What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

There is no evidence they do.

Absolutely none:

Insourcing: American Lose Jobs to H-1B Visa Workers | HuffPost

 

[dblack]

They main thing is, we have to stop the invasion. They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on mowing our lawns and picking our fruit for cheap. We need a wall that we can cower behind.

 

[Flopper]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

So tell me, how many times since you were alive have you seen a booming economy for over several years? This boom may last another two months, two years, who knows?

So many things can put a damper on our economy. A major terrorist attack similar to 911. A breakout of war with another country. A communications attack on the US via computers. A bankruptcy by a major bank or company like Verizon.

Any good economy is fragile to negative news. We don't know how many workers we will need next year yet alone in six years. It's just a cheap excuse to try and change the minds of anti-invasion Americans.

 

[Flopper]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

 

[Flopper]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

So tell me, how many times since you were alive have you seen a booming economy for over several years? This boom may last another two months, two years, who knows?

So many things can put a damper on our economy. A major terrorist attack similar to 911. A breakout of war with another country. A communications attack on the US via computers. A bankruptcy by a major bank or company like Verizon.

Any good economy is fragile to negative news. We don't know how many workers we will need next year yet alone in six years. It's just a cheap excuse to try and change the minds of anti-invasion Americans.

The longest economic expansion I have seen was
Mar 1991–Mar 2001 - 120 months.
We are currently 108 months into the current expansion. The slow recovery indicates it may well have a serveral years of expansion.

Even if the economy is interrupted by a recession which the average length is about 14 months, there is every reason to expect the 24 million figure will be reached because we are going to get 18 million job openings from boomer retirements even it there is no growth. If current job growth continues at the current level, we would have 13 million jobs from growth. No matter how you cut it the probability is pretty high that we will have far more jobs than we can possibly fill.

Keep in mind the immigration quotas are targets, the president can lower those numbers if needed.

 

[BrokeLoser]

They main thing is, we have to stop the invasion. They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on mowing our lawns and picking our fruit for cheap. We need a wall that we can cower behind.

Or is it....
They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on looting taxpayers, dropping dependent, criminal anchor babies and destroying EVERY community the descend upon.

 

[dblack]

They main thing is, we have to stop the invasion. They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on mowing our lawns and picking our fruit for cheap. We need a wall that we can cower behind.

Or is it....
They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on looting taxpayers, dropping dependent, criminal anchor babies and destroying EVERY community the descend upon.

Yeah. Those are the bullet points on the recruitment pamphlets. They come over here and work shitty jobs to destroy America. They're tricky devils. You think they're just mowing your lawn for twenty bucks. In reality, they're the forward ranks of the alien invasion.

Plus, they want our women!

 

[BrokeLoser]

They main thing is, we have to stop the invasion. They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on mowing our lawns and picking our fruit for cheap. We need a wall that we can cower behind.

Or is it....
They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on looting taxpayers, dropping dependent, criminal anchor babies and destroying EVERY community the descend upon.

Yeah. Those are the bullet points on the recruitment pamphlets. They come over here and work shitty jobs to destroy America. They're tricky devils. You think they're just mowing your lawn for twenty bucks. In reality, they're the forward ranks of the alien invasion.

Plus, they want our women!

No, no, no...they come here to work shitty jobs knowing full well they can’t make it without the anchors linking them to the welfare dollars they need. They destroy American communities because they have litters of children, they throw shitty diapers and Modello cans on our roadways and beaches...that’s the shit shameless, indecent, low iQ thirdworlders do...ever been to Mexico? I’m betting you were born there?
Further, I don’t know a single REAL American woman who’s into broke, 5’ tall, 110lb silver tooth’s whom smell like a cross between ass and Bud Light

 

[dblack]

They main thing is, we have to stop the invasion. They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on mowing our lawns and picking our fruit for cheap. We need a wall that we can cower behind.

Or is it....
They are crossing the borders in hordes, hell bent on looting taxpayers, dropping dependent, criminal anchor babies and destroying EVERY community the descend upon.

Yeah. Those are the bullet points on the recruitment pamphlets. They come over here and work shitty jobs to destroy America. They're tricky devils. You think they're just mowing your lawn for twenty bucks. In reality, they're the forward ranks of the alien invasion.

Plus, they want our women!

No, no, no...they come here to work shitty jobs knowing full well they can’t make it without the anchors linking them to the welfare dollars they need. They destroy American communities because they have litters of children, they throw shitty diapers and Modello cans on our roadways and beaches...that’s the shit shameless, indecent, low iQ thirdworlders do...ever been to Mexico? I’m betting you were born there?
Further, I don’t know a single REAL American woman who’s into broke, 5’ tall, 110lb silver tooth’s whom smell like a cross between ass and Bud Light

True that. REAL women go for insecure bigots.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't make any difference.

