What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, it isn't. You guys haven't won a national popular vote since 1988 without scaring the shit out of people. You use Gerrymandering and voter suppression and all sorts of other stuff, and you STILL have to get the Russians to rig elections for you.

The Democrats love people like you. Just feed people like you a load of BS and you'll believe anything. You are too blind to understand that the Democrats need to keep telling you that liberals are the future, it's just that Republicans always find a way to cheat somehow, even in Democrat owned states and districts.

Of course this has been going on for about 30 years or more. So when DumBama won, it was told by the left Democrats fixed all the problems that allowed us to cheat the elections, and you probably believed that too.

But I guess that's okay because you and your ilk would be suicidal if you ever learned the truth which is conservatism is far from dead. It's spreading because conservatism is pragmatic and not theatrical like you are used to with your party.

again, the Rich have used useful idiots like you throughout history... 150 years ago it was the Irish, 100 years ago the Germans and 50 years ago the Poles... and you really couldn't keep them out.

Because the Rich who get you all upset and looking for scapegoats are the ones who invited them in to take the jobs you think are beneath you.

The rich can't hire people that are not here. They must hire people who are here. The rich are the angels compared to your filthy power hungry Democrat party that's selling out our country. But that's how brainwashing works with weak minds "Rich people are bad, illegals are good" and they keep repeating it over and over again turning you into zombies one by one. You can't explain or debate it, only repeat what you are programmed to repeat.

 

[JoeB131]

The Democrats love people like you. Just feed people like you a load of BS and you'll believe anything. You are too blind to understand that the Democrats need to keep telling you that liberals are the future, it's just that Republicans always find a way to cheat somehow, even in Democrat owned states and districts.

Quite the contrary, you guys keep pushing for laws to make it harder for people of color to vote and have done so since the 1960's...

Yet every year, you guys get less and less and the capitalists take more and more, and you keep voting or more of that shit.

Of course this has been going on for about 30 years or more. So when DumBama won, it was told by the left Democrats fixed all the problems that allowed us to cheat the elections, and you probably believed that too.

Oh, I don't believe that for a minute. The only reason why Obama won was because Bush fucked up everything so badly that all the cheating in the world couldn't save the GOP in 2008, but you guys went right back to the same nonsense.

But I guess that's okay because you and your ilk would be suicidal if you ever learned the truth which is conservatism is far from dead. It's spreading because conservatism is pragmatic and not theatrical like you are used to with your party.

Actually, conservatism died the minute you guys elected Trump. There is no GOP, there is no Conservative Movement... there is only the "Cult of Trump"... and you are happily drinking the Koolaid as you abandon every principle you ever claimed to have.

The rich can't hire people that are not here. They must hire people who are here. .

This is where you are deluded...

When was the last time you applied for a lettuce picking job? Or a toilet cleaning job? The reason why illegals are here taking these jobs is because white people don't want to do them.

The rich are the angels compared to your filthy power hungry Democrat party that's selling out our country. But that's how brainwashing works with weak minds "Rich people are bad, illegals are good" and they keep repeating it over and over again turning you into zombies one by one. You can't explain or debate it, only repeat what you are programmed to repeat.

Naw, man, brainwashing is how the rich get you to hate people of color who are pretty much in the same boat you are in. when that rich person would burn you in a heartbeat to put an extra zero on a profit check.

Of course, given you haven't learned a new job skill in 30 years, and keep bending over for a boss who cancelled your insurance, that's probably easier for you than taking responsibility for your own life and doing something about it.

 

[Flopper]

But then after 1992, enough minorities and right minded white folks had it with the GOP, and if we actually, you know, let the people pick presidents instead of corporations, they won every presidential election after 1992 despite the rich pouring tons of money into clowns like Bush and Trump.

If money is what wins elections, why isn't Hil-Liar President now? She outspent Trump three to one.

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but the GOP owns the Senate, owns the Congress, owns the White House, and owns 2/3 of the Governorships across the country.

The momentum seems to be on our side--not yours. Why? Because we had a helping of Socialism, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Under Ears, we were fined for not complying with government demands, our children were forced to eat food they didn't want to eat, our daughters in school were in fear that weirdos in dresses would be able to invade their space in bathrooms and showers.

No Thank You said America. We said we want a wall, immigration control, and normal people running the country instead of every kind of new flake the Democrats come up with.

