What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Vandalshandle]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

You realize you just answered why the children should be taken from SOB’s that would do that to them, right?

I think that anyone who would traumatize children for their parent's sins should not be allowed to raise them, and these days, that pretty much defines trumpettes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

The point is they are cared for, not terrorized. You leftist always try to Clintonize words to make things seem more extreme than they are. You leftists always blame others instead of who deserves the blame which in this case, is the adults that brought these kids here to a strange country not knowing of the possibilities.

Now show me these videos of kids screaming as they are being dragged away; something credible of course.

The children are screaming and crying because they are happy. You alt-right types think everyone is a leftist. The fact is that a majority of voters are to the left of you.

Of course they are, that's why they lost the house, the Senate and the White House along with most of the Governorships across the country.

The Democrats went too far to the left and Republicans are doing the same thing by moving too far to the right. The Republicans lost 15 seats in the Virginia House of Delegates.

Right.......Virginia, well let's see what happens in 18 if Trump keeps up his ultra-right agenda. You people live in this make believe world that everybody thinks like you do. Well as you can see in this topic alone, you are the minority of people in how you feel.

What you don't like about Trump (our) policies is that they have a chance of working. If Trump can keep this going, it will deter a lot of newcomers from trying the same stunt as these people, and that will help more children than anything.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

You’re talking to someone with the intelligence of a brick when you respond to him.

There is absolutely no way to justify ripping kids away from their parents. Can you imagine if you’re 6 years old, get shipped away from your parents to God knows where. In the best situation it would scare you to death. If you’re a special needs kid..OMFG. All brought to you by the Trump administration…

No, brought to you by policies of the last administration that gave these illegals the idea we would treat them like honored guests instead of invaders.

If you take your kid to a porn movie, do you blame the actors in the film if the kid is traumatized?

Well America isn’t a porn movie…although with Trump as our president, it may look like one. That a porn star reminds him of his daughter is pretty sick.

So is anybody who thinks that's what it reminds him of.

Hey, your messiah told the whores he banged that; before he fucked them.

You’re the one comparing the US to a porn movie. Not me.

Sorry you missed the point entirely. But the point was that it's the adults that are responsible for the fate of these children--not Trump. They brought them into this conflict--not Trump. They risked the lives of these children--not Trump.

I understand how you on the left think that government is responsible for children instead of the parents, but our old fashioned values say that the parents are ultimately responsible for the future of their children. Yet when these adults brought these children into this country illegally, don't blame the adults, blame Trump.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

You are such a fruitcake.

Everybody knows that the left views "saving" the same as "destroying" or "killing".

And it isn't going to happen. You people are finito.

The GOP is already destroying itself. You animals are finished.

If I wasn’t laughing so hard I’d yawn

If I were laughing that hard, I'd be ripped. No more Twinkie jokes. I'd be a toothpick in need of a cheeseburger, like aaronleland.

(Surely I jest!)

 

[protectionist]

Hey, your messiah told the whores he banged that; before he fucked them.

You’re the one comparing the US to a porn movie. Not me.

Maybe this thread has finally run its course, ya think ?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yes, I'm bored. I'm going to go now. It was great debating with people who cared to debate instead of calling names and labeling people.

 

[OKTexas]

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Want in one hand and shit in the other, see which fill up the fastest. Your wants don't set policy.


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[protectionist]

A liberal to you is anyone to the left of the KKK. The 70 or 80 percent of people who support amnesty are not Democrats. If they are then Republicans are dead.

I'll go by THESE %s (not counting the illegal alien vote) >>

 

[Flopper]

Parents bringing their family with them into the US is not human trafficking.

Interestingly, when you have to smuggle them across the border, running and hiding from the authorities of the country you illegally entered in the meanwhile, you are essentially trafficking them.

No, for smuggling to be trafficking the purposes is forced labor or commercial sexual exploitation, certainly not seeking a new home for the family to escape oppression or poverty.

 

[protectionist]

We do? We don't jail people for jaywalking. Sessions is a animal and a thug.

But we do jail people for 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

 

[Flopper]

I can't get over people complaining because children are being removed from traffickers.

But then again, I've known they were the party of child slavery for a long, long time.

