What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[kaz]

Man, sure, that's going to happen really quietly as well, right. Not like we can't just push the ladder over, right?

You obviously do not live down here, Pop. You could walk 50 miles along the Mexican border in Arizona at night and not see a soul. And you are going to push over a rope ladder? Do all of you Trumpetts live in Disneyland?

Who said the wall won’t have lighting and guards?

You living in the Stone Age?

Actually, Pop, if you had the slightest idea what you were talking about, you would not even ask that question. Not only are there no paved roads down there, but no other infrastructure as well. There is no water, gas stations, electricity, or restaurants. more importantly, there are no people, and no places for them to live if there were. The BP in Southern AZ is 85% Latino, because they crossed the border years ago, and nobody else is going to drive all the way down there from Tucson to patrol one of the most inhospitable places in the US.

THEY WILL USE ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE NOT RANDOMLY DRIVE ALONG THE WALL YOU STUPID FUCKING DISHONEST PIECE OF SHIT. WHAT ABOUT THIS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

And you've ignored the obviously idiotic response you gave that you're sending five year olds and pregnant women down a 30 foot rope

Oh, and BTW, they already use electronic surveillance. That is how they discovered over 100 tunnels under Nogales in the last 10 years. They also send down heat seeking drones down the Santa Cruz River bed every night. I like to watch them fly by in patterns of three every night from my patio. It does not discourage them at all. But Trump's WALL! Wow. That will show them!

So you show the failed solution that isn't working and say look, we don't need to replace this failing solution!

You need to think that stupid shit through before you post it.

You want illegal aliens to have access to come here and vote. Be honest for once. You don't want a solution

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

That's a shame, and how many of those are children?

 

[busybee01]

Yes, a legal claim. Charging them as illegals and seperating families is a punative action against those involved in a legal process for no other reason than to dter future applicants. An unnecessarily harsh policy.

FALSE! It is to deport those who have no legal status to be here, and who are lucky if they aren't imprisoned for violating US Code 8, Section 1325.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Separating the children has nothing to do with deportation procedures. The only reason to do such a inhumane and punitive thing is pure evil. This is the act of criminal regimes like Assad in Syria.

 

[Auld Phart]

No Tycho our reverent President is to busy tweeting. In fact, it’s been so noisy I suspect there are birds nesting in his toupe.

Is it safe for me to assume that you’re good with democrats allowing people to be lured into unspeakable circumstances?

She will tolerate anything in the name of tolerance...
Except protection of children. She won't tolerate that.

I think you are a robot. You can only say what you are told.

I think you are a robot. You can only say what you are told.

I get the same impression reading your posts

I am glad to be standing up for humane treatment of children and against the Trumpie criminals like you. What you don't like about me is I think for myself instead of cult members like you.

of course you do

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. This fits.

In other words, you don't know of any law that the Trump admin can be held legally liable for implementing this policy, but you propose that they be held legally liable for what there is no law to hold them legally liable for, right ? Right, BB ? Right ?

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. That is what he should be tried for along with Sessions and others who are implementing this inhumane policy.

What's inhumane about it?

 

[busybee01]

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. This fits.

In other words, you don't know of any law that the Trump admin can be held legally liable for implementing this policy, but you propose that they be held legally liable for what there is no law to hold them legally liable for, right ? Right, BB ? Right ?

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. That is what he should be tried for along with Sessions and others who are implementing this inhumane policy.

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

 

[protectionist]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

Yeah, only the smart "thinking" people help foreigners to come here and take 8 million jobs away from Americans, loot the American economy for $138 Billion/year, and stuff their pockets with tens of Billions$$ of our tax $$$. (not to mention disease, traffic congestion, pollution, scarce resources, added crime, etc Absolutely briiliant. Pheeew!! (high-pitched whistle,

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

They're not illegal because no court has found them guilty of anything. The question is not whether they should stay or not but whether they should be treated humanely and remain with their parents until the court acts.