And in spite of owning the House, Senate, Presidency, and most of the governorships, they can't get shit done. After nearly two years of total control of government in Washington, there still is no funds to build the wall, Obamacare hasn't been overturned as promised, most of the people don't approve of the president, there is no middle class tax cut, no immigration bill, no progress on infrastructure spending, no plan to deal with the opioid crisis, a trade war and no new trade agreements, and now the president is planning on shutting down the government.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

But then after 1992, enough minorities and right minded white folks had it with the GOP, and if we actually, you know, let the people pick presidents instead of corporations, they won every presidential election after 1992 despite the rich pouring tons of money into clowns like Bush and Trump.

If money is what wins elections, why isn't Hil-Liar President now? She outspent Trump three to one.

I don't know if you noticed this or not, but the GOP owns the Senate, owns the Congress, owns the White House, and owns 2/3 of the Governorships across the country.

The momentum seems to be on our side--not yours. Why? Because we had a helping of Socialism, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Under Ears, we were fined for not complying with government demands, our children were forced to eat food they didn't want to eat, our daughters in school were in fear that weirdos in dresses would be able to invade their space in bathrooms and showers.

No Thank You said America. We said we want a wall, immigration control, and normal people running the country instead of every kind of new flake the Democrats come up with.

And in spite of owning the House, Senate, Presidency, and most of the governorships, they can't get shit done. After nearly two years of total control of government in Washington, there still is no funds to build the wall, Obamacare hasn't been overturned as promised, most of the people don't approve of the president, there is no middle class tax cut, no immigration bill, no progress on infrastructure spending, no plan to deal with the opioid crisis, a trade war and no new trade agreements, and now the president is planning on shutting down the government.

First in your list of complaints you brought up the wall not being funded then later complain about Trump shutting down the government because of the wall?

I must not be middle-class because I got a tax break and according to my tax preparer, I'm in for a windfall when I file my 2018 returns.

Commie Care will fizzle on it's own now that we are not being forced to payoff the government for not having policies.

And no, you really don't have total control over the government unless you have at least 60 people in your party on the Senate since many times it takes 60 votes to get something passed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Quite the contrary, you guys keep pushing for laws to make it harder for people of color to vote and have done so since the 1960's...

Yet every year, you guys get less and less and the capitalists take more and more, and you keep voting or more of that shit.

Nobody is making it harder to vote for anybody. We all vote by the same standards and rules. Again, it's how brainwashing works. Democrats know damn well their constituency has a lot of lazy welfare people in it, and they won't take the time to get an ID because it would require a little effort. But they can't tell you people that. Instead, make up some race garbage that doesn't make a lick of sense, and you just stare out into space nodding your head up and down.

Oh, I don't believe that for a minute. The only reason why Obama won was because Bush fucked up everything so badly that all the cheating in the world couldn't save the GOP in 2008, but you guys went right back to the same nonsense.

Of course, that must be it.

This is where you are deluded...

When was the last time you applied for a lettuce picking job? Or a toilet cleaning job? The reason why illegals are here taking these jobs is because white people don't want to do them.

White people will do any job for the right money. But you can't pay them three bucks an hour to do that work; you need illegals to pay that low of a wage. That's why they're here.

Naw, man, brainwashing is how the rich get you to hate people of color who are pretty much in the same boat you are in. when that rich person would burn you in a heartbeat to put an extra zero on a profit check.

Of course, given you haven't learned a new job skill in 30 years, and keep bending over for a boss who cancelled your insurance, that's probably easier for you than taking responsibility for your own life and doing something about it.

Yeah, like the responsibility you took getting a qualified psychiatrist to treat your mental disorders?

 

[Coyote]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

 

[danielpalos]

...we should be Making money not Losing money. Every good capitalists knows this. Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

 

[JoeB131]

First in your list of complaints you brought up the wall not being funded then later complain about Trump shutting down the government because of the wall?

I must not be middle-class because I got a tax break and according to my tax preparer, I'm in for a windfall when I file my 2018 returns.

Hey, Dummy, wait until you file your forms, and find out that your state income tax and property taxes aren't deductable anymore... that will pretty much eat up any tax break you got during the year.

Commie Care will fizzle on it's own now that we are not being forced to payoff the government for not having policies.

Meh, not really. It just means the useless who are too lazy to buy policies won't be covered. The people who have access will keep getting it, and the insurance companies can't keep cheating people, but we are getting off topic here.

