out a few years back, I did some research on it. What they did was find employers accused of paying women less, and they asked these employers why that was. I only wrote what some of the findings were.

Oh, fifty First dates, you said it with an approving tone... that it was horrible that these women got pay protections.

President Trump is not a nut. You are Joe Blow. Trump outwitted and outdid a field of Republicans and some democrats. And-there is no Russia collusion!

Most Republicans voted against him in the primaries, and most Americans voted against him in the General. The system FAILED, and now we have a Nazi Nut in the White House.

Don't worry, when the economy crashes next year, you guys will be disowning Trump faster than you disowned poor Baby Bush, who was actually a decent human being.

#walkaway.

 

[kaz]

Then it clearly is not so terrible to you. It's a human cost you find WORTH IT.

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

Actually, no.

You worked on that reply for hours, didn't you?

 

[HappyJoy]

They don't see them as human.

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

Actually, no.

You worked on that reply for hours, didn't you?

Actually, no.

 

[kaz]

So you are saying that if we see all the criminals that are in prison right now that have children as "human," we should just release them?

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Is that a new legal defense?

"Oh look your honor, this person might have robbed this convenience store, but they have a son and a daughter, they are human, therefor, they must be set free. Clearly, they just needed the money for their family and they can't be separated from their babies."


Grow up.

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

Actually, no.

You worked on that reply for hours, didn't you?

Actually, no.

What's it like being stupid? I guess you don't know how to answer the question since you know no other way

 

[HappyJoy]

No, I'm saying many on the right don't see immigrants as human and therefore don't weigh the human cost of incarcerating children separate from their families. Simple enough for you?

Yeah, wow not my argument at all, freak.

You meant is that simpleton enough for him. You're welcome

Actually, no.

You worked on that reply for hours, didn't you?

Actually, no.

What's it like being stupid? I guess you don't know how to answer the question since you know no other way

If I didn't know any better I'd say you're trolling.

 

[danielpalos]

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

If Democrats actually cared as much as they claim, they'd want to do more to help people in the countries they claim are shitholes. They want to do shit for them other than the ones who want to come here. And they only care about them because it's all about votes. Someone they help in El Salvador who stays in El Salvador isn't going to vote Democrat

all the right wing wants to do is make a profit out of our use of weapons of micro and mass destruction.

and,

then complain about refugees.

 

[AZGAL]

from Senator Ted Cruz page

Office / News
Breitbart: Cruz Calls Out DHS: Unaccompanied Minor Crisis the Result of Amnesty

Wednesday at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) confronted Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson about the increase of unaccompanied minors illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by calling it a "direct consequence" of President Barack Obama's executive version of the DREAM Act.

Cruz said “In 2011, there were roughly 7,000 unaccompanied minors who were apprehended, In 2012, that number rose to 14,000. In 2013, it rose to 24,000. And, in 2014, your agency is estimating it is going to be as high as 90,000. In 2015, the administration is estimating that it will rise all the way to 145,000.”

“It’s important to understand what those numbers represent. These numbers represent children, Little boys and little girls, their parents are handing them over not to some noble social worker trying to help them. They are handing them over to international, global criminal cartels that smuggle human beings in. They put kids, among other places, on top of fast-moving freight trains. They are criminals who assault, sexually assault, and sometimes murder these children. These are little girls that are sometimes being sold into prostitution and sex slavery.”

 

[MaryL]

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

If Democrats actually cared as much as they claim, they'd want to do more to help people in the countries they claim are shitholes. They want to do shit for them other than the ones who want to come here. And they only care about them because it's all about votes. Someone they help in El Salvador who stays in El Salvador isn't going to vote Democrat

all the right wing wants to do is make a profit out of our use of weapons of micro and mass destruction.

and,

then complain about refugees.

So what about people that aren't affiliated to any political party? Those poor wretched poor American trash that that seem to fall through the cracks. In fact, I can't count the number of times poor jobless Americans are mocked and disparaged. By these same liberals can't stand to hear illegals disparaged and mocked. American poor are trash, Mexican poor are mucho grande! Rich white elitist liberals or rich white elitist conservatives, liberals pander to illegals to the detriment of American poor, conservatives hire illegals and then bash illegals. The American politician's saint would be JANUS, the two faced god.