Apparently you don't even know the definition of human trafficking, (recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring, or receipt of persons by improper means (such as force, abduction, fraud, or coercion) for an improper purpose including forced labor or sexual exploitation.) Parents bringing their family with them into the US is not human trafficking.

It isn't just parents. It's *family members* and yes you can traffic your own children if you are using them for the purpose of getting people (you) into the country illegally.

Please read the definition of human trafficking and stop beating a dead horse.
What Is Human Trafficking?

 

[OKTexas]

Yes, a legal claim. Charging them as illegals and seperating families is a punative action against those involved in a legal process for no other reason than to dter future applicants. An unnecessarily harsh policy.

FALSE! It is to deport those who have no legal status to be here, and who are lucky if they aren't imprisoned for violating US Code 8, Section 1325.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Separating the children has nothing to do with deportation procedures. The only reason to do such a inhumane and punitive thing is pure evil. This is the act of criminal regimes like Assad in Syria.

So glad to hear that you were in too much of a hurry to vent your spleen to be bothered to read the article you're "outraged" about. It exists, and that's enough for you to be an "infuriated expert", right?

Maybe you need to read it. It says nothing about separating children. That is Trump and Sessions who is doing it.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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[protectionist]

No, for smuggling to be trafficking the purposes is forced labor or commercial sexual exploitation, certainly not seeking a new home for the family to escape oppression or poverty.

Smuggling, trafficking, illegal entry by alien; they're all crimes.

 

[koshergrl]

House o

got a link to that 'hard and fast' policy, and when it started?

Sessions announced it the other day. Do some research.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

Here's an idea for ya, how about we add felony child endangerment and/or child trafficking to the charges for adults that bring kids to the border illegally? They don't seem to be getting the message that the US is enforcing its borders.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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I have a better idea. After Trump loses, disband ICE. I would rather have them than trash like you.

Of course you would!

Meanwhile, in the real world...

Black Support For Trump Is Rising Into The Danger Zone For Democrats

 

[protectionist]

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

Busybee falls on face once again.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Seems more like unnecessary human rights violations.

So when a cop stops somebody for speeding and DUI, and arrests him, and his kids are separated from him, you'd say this is an "unnecessary human rights violation" ?

And when the drunk driver is incarcerated, where would you suggest the kids go ? Into jail with him ?

You are a moron. The 2 are not comparable. Would you incarcerate someone for jaywalking. What I would expect from a hateful pea brain like you.

Speaking of two things that are not comparable: jaywalking, and sneaking across the border of a foreign country.

SOMEONE here is a moron, but I'm pretty certain it's you.

I'm absolutely sure it is you. Comparing violent acts which may result in death to illegally crossing the border which is a non-violent offense.

Call me silly, but I consider invading a foreign country to be far different from crossing a street in a country you belong in.

 

[koshergrl]

I can't get over people complaining because children are being removed from traffickers.

But then again, I've known they were the party of child slavery for a long, long time.

Apparently you don't even know the definition of human trafficking, (recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring, or receipt of persons by improper means (such as force, abduction, fraud, or coercion) for an improper purpose including forced labor or sexual exploitation.) Parents bringing their family with them into the US is not human trafficking.

It isn't just parents. It's *family members* and yes you can traffic your own children if you are using them for the purpose of getting people (you) into the country illegally.

Please read the definition of human trafficking and stop beating a dead horse.
What Is Human Trafficking?

Ah now we change the definition of trafficking. Of course.

 

[protectionist]

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

Is there a doctor in the house ? I mean really.

 

[protectionist]

You are a moron. The 2 are not comparable. Would you incarcerate someone for jaywalking. What I would expect from a hateful pea brain like you.

OK. How about this ? When someone is arrested for bank fraud (no violence involved), and cops arrest him, where would you suggest the kids go ? Into jail with him ?

 

[protectionist]

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. That is what he should be tried for along with Sessions and others who are implementing this inhumane policy.

In other words, you don't know of any LAW that the Trump admin can be held legally liable for implementing this policy, but you propose that they be held legally liable for what there is no law to hold them legally liable for, right ? Right, BB ? Right ?