Nobody is making it harder to vote for anybody. We all vote by the same standards and rules. Again, it's how brainwashing works. Democrats know damn well their constituency has a lot of lazy welfare people in it, and they won't take the time to get an ID because it would require a little effort. But they can't tell you people that. Instead, make up some race garbage that doesn't make a lick of sense, and you just stare out into space nodding your head up and down.

I bet you think you need an ID to buy groceries... The reality of ID Laws is that they are meant to suppress minority votes.

Nobody cards white people in these states.

White people will do any job for the right money. But you can't pay them three bucks an hour to do that work; you need illegals to pay that low of a wage. That's why they're here.

Then the simple solution is to impose a living wage of $15.00, no exceptions. Then there would be no impetus to hire illegals, right?

Yeah, like the responsibility you took getting a qualified psychiatrist to treat your mental disorders?

Naw, man, taking responsibility is learning new jobs skills, which is what I've done throughout my career. So I don't have to do the things i did 30 years ago that i'm really not physically capable of at my age today.

 

[protectionist]

I bet you think you need an ID to buy groceries... The reality of ID Laws is that they are meant to suppress minority votes.

So you would oppose having an ID law requiring proof of citizenship ? To keep aliens from voting ? Sure you would. Forget the word "because". We all know your game.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Hey, Dummy, wait until you file your forms, and find out that your state income tax and property taxes aren't deductable anymore... that will pretty much eat up any tax break you got during the year.

Nope, those restrictions only apply to wealthy people; you know, the people you say we should tax all the time? Well now that we are, you're still complaining like the rest of your leftist friends.

Meh, not really. It just means the useless who are too lazy to buy policies won't be covered. The people who have access will keep getting it, and the insurance companies can't keep cheating people, but we are getting off topic here.

Where do you think Commie Care was getting a good share if it's money from? That's right, young healthy people. Now that they don't have to have insurance, they will drop out if they already haven't and it will become unaffordable to everybody instead of just us working middle-class

I bet you think you need an ID to buy groceries... The reality of ID Laws is that they are meant to suppress minority votes.

Nobody cards white people in these states.

You're so FOS I can smell you all the way here in Cleveland. You need an ID to survive in this country: you need an ID to cash a check, you need an ID to board a plane, you need an ID to rent an apartment or buy a house, you need an ID to purchase tobacco or alcohol products, you need an ID to order a drink at a bar, you need an ID to get a passport to go into Canada. You need an ID for everything.

Instead of being told what to think, why don't you try doing it yourself for a change?

Then the simple solution is to impose a living wage of $15.00, no exceptions. Then there would be no impetus to hire illegals, right?

Where is 15 bucks an hour a living wage? Our founders didn't create the federal government to dictate what companies should pay employees.

Naw, man, taking responsibility is learning new jobs skills, which is what I've done throughout my career. So I don't have to do the things i did 30 years ago that i'm really not physically capable of at my age today.

Yeah, you've learned so many job skills you sit home and write resumes. I like what I do for a living. I like working outside weather conditions be damned. If that big-eared commie clown didn't ruin things for me and millions of other Americans, my job would still be great. If his commie followers didn't have so many surrender-first whites in the party, we wouldn't have foreigners taking our jobs and that would increase our pay scale.

 

[JoeB131]

So you would oppose having an ID law requiring proof of citizenship ? To keep aliens from voting ? Sure you would. Forget the word "because". We all know your game.

I'd have no problem with a National ID system, compete with biometrics.

It's the right that keeps opposing a national ID system. For reasons.

Voter ID isn't about that. It's about making it harder for people of color who are entitled to vote to do so.

 

[JoeB131]

Nope, those restrictions only apply to wealthy people; you know, the people you say we should tax all the time? Well now that we are, you're still complaining like the rest of your leftist friends.

No, they actually don't. The State Income and Property Tax is no longer deductable on schedule A of the tax form for those us who itemize. My tax guy says he is no longer going to even bother filling out schedule A for most of his clients because they won't qualify anymore.

Where do you think Commie Care was getting a good share if it's money from? That's right, young healthy people. Now that they don't have to have insurance, they will drop out if they already haven't and it will become unaffordable to everybody instead of just us working middle-class

That sounds like a good argument Medicare for All... but you'd never go for that.