Since they are essentially jailed until that time, like anyone else who is arrested for a crime, you are suggesting that the children ALSO be jailed, to "remain with their parents".

Like everything you say, it's ludicrous and stupid.

First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained. Immigration does not jail people they detain them. The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything. Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty. The normal procedure is to keep children with their parents. The new procedure is to take the kids away from their parents promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement which of course denies them due process of law. This is an incredibly stupid move on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

I don't think so. I think those are the kinds of policies that got him elected.

Trump was elected because the voters couldn't stand to vote for Clinton. I doubt that there are many Trump voters that approve of treating children like this and using them as political pawns. There is certainly a "basket of deplorables" among Trump voters but not the majority.

According to Pew Research, 80% of all voters say undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay legally and 60% of Trump supporters agree.
Trump voters want to build the wall, but are more divided on other immigration questions

Well much like last presidential election, let's hope Trump once ignores the polls and sticks to reality.

If you want to use Hillary as the excuse why Trump won, fine with me, but that doesn't explain how he beat out twelve other Republican candidates for the nomination. They all pretty much had the same message except for Trump. All the others were pretty passive on immigration except Trump who took an exact opposite stand on the issue.

So I'll stick to believing that many Americans are on my side instead of what the polls say. If it's one thing I've learned about polls the last several years, it's that they are created to try and get people what to think instead of telling us what people think.

 

[protectionist]

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

So what's YOUR plan ?​

 

[Pop23]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

You realize you just answered why the children should be taken from SOB’s that would do that to them, right?

 

[busybee01]

You just wrote about parents forcing their kids to commit crimes being sepearated.
If you aren't talking about charging kids, then what's the purpose of the point?

Again, where is it written THAT A CHILD MUST BE CHARGED TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE PARENT!. If the parent uses a child, which has, by it's very nature, diminished capability, to participate in criminal activity, then IT IS THE PARENT THAT IS CHARGED WITH THE CRIME, and still the two are separated.

Clear enough now?

You suggested that, fool. I just showed you why.
The parent committed the crime by crossing illegally. Whatever you mean by "using a child" or "forcing a kid to shoplift" is irrelevant to that fact. Separation of the family is not mandatory under the law.

You can twist like a pretzel all you want. In the practical application of law enforcement or to that matter our judicial system, involving a child in criminal activity most often results in that child being removed from the parent. PERIOD

Why remove the child at all?
Convict the offender, waive the sentence and deport them immediately.

OK, how about just deterring the crime from happening in the first place? I guess if we extend your logic, then, if 1,000,000 people rob a bank, instead of trying to deter bank robberies by making drastic changes in the law, we just allow bank robbers to flood the system, breaking the system, so more bank robberies can occur.

Cool

That is the most moronic equivalence I have ever heard. Robbing a bank is a violent act. There is nothing violent about someone crossing the border illegally. Unless they run into the ICE bully boys.

 

[Pop23]

Again, where is it written THAT A CHILD MUST BE CHARGED TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE PARENT!. If the parent uses a child, which has, by it's very nature, diminished capability, to participate in criminal activity, then IT IS THE PARENT THAT IS CHARGED WITH THE CRIME, and still the two are separated.

Clear enough now?

You suggested that, fool. I just showed you why.
The parent committed the crime by crossing illegally. Whatever you mean by "using a child" or "forcing a kid to shoplift" is irrelevant to that fact. Separation of the family is not mandatory under the law.

You can twist like a pretzel all you want. In the practical application of law enforcement or to that matter our judicial system, involving a child in criminal activity most often results in that child being removed from the parent. PERIOD

Why remove the child at all?
Convict the offender, waive the sentence and deport them immediately.

OK, how about just deterring the crime from happening in the first place? I guess if we extend your logic, then, if 1,000,000 people rob a bank, instead of trying to deter bank robberies by making drastic changes in the law, we just allow bank robbers to flood the system, breaking the system, so more bank robberies can occur.