Our country.

Our rules.

We can set whatever immigration policy we like.

Given that we are now a nation of 330,000,0000...

The era of large-scale immigration to America has come to an end, as must all good things...

From now-on, we're going to be a lot pickier about whom we let in...

Fun-time's over.

Okay, you keep telling that to yourself...


Maybe you should tell it to the rich white people who keep hiring undocumented workers because you white trash types are too lazy and want too much money.

 

[JoeB131]

Property and state taxes exceeding $10,000. However if you are paying let's say $13,000, you can still write-off the first $10,000, so it's not that big of a deal. Secondly, mortgage write-offs are for homes purchased or valued at over 800K. Again, if you are paying for a home that's worth more, you can still write-off the interest that applies to the first 800K.

Again, you might as well take the standard deduction, then...

But keep pretending Trump didn't screw working people to help the rich. I know you really need to believe that.

It was estimated that Medicare for all (Sander's plan) would cost 32 trillion for ten years. That's 3.2 trillion per year, and our current budget is a little over 4 trillion and we are still running a deficit.

Okay... We currently spend 19% of GDP on health care. Our GDP is 20 Trillion. So we are currently spending about 4 Trillion on health care. We just saved 0.8 Trillion. Of course, it means poor people will get the same access to health care you get, so I'm sure that horrifies you.

I want governement to do the job our founders created for it which is to protect Americans. Stopping scum buckets from entering our country to take our jobs and lower our pay is protecting our country. Telling employers what they must pay their workers is not the job of the federal government.

The Founders didn't want to keep people out. They totally wanted more people to come in for the rich to exploit. In fact, our whole history is based on exploiting immigrant labor. (This has been cleverly hidden from you in things called "books".)

And what are you going to do when they start doing the same to you? Any idiot can learn how to write a resume by watching a few YouTube videos.

Yeah, given what I see on a daily basis, that's not going to happen any time soon. If anything, what I see is that these colleges put out kids and they usually have no idea how to write well.

I mean, I can find a video that will show me how to play the guitar, but I'm not going to become David Gilmour or Eric Clapton. And a video isn't going to teach a kid how to become me.

But driving in a straight line, anyone can figure that one out.

So does not getting psychiatric help for serious mental problems.

It's not a serious problem to point out that most of you dumb white people who keep voting Republican and keep getting screwed by the One percenters is really kind of dumb.

 

[protectionist]

I'd have no problem with a National ID system, compete with biometrics.

It's the right that keeps opposing a national ID system. For reasons.

Voter ID isn't about that. It's about making it harder for people of color who are entitled to vote to do so.

That's what your lefty media tells you. And like a good leftist soldier, you repeat it to us. Ho hum. Now for the reality. Its the lefy that keeps opposing all voter ID. (not just the citizenship part)

And a "National ID system, compete with biometrics" wasn't the question. So once again >> Would you oppose having an ID law requiring proof of citizenship ? To keep aliens from voting ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

So tell me, how many times since you were alive have you seen a booming economy for over several years? This boom may last another two months, two years, who knows?

So many things can put a damper on our economy. A major terrorist attack similar to 911. A breakout of war with another country. A communications attack on the US via computers. A bankruptcy by a major bank or company like Verizon.

Any good economy is fragile to negative news. We don't know how many workers we will need next year yet alone in six years. It's just a cheap excuse to try and change the minds of anti-invasion Americans.

The longest economic expansion I have seen was
Mar 1991–Mar 2001 - 120 months.
We are currently 108 months into the current expansion. The slow recovery indicates it may well have a serveral years of expansion.

Even if the economy is interrupted by a recession which the average length is about 14 months, there is every reason to expect the 24 million figure will be reached because we are going to get 18 million job openings from boomer retirements even it there is no growth. If current job growth continues at the current level, we would have 13 million jobs from growth. No matter how you cut it the probability is pretty high that we will have far more jobs than we can possibly fill.

Keep in mind the immigration quotas are targets, the president can lower those numbers if needed.

No, I said booming economy, not steady or interrupted by a recession.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

You all can stop pretending Trump is only against illegal immigration. Fuck him and his greedy, corrupt, elitist administration.

Proposed Trump rule change could put millions of legal immigrants at risk of deportation

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

A key part of the Affordable Care Act is Medicaid expansion for those with low incomes.1 A new analysis of government data by the Center for Immigration Studies shows that immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under age 18) have been among the primary beneficiaries of Medicaid growth.2 The data show that immigrants and their children accounted for 42 percent of the growth in Medicaid enrollment from 2011 to 2013. Immigrants benefited more from Medicaid expansion than natives because a much larger share of immigrants are poor and uninsured. It seems almost certain that immigrants and their children will continue to benefit disproportionately from Obamacare, as they remain much more likely than natives to be uninsured or poor.3 The available evidence indicates that Medicaid growth associated with immigrants is largely among those legally in the country.

