What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[koshergrl]

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Give us an example of a human facility of the size and scope and for the same types of *immigrants* that the left has invited to our border.

You know, facilities that will *hold* families safely while trying to figure out who the fuck they are and where they came from and whether or not they are murderers or rapists or terrorists on the run.

Let's see an example of the sort of facility you want us to emulate.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

Yeah, your "deep concern" for fellow human beings you've never laid eyes on, much less ever done a fucking thing for. You're right that we don't understand. In the real world, saying, "I'm concerned. No, really, I care!" does not make it so.

That is called compassion. Try reading the Bible assuming you are able to read. It says nothing about Americans.

Ha, don't you dare try to play the religion card. The Bible speaks about how protective God was of the Israelites. They had God enforcing the boundaries of their nation, why can't we as his creations do the same for our own?

 

[koshergrl]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

You are such a fruitcake.

Everybody knows that the left views "saving" the same as "destroying" or "killing".

And it isn't going to happen. You people are finito.

The GOP is already destroying itself. You animals are finished.

That's funny.

 

[busybee01]

The Nuremberg trials were about crimes against humanity. That is what he should be tried for along with Sessions and others who are implementing this inhumane policy.

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

The point is they are cared for, not terrorized. You leftist always try to Clintonize words to make things seem more extreme than they are. You leftists always blame others instead of who deserves the blame which in this case, is the adults that brought these kids here to a strange country not knowing of the possibilities.

Now show me these videos of kids screaming as they are being dragged away; something credible of course.

The children are screaming and crying because they are happy. You alt-right types think everyone is a leftist. The fact is that a majority of voters are to the left of you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

The point is they are cared for, not terrorized. You leftist always try to Clintonize words to make things seem more extreme than they are. You leftists always blame others instead of who deserves the blame which in this case, is the adults that brought these kids here to a strange country not knowing of the possibilities.

Now show me these videos of kids screaming as they are being dragged away; something credible of course.

The children are screaming and crying because they are happy. You alt-right types think everyone is a leftist. The fact is that a majority of voters are to the left of you.

Of course they are, that's why they lost the house, the Senate and the White House along with most of the Governorships across the country.

 

[busybee01]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

Yeah, your "deep concern" for fellow human beings you've never laid eyes on, much less ever done a fucking thing for. You're right that we don't understand. In the real world, saying, "I'm concerned. No, really, I care!" does not make it so.

That is called compassion. Try reading the Bible assuming you are able to read. It says nothing about Americans.

Ha, don't you dare try to play the religion card. The Bible speaks about how protective God was of the Israelites. They had God enforcing the boundaries of their nation, why can't we as his creations do the same for our own?

God also punished them when they did wrong. After they worshipped a false idol in the desert, they were left to wander until the people who committed the original sin died.

 

[candycorn]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

You’re talking to someone with the intelligence of a brick when you respond to him.

There is absolutely no way to justify ripping kids away from their parents. Can you imagine if you’re 6 years old, get shipped away from your parents to God knows where. In the best situation it would scare you to death. If you’re a special needs kid..OMFG. All brought to you by the Trump administration…

No, brought to you by policies of the last administration that gave these illegals the idea we would treat them like honored guests instead of invaders.

If you take your kid to a porn movie, do you blame the actors in the film if the kid is traumatized?

Well America isn’t a porn movie…although with Trump as our president, it may look like one. That a porn star reminds him of his daughter is pretty sick.

 

[candycorn]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

Yeah, your "deep concern" for fellow human beings you've never laid eyes on, much less ever done a fucking thing for. You're right that we don't understand. In the real world, saying, "I'm concerned. No, really, I care!" does not make it so.

That is called compassion. Try reading the Bible assuming you are able to read. It says nothing about Americans.

Hell, it’s humanity…compassion is an enhancement.

 

[Pop23]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

You are such a fruitcake.

Everybody knows that the left views "saving" the same as "destroying" or "killing".

And it isn't going to happen. You people are finito.

The GOP is already destroying itself. You animals are finished.

If I wasn’t laughing so hard I’d yawn

 