Where is 15 bucks an hour a living wage? Our founders didn't create the federal government to dictate what companies should pay employees.

Then don't whine when companies hire undocumented workers to do the shit jobs that don't pay anything. See how that works, buddy?

either you want the government to umpire the game or you don't.

Yeah, you've learned so many job skills you sit home and write resumes.

Yup... And my knowledge of industries allows me to write them effectively, that's the point. The fact I was able to launch a successful business from nothing says a lot... a business i only started because after Bush fucked up the economy, I had to work my way out of the hole he dug us all into.

I like what I do for a living.

I'm sure you do... but a young kid can do it better for less, that's the point.

If that big-eared commie clown didn't ruin things for me and millions of other Americans, my job would still be great.

Um, yeah, the fact you work for a bottom feeder company that can't offer health insurance says a lot right there.

If his commie followers didn't have so many surrender-first whites in the party, we wouldn't have foreigners taking our jobs and that would increase our pay scale.

Guy, the fact is, your job requires no skills, so no, someone else would take your job in a heartbeat... that's the thing. Most of them will take it for just a little while while they study to do something else.

 

[Flopper]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

 

[Kondor3]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

It doesn't make any difference.

Our country.

Our rules.

We can set whatever immigration policy we like.

Given that we are now a nation of 330,000,0000...

The era of large-scale immigration to America has come to an end, as must all good things...

From now-on, we're going to be a lot pickier about whom we let in...

Fun-time's over.

 

[Flopper]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

It doesn't make any difference.

Our country.

Our rules.

We can set whatever immigration policy we like.

Given that we are now a nation of 330,000,0000...

The era of large-scale immigration to America has come to an end, as must all good things...

From now-on, we're going to be a lot pickier about whom we let in...

Fun-time's over.

That seems very unlikely with the number vacant jobs, now about 6 million estimated to grow to 36 million by 2024. The only way to get those people is through immigration. If we don't we're going see a lot of business moving oversea.

What we need to do is change some of the criteria we use in selecting who get's admitted. For starters, family in the US should not be a guarantee of a work permit, but only a consideration as it is Canada. America immigration is seen abroad as, we don't need you, we don't want you, so don't come. We need to actively encourage professional workers in Science, Math, Engineering, and Healthcare to come to the US. We need to keep the 1 million person/yr quota but we need to issue more temporary work permits and less permanent work permits. We should allow changing temporary permits for permanent permits after 5 years of satisfactory work history.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

America immigration is seen abroad as, we don't need you, we don't want you, so don't come.

About time. Think they'd get the hint already.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

 

[Coyote]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

There is no evidence they do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, they actually don't. The State Income and Property Tax is no longer deductable on schedule A of the tax form for those us who itemize. My tax guy says he is no longer going to even bother filling out schedule A for most of his clients because they won't qualify anymore.

Property and state taxes exceeding $10,000. However if you are paying let's say $13,000, you can still write-off the first $10,000, so it's not that big of a deal. Secondly, mortgage write-offs are for homes purchased or valued at over 800K. Again, if you are paying for a home that's worth more, you can still write-off the interest that applies to the first 800K.

That sounds like a good argument Medicare for All... but you'd never go for that.

It was estimated that Medicare for all (Sander's plan) would cost 32 trillion for ten years. That's 3.2 trillion per year, and our current budget is a little over 4 trillion and we are still running a deficit. So what you're talking about is doubling our deficit, so of course I would never go for that. Plus it gives government the right to control our lives: what we eat, how much we weigh, what kind of medical treatment we are allowed to receive, what kind of medication we are allowed to take, what kind of body fat we are allowed to have, just a litany of things we don't need government controlling.

Then don't whine when companies hire undocumented workers to do the shit jobs that don't pay anything. See how that works, buddy?

either you want the government to umpire the game or you don't.

I want governement to do the job our founders created for it which is to protect Americans. Stopping scum buckets from entering our country to take our jobs and lower our pay is protecting our country. Telling employers what they must pay their workers is not the job of the federal government.

I'm sure you do... but a young kid can do it better for less, that's the point.

And what are you going to do when they start doing the same to you? Any idiot can learn how to write a resume by watching a few YouTube videos.

Um, yeah, the fact you work for a bottom feeder company that can't offer health insurance says a lot right there.

So does not getting psychiatric help for serious mental problems.