Immigrant Families Benefit Significantly from Obamacare

So these people come here with no education, nothing to offer the US, and end up on are already exhausted social programs. You're mad because Trump is trying to do something about it?

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

We haven’t had this good of an economy in a long time. Unlike last good economies, it’s not built on a bubble like tech or housing. Yes, our labor participation rate increased a little, but not nearly enough. So maybe instead of looking to bring in people that will destroy this country, look at our social programs that are keeping people from taking these jobs. That’s where the problem is.


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[Flopper]

You're guessing again.
In 2016, 30 percent (11.5 million) of the 38.2 million immigrants ages 25 and older had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 32 percent of U.S.-born adults. Notably, the share of college-educated immigrants was much higher—47 percent—among those who entered the country in the previous five years (between 2012 and 2016).

And when we look at professions that have been judged critical to the future of the nation, we find 23% of our math and engineer workers are foreign born, 39% of all software engineers 25% of all computer systems analysis, 23% of our physical scientists, and 16% of our health care professionals are all foreign born over twice what it was 25 years ago.
Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

Foreign-born STEM Workers in the United States

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

So tell me, how many times since you were alive have you seen a booming economy for over several years? This boom may last another two months, two years, who knows?

So many things can put a damper on our economy. A major terrorist attack similar to 911. A breakout of war with another country. A communications attack on the US via computers. A bankruptcy by a major bank or company like Verizon.

Any good economy is fragile to negative news. We don't know how many workers we will need next year yet alone in six years. It's just a cheap excuse to try and change the minds of anti-invasion Americans.

The longest economic expansion I have seen was
Mar 1991–Mar 2001 - 120 months.
We are currently 108 months into the current expansion. The slow recovery indicates it may well have a serveral years of expansion.

Even if the economy is interrupted by a recession which the average length is about 14 months, there is every reason to expect the 24 million figure will be reached because we are going to get 18 million job openings from boomer retirements even it there is no growth. If current job growth continues at the current level, we would have 13 million jobs from growth. No matter how you cut it the probability is pretty high that we will have far more jobs than we can possibly fill.

Keep in mind the immigration quotas are targets, the president can lower those numbers if needed.

No, I said booming economy, not steady or interrupted by a recession.


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Economically, the 1990's were not only the longest period of economic expansions in history but one the strongest with steady job creation averaging 250,000/mo, low inflation, rising productivity, and a surging stock market.

 

[Indeependent]

So what? All this tells me is that foreigners are coming here to lower the wages of professionals as well. That's supposed to be encouraging?

Between now and 2024 we would have a maximum of 6 million additional workers to fill 24 million new jobs. With the labor shortage, there should be no worry about lower wages. What workers in the US should be worried about is the lack of critical skill workers sending businesses and all their jobs overseas.

So tell me, how many times since you were alive have you seen a booming economy for over several years? This boom may last another two months, two years, who knows?

So many things can put a damper on our economy. A major terrorist attack similar to 911. A breakout of war with another country. A communications attack on the US via computers. A bankruptcy by a major bank or company like Verizon.

Any good economy is fragile to negative news. We don't know how many workers we will need next year yet alone in six years. It's just a cheap excuse to try and change the minds of anti-invasion Americans.

The longest economic expansion I have seen was
Mar 1991–Mar 2001 - 120 months.
We are currently 108 months into the current expansion. The slow recovery indicates it may well have a serveral years of expansion.

Even if the economy is interrupted by a recession which the average length is about 14 months, there is every reason to expect the 24 million figure will be reached because we are going to get 18 million job openings from boomer retirements even it there is no growth. If current job growth continues at the current level, we would have 13 million jobs from growth. No matter how you cut it the probability is pretty high that we will have far more jobs than we can possibly fill.

Keep in mind the immigration quotas are targets, the president can lower those numbers if needed.

No, I said booming economy, not steady or interrupted by a recession.


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Economically, the 1990's were not only the longest period of economic expansions in history but one the strongest with steady job creation averaging 250,000/mo, low inflation, rising productivity, and a surging stock market.

Are you retarded?

 

[AZGAL]

The citizens of the United States are just recently waking up to the terrible cost of illegal immigration as it destroys the citizens children and families, earnings, safety, culture, well being and future.

 

[Indeependent]

The citizens of the United States are just recently waking up to the terrible cost of illegal immigration as it destroys the citizens families, earnings, safety, culture, well being and future.

Only Trump could accomplish the awakening.

 

[danielpalos]

The citizens of the United States are just recently waking up to the terrible cost of illegal immigration as it destroys the citizens children and families, earnings, safety, culture, well being and future.

Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policies.