What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[kaz]

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

Tell me again how illegal aliens are going to have their pregnant wife and five year old kid climb down a 30 foot rope, dishonest loser

One last time. they can, and do, go over, under, around, and through walls. If you can not grasp that, than just build your wall all the way to China and to Africa. And airplanes fly higher than 30 feet high. or just walk through the tunnels under Nogales. My wife and I climbed a 40 foot wall out of a cave with rope and carabiner when we were in our 20's, and she was pregnant at the time. There is a rock climbing wall built where I live that kids climb all the time. I even posted a photograph of hundreds of people climbing a 30 foot wall. Since you are too dumb to learn, this conversation is over.

You posted a picture of people climbing a wall that was falling apart and it wasn't any fucking 30 feet tall. Just admit you support an unlimited stream of illegal aliens flowing into our country to vote for our leftist policies. You don't WANT to stop them. That is butt obvious. You're a horrible liar

 

[kaz]

We could just act like ISIS and no doubt illegal immigration would come to a screeching halt.

You can't possibly be that dim witted that you think putting up a physical barrier to stop criminals from entering our country is acting "like ISIS." You drool a lot, don't you?

 

[kaz]

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

You realize you just answered why the children should be taken from SOB’s that would do that to them, right?

I think that anyone who would traumatize children for their parent's sins should not be allowed to raise them, and these days, that pretty much defines trumpettes.

But you do think we should reward parents for traumatizing their kids and forcing children to be raised by parents who are criminals. Thanks for that humanitarian education

 

[Coyote]

...First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...Immigration does not jail people they detain them...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything...

True. However, their parents are now being processed as criminals under 8 U.S. Code § 1325 ( Improper entry by alien ). Suspects do not have rights for joint housing.

...Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty...

Until the present day. Now, adult Illegal Alien trespassers are being evaluated for both criminal and civil charges under 8 U.S. Code § 1325, which says, in part:

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts:
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.​

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties:
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.


​

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325​

...The normal former historical procedure of convenience is was to keep children with their parents...

Fixed.

...The new procedure is to take the kids away from their Illegal Alien criminal-trespass parents...

Fixed.

...promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement...

Excellent tactic to reduce clutter in the Immigration Courts... phukking brilliant... and entirely voluntary.

...which of course denies them due process of law...

Incorrect. This is tantamount to a Plea Bargain, which lets Illegal Alien criminal-trespass offenders off-the-hook cheaply and easily. Win-Win. Grand idea.

They are very welcome to undergo criminal-trespass hearings and trial if they choose. That's entirely up to them. Frankly, the US is letting them off the hook.

...This is an incredibly stupid move...

This is an incredibly brilliant move; cutting the Gordian Knot and telling Progressives to go phukk themselves on this topic.

...on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

Say what you will about the Imperial Cheeto, but the philosophical battle lines were drawn on this subject on November 8, 2016. You(r side) lost.

Perhaps when the concept pierces your thick skulls, that being seen standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than your own fellow countrymen is "impolitic" and "unwise", you will have begun the long journey back towards political power and control of government. But you Lefties are not well-known for your adaptability and pragmatism.

...promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement

That is evil.

 

[kaz]

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

Tell me again how illegal aliens are going to have their pregnant wife and five year old kid climb down a 30 foot rope, dishonest loser

One last time. they can, and do, go over, under, around, and through walls. If you can not grasp that, than just build your wall all the way to China and to Africa. And airplanes fly higher than 30 feet high. or just walk through the tunnels under Nogales. My wife and I climbed a 40 foot wall out of a cave with rope and carabiner when we were in our 20's, and she was pregnant at the time. There is a rock climbing wall built where I live that kids climb all the time. I even posted a photograph of hundreds of people climbing a 30 foot wall. Since you are too dumb to learn, this conversation is over.

