What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[danielpalos]

I live with illegal aliens from MEXICO. I have no Idea what the numbers are. 27 million. It's staggering the numbers. And Mexicans have this pride in la raza and Mexico and their "culture" and they will NOT acclimate. out of pride. Anyone else we would call that arrogance and cultural imperialism. Mexicans seem to see themselves as a gift to mankind. Above question . Why act like Mexicans above the law? Nobody, not even poor Mexicans with kids, NOBODY is above ANY law.

What do you mean Mexicans won't assimilate. They have been assimilating in American culture for hundreds of years. Undocumented immigrants general do not assimilate, regardless of nationality because they lack documentation and are here illegally.

All foreign nationals in the US should have a federal id. It could be renewable annually and function as a visa as well. A simple fee or fine could make it happen.

Applied Capitalism won't do for the right wing. Socialism on national basis is the Only thing for them.

 

[JoeB131]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

 

[danielpalos]

conservatives hire illegals and then bash illegals

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

The right wing has no solutions.

The left would like all foreign nationals in the US to have a federal id., so we know which government to bill.

 

[JoeB131]

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

Yes, that's why they hired these guys... they knew that someone else would take the blame.

"I'm shocked, absolutely shocked that these day laborers aren't legal immigrants."

 

[danielpalos]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

Even States are Constitutionally barred from impairing in the Obligation of Contracts.

Employment contracts are contracts.

 

[danielpalos]

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

Yes, that's why they hired these guys... they knew that someone else would take the blame.

"I'm shocked, absolutely shocked that these day laborers aren't legal immigrants."

That's right. Entry into the Union is a federal Obligation since 1808.

 

[kaz]

The black and white left. Either we support unlimited legal immigration or no immigration at all. This is just a product of your stupidity.

If people can prove they can support themselves and we can verify they aren't criminals or bringing diseases, let them come in. Legally. Through the front door. If they climb through the unlocked kitchen window, treat them as the criminals they are

again, someone offered them a job to come up here, so they were "invited".

And given the fact your Fuhrer has the ICE Stormtroopers going after legal immigrants who've been here for years, like the man who had been here for 30 years who was arrested when he was mowing his lawn, your protestations are a little meaningless.

So American citizens can invite people to ignore what is an actual Constitutional power of the Federal government? Did you seriously just argue that, Joe? You're truly an idiot. Then again you followed that up by proving you're an idiot again by going back to Nazis.

After you learn to read and speak English, put those skills to good use and pick up a history book

 

[kaz]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

OK, and? You know two, therefore ...

 

[kaz]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

I wonder how Joe knew they weren't here legally. Probably they had a Mexican accent and he was using his bigotry

 

[danielpalos]

The black and white left. Either we support unlimited legal immigration or no immigration at all. This is just a product of your stupidity.

If people can prove they can support themselves and we can verify they aren't criminals or bringing diseases, let them come in. Legally. Through the front door. If they climb through the unlocked kitchen window, treat them as the criminals they are

again, someone offered them a job to come up here, so they were "invited".

And given the fact your Fuhrer has the ICE Stormtroopers going after legal immigrants who've been here for years, like the man who had been here for 30 years who was arrested when he was mowing his lawn, your protestations are a little meaningless.

So American citizens can invite people to ignore what is an actual Constitutional power of the Federal government? Did you seriously just argue that, Joe? You're truly an idiot. Then again you followed that up by proving you're an idiot again by going back to Nazis.

After you learn to read and speak English, put those skills to good use and pick up a history book

they aren't immigrants if they don't apply for citizenship or permanent residence. tourists.

 

[Manonthestreet]

National Manhunt Underway for Three Illegal Aliens Accused of Raping Teens in Ohio

 

[kaz]

I have as much right to seek asylum in a 12 million dollar Potomac mansion as these law breakers
Asylum is to protect you from imminent death or harm due to a tyrannical government. Coming to the USA for better income opportunity is not compatible with “seeking asylum”

Asylum is granted to foreigners who's government presents a serious threat to them or their family. Asylum is shelter from such a tyrannical government. Once they stepped foot in Mexico, they were safe from their government. There is no reason to grant them asylum here.

Partially correct.
An asylum seeker must prove that he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of five grounds:

• Race.
• Religion.
• Nationality.
• Membership in a particular social group such as LGBTQ
• Political opinion

Mexico does not offer asylum, 180 days residence and you have to leave. Since the main reason these people are asking for asylum is fear of the gangs and cartels which exist in Mexico.

So illegal aliens follow Mexican law. I got you, they would never stay in a country beyond when they are allowed to stay ...

Idiot

And obviously you don't care about these tyrannical shithole countries or the people in them since you don't want to do anything for any of them other than the ones who are helping you by coming here and voting for Democrats.

When you care enough to help them when you don't benefit, then you may start having a point

 

[JoeB131]

So American citizens can invite people to ignore what is an actual Constitutional power of the Federal government? Did you seriously just argue that, Joe? You're truly an idiot. Then again you followed that up by proving you're an idiot again by going back to Nazis.

Guy, when they bust the guy who hires a bunch of day laborers outside the Home Depot, then I'll take this seriously.

Reality.. there's always been a need for undocumented labor to grease the wheels...

And Americans ignore the law all the time.

 

[JoeB131]

OK, and? You know two, therefore ...

Never met a liberal business owner who did this kind of shit.

 

[danielpalos]

National Manhunt Underway for Three Illegal Aliens Accused of Raping Teens in Ohio

First degrees should go first!

 

[kaz]

OK, and? You know two, therefore ...

Never met a liberal business owner who did this kind of shit.

You've met two. What you committed is called a hasty generalization fallacy.

I've known a lot of business owners, I've been one several times. Leftists running their businesses don't practice any of the policies you idiots preach in politics. That's why leftism is a failure. It's based on a lie that you won't do yourselves

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Most conservatives don't hire illegals and the businesses who hire illegals are not just run by conservatives. Most conservatives think they should be fined or jailed. This just isn't accurate

Really?

I've worked at two companies that knew damned well that the "day laborers" the temp company sent over weren't here legally. And both cases,the bosses were right wing assholes.

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

I wonder how Joe knew they weren't here legally. Probably they had a Mexican accent and he was using his bigotry

Or maybe his supervisor told him since they (somehow) knew they were illegals as well.

 

[danielpalos]

OK, and? You know two, therefore ...

Never met a liberal business owner who did this kind of shit.

You've met two. What you committed is called a hasty generalization fallacy.

I've known a lot of business owners, I've been one several times. Leftists running their businesses don't practice any of the policies you idiots preach in politics. That's why leftism is a failure. It's based on a lie that you won't do yourselves

lol. dear, the Right Wing has Nothing but fallacy and repeal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Temp agencies are supposed to check out their own workers--not their customers.

Yes, that's why they hired these guys... they knew that someone else would take the blame.

"I'm shocked, absolutely shocked that these day laborers aren't legal immigrants."

It doesn't work like that Joe. When industry needs temporary workers, they don't hire labor themselves. Otherwise they would be on the hook for unemployment benefits when the work was completed. They call a temp agency who handles all of that. The Temp agency takes the application, checks them out, hires them, sends them to the job sites, and makes out their paycheck. The company that hired the agency doesn't do any of that, nor do they care where the workers are from, just as long as they get the work done.