Cool

That is the most moronic equivalence I have ever heard. Robbing a bank is a violent act. There is nothing violent about someone crossing the border illegally. Unless they run into the ICE bully boys.

Hey dimwit, if you involve your child in going to fetch your drugs for you, or shoplift for you, or involve them in just about any illegal activity, guess what? They will be taken.

Duh

 

[busybee01]

I'm talking about asylum seekers at border crossings. I've only posted it a half a dozen times.

ACLU: Trump administration forcibly separating asylum-seekers from their children

Could be the Border Patrol has ascertained that no, they are NOT asylum seekers. Have you consulted with the Border patrol on this ?

They are not judges. They do not have the right to make those types of judgements. ICE was recently called liars by a federal judge for falsely claiming that a DACA recipient was a member of MS-13.

 

[busybee01]

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

So what's YOUR plan ?​

Don't separate the children from their parents.

 

[busybee01]

You suggested that, fool. I just showed you why.
The parent committed the crime by crossing illegally. Whatever you mean by "using a child" or "forcing a kid to shoplift" is irrelevant to that fact. Separation of the family is not mandatory under the law.

You can twist like a pretzel all you want. In the practical application of law enforcement or to that matter our judicial system, involving a child in criminal activity most often results in that child being removed from the parent. PERIOD

Why remove the child at all?
Convict the offender, waive the sentence and deport them immediately.

OK, how about just deterring the crime from happening in the first place? I guess if we extend your logic, then, if 1,000,000 people rob a bank, instead of trying to deter bank robberies by making drastic changes in the law, we just allow bank robbers to flood the system, breaking the system, so more bank robberies can occur.

Cool

That is the most moronic equivalence I have ever heard. Robbing a bank is a violent act. There is nothing violent about someone crossing the border illegally. Unless they run into the ICE bully boys.

Hey dimwit, if you involve your child in going to fetch your drugs for you, or shoplift for you, or involve them in just about any illegal activity, guess what? They will be taken.

Duh

You are the dimwit. More idiotic equivalencies. Try jaywalking or a traffic ticket.

 

[candycorn]

...even though 52% of illegals simply overstay their visa? And, of course, although Trumpettes don't believe it, Mexicans actually have mastered the use of ladders and shovels.

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

 

[protectionist]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. This fits.

In other words, you don't know of any law that the Trump admin can be held legally liable for implementing this policy, but you propose that they be held legally liable for what there is no law to hold them legally liable for, right ? Right, BB ? Right ?

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. That is what he should be tried for along with Sessions and others who are implementing this inhumane policy.

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

 

[busybee01]

You are using children as hostages. You are no different than terrorists.

And the left is not???

You are the one who wants to treat children as criminals.

Placing them in detention jails with adults who may harm them whether with the parents or not would be criminal..........Then tomorrow you'd be look what you did to these families.....................Can't house them with all the adults...........got news for you.........some aren't so nice coming over.........

Kids going to other detention centers are for their own protection..............but the INN IS FULL.........only 40,000 beds......

Brings us to another lie the left pushes...........that those crossing is much smaller............more BS.

Face it..........your identity politics here is to attack to get Catch and Release back which is basically your real goal of open borders.

They shouldn't be in detention jails. They need to be in facilities for families. Treating people right has nothing to do with what to do with illegals. Thye should be treated right while they are there and until their status is determined legally.

you have NO f'ing concept of the SCOPE of this problem. We're NOT gonna build "facilities" for 30,000 families at a time, spread over 2000 miles or more of border country. We're gonna review their CLAIMS for asylum and make a judgement and be done with it.

Even if Uncle Sam BUILT those facilities, it would look more like Gitmo than a Comfort Inn..

Anything involved with

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

When you use children to promote your political agenda, trust me, it's all about politics and nothing about human beings.