OTH -- there were 20 Army Rangers that FAILED to scale most of the Prototype wall demonstrations.. It's not something you can sink lines into.. Certainly not "unescorted minors"...

Well, Trump told us that they are like professional mountain climbers, and I am SURE that he would not have said that unless it was true!

Your story about having rock climbed in your 20s is obviously a lie since you think anyone can do it, pregnant women (you admitted your wife was also in her 20s and an experienced rock climber), children, old people, fat people. A 30 foot wall might as well not be there. You're a total liar

 

[kaz]

...First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...Immigration does not jail people they detain them...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything...

True. However, their parents are now being processed as criminals under 8 U.S. Code § 1325 ( Improper entry by alien ). Suspects do not have rights for joint housing.

...Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty...

Until the present day. Now, adult Illegal Alien trespassers are being evaluated for both criminal and civil charges under 8 U.S. Code § 1325, which says, in part:

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts:
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.​

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties:
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.


​

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325​

...The normal former historical procedure of convenience is was to keep children with their parents...

Fixed.

...The new procedure is to take the kids away from their Illegal Alien criminal-trespass parents...

Fixed.

...promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement...

Excellent tactic to reduce clutter in the Immigration Courts... phukking brilliant... and entirely voluntary.

...which of course denies them due process of law...

Incorrect. This is tantamount to a Plea Bargain, which lets Illegal Alien criminal-trespass offenders off-the-hook cheaply and easily. Win-Win. Grand idea.

They are very welcome to undergo criminal-trespass hearings and trial if they choose. That's entirely up to them. Frankly, the US is letting them off the hook.

...This is an incredibly stupid move...

This is an incredibly brilliant move; cutting the Gordian Knot and telling Progressives to go phukk themselves on this topic.

...on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

Say what you will about the Imperial Cheeto, but the philosophical battle lines were drawn on this subject on November 8, 2016. You(r side) lost.

Perhaps when the concept pierces your thick skulls, that being seen standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than your own fellow countrymen is "impolitic" and "unwise", you will have begun the long journey back towards political power and control of government. But you Lefties are not well-known for your adaptability and pragmatism.

...promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement

That is evil.

Yes, we should also ensure that if they sign it and come back, they will lose their children and go to jail and there will be no offer of a voluntary deportation agreement.

You're right, this way they will just abuse their children and drag them across the desert again.

You people are just so shallowly obvious that you want criminals to come here by the millions to vote for Democrats. If we stop them, we are ISIS! Moron

 

[Coyote]

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Give us an example of a human facility of the size and scope and for the same types of *immigrants* that the left has invited to our border.

You know, facilities that will *hold* families safely while trying to figure out who the fuck they are and where they came from and whether or not they are murderers or rapists or terrorists on the run.

Let's see an example of the sort of facility you want us to emulate.

Pretty sure what BusyBee and Coyote have in mind would look like this.. But with a Welcome to America banner draped elegantly from the front Promenade.

Pretty sure you are wrong.

Opposing ripping away their children while they are awaiting a hearing is hardly equivalent to this and was not necessary before. There were adequate facilities that managed to keep families intact.

Wtf is wrong with people! Opposing this policy is now equivalent to wanting open borders and five star hotels for them? Illegal immigrants are now equated with murders and rapists?

This country has gon in a truly evil direction.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Mexico has the right to do whatever they wish. If they wish to deny the entry of those we catch crossing FROM MEXICO ILLEGALLY, that is something that can only be addressed by a border wall.

...even though 52% of illegals simply overstay their visa? And, of course, although Trumpettes don't believe it, Mexicans actually have mastered the use of ladders and shovels.

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What you fail to write in your one in four comment is the fact Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and other communities are grouped into that figure and you want to play that figure as Mexican and El Salvadoran.

Also the discussion is about parents that illegally come here with their child and not those already here for years...

Also from 2009 to 2011 Democrats could have fixed the system and yet those like you ignore this fact!

All these problems you see today is your party failure to address and fix the broken system and if and when Democrats win again I doubt anything will be done because let face reality this wedge issue will never be fix because if it were then you lose that issue!

Finally, you better remember that even with the growing Hispanic communities in the State of Texas and New Mexico those States stay Red and Purple while the only true Blue State is California...

Now you might want to ask why is that and please if you attempt to use racism as your reasoning, well New Mexico Governor is not white and SenatorTed Cruz is not white either...

I know how dare I point out reality that Hispanics understand that the Democratic Party has done little to fix the issue while blowing a lot of hot air!

So as you and the OP'er cry about what is being done, well maybe when your political party gains control again the two of you will demand they fix the system, but my guess this issue will be forgotten by then...

 

[Kondor3]

......promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement That is evil.

Incorrect.

That is "Deterrence" ...a.k.a. "cutting the Gordian Knot".

It is also proving to be damned effective.

Don't want to be subjected to that?

Don't cross the US border or overstay without our express prior consent.

As provided by United States law.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Give us an example of a human facility of the size and scope and for the same types of *immigrants* that the left has invited to our border.

You know, facilities that will *hold* families safely while trying to figure out who the fuck they are and where they came from and whether or not they are murderers or rapists or terrorists on the run.

Let's see an example of the sort of facility you want us to emulate.

Pretty sure what BusyBee and Coyote have in mind would look like this.. But with a Welcome to America banner draped elegantly from the front Promenade.

Pretty sure you are wrong.

Opposing ripping away their children while they are awaiting a hearing is hardly equivalent to this and was not necessary before. There were adequate facilities that managed to keep families intact.

Wtf is wrong with people! Opposing this policy is now equivalent to wanting open borders and five star hotels for them? Illegal immigrants are now equated with murders and rapists?

This country has gon in a truly evil direction.

Enforcing our immigration laws is not evil and if so then all Nations are evil!

Again, you should be upset with the parent and their homeland government and not our laws and enforcing them.

It is illegal to enter this country without proper authorization and it should be dealt with until your political party grows a pair to fix the system they promised to fix back in 2008!

 

[Kondor3]

...You people are just so shallowly obvious that you want criminals to come here by the millions to vote for Democrats...

Nahhhhh... they don't necessarily want "criminals"... they just want legions of grateful new voters... and they want to dilute the white vote.

Now... THAT is "racist" .

What pi$$e$ them off to no end, is that Mainstream America has finally admitted that to themselves, and has begun acting upon it.

Nobody likes to see a "sucker" wise-up.

 

[kaz]

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Give us an example of a human facility of the size and scope and for the same types of *immigrants* that the left has invited to our border.

You know, facilities that will *hold* families safely while trying to figure out who the fuck they are and where they came from and whether or not they are murderers or rapists or terrorists on the run.

Let's see an example of the sort of facility you want us to emulate.

Pretty sure what BusyBee and Coyote have in mind would look like this.. But with a Welcome to America banner draped elegantly from the front Promenade.

Pretty sure you are wrong.

Opposing ripping away their children while they are awaiting a hearing is hardly equivalent to this and was not necessary before. There were adequate facilities that managed to keep families intact.

Wtf is wrong with people! Opposing this policy is now equivalent to wanting open borders and five star hotels for them? Illegal immigrants are now equated with murders and rapists?

This country has gon in a truly evil direction.

Making sure child abusers get to keep their kids. You're just a pillar of humanity.

And that you want to assure criminals they won't be punished is such a stupid strategy. We need to assure them that they will.

You need to keep your eye on the Sparrow. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Don't do it ... Doing the time includes losing your kids. We need to assure them that they will lose their kids, so don't commit crimes with your kids in tow

 

[candycorn]

...even though 52% of illegals simply overstay their visa? And, of course, although Trumpettes don't believe it, Mexicans actually have mastered the use of ladders and shovels.

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What you fail to write in your one in four comment is the fact Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and other communities are grouped into that figure and you want to play that figure as Mexican and El Salvadoran.

Also the discussion is about parents that illegally come here with their child and not those already here for years...

Also from 2009 to 2011 Democrats could have fixed the system and yet those like you ignore this fact!

All these problems you see today is your party failure to address and fix the broken system and if and when Democrats win again I doubt anything will be done because let face reality this wedge issue will never be fix because if it were then you lose that issue!

Finally, you better remember that even with the growing Hispanic communities in the State of Texas and New Mexico those States stay Red and Purple while the only true Blue State is California...

Now you might want to ask why is that and please if you attempt to use racism as your reasoning, well New Mexico Governor is not white and SenatorTed Cruz is not white either...

I know how dare I point out reality that Hispanics understand that the Democratic Party has done little to fix the issue while blowing a lot of hot air!

So as you and the OP'er cry about what is being done, well maybe when your political party gains control again the two of you will demand they fix the system, but my guess this issue will be forgotten by then...

Not a democrat.

 

[kaz]

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What you fail to write in your one in four comment is the fact Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and other communities are grouped into that figure and you want to play that figure as Mexican and El Salvadoran.

Also the discussion is about parents that illegally come here with their child and not those already here for years...

Also from 2009 to 2011 Democrats could have fixed the system and yet those like you ignore this fact!

All these problems you see today is your party failure to address and fix the broken system and if and when Democrats win again I doubt anything will be done because let face reality this wedge issue will never be fix because if it were then you lose that issue!

Finally, you better remember that even with the growing Hispanic communities in the State of Texas and New Mexico those States stay Red and Purple while the only true Blue State is California...

Now you might want to ask why is that and please if you attempt to use racism as your reasoning, well New Mexico Governor is not white and SenatorTed Cruz is not white either...

I know how dare I point out reality that Hispanics understand that the Democratic Party has done little to fix the issue while blowing a lot of hot air!

So as you and the OP'er cry about what is being done, well maybe when your political party gains control again the two of you will demand they fix the system, but my guess this issue will be forgotten by then...

Not a democrat.

You vote for them

 

[Auld Phart]

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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View attachment 196135

Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

and that child will be separated from you as required by law,

Did he make up that law, that day?

or was in in effect earlier?

You must have missed it:

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

 

[candycorn]

View attachment 196135

Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

and that child will be separated from you as required by law,

Did he make up that law, that day?

or was in in effect earlier?

You must have missed it:

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

are you saying you can’t find a dictionary to help you understand the English words I used?

 

[Auld Phart]

Did he make up that law, that day?

or was in in effect earlier?

You must have missed it:

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

are you saying you can’t find a dictionary to help you understand the English words I used?

still deflecting?

 

[candycorn]

You must have missed it:

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

are you saying you can’t find a dictionary to help you understand the English words I used?

still deflecting?

still illiterate? See, I can just answer questions with question too.

 

[Auld Phart]

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

are you saying you can’t find a dictionary to help you understand the English words I used?

still deflecting?

still illiterate? See, I can just answer questions with question too.

and still deflecting.

Original question:

When was the law enacted?


instead of an answer, you supply Mother Goose stories, limericks, and fairy tales, and other deflections .

is it that you CAN'T supply the answer, or that you're AFRAID to supply the answer?

 

[candycorn]

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

are you saying you can't find the law he's referring to, and have no idea how long it's been on the books?

are you saying you can’t find a dictionary to help you understand the English words I used?

still deflecting?

still illiterate? See, I can just answer questions with question too.

and still deflecting.

Original question:

When was the law enacted?


instead of an answer, you supply Mother Goose stories, limericks, and fairy tales, and other deflections .

is it that you CAN'T supply the answer, or that you're AFRAID to supply the answer?

Is it that you can’t find a dictionary to look up my plainly written answers or that you are too embarrassed to admit you can’t read?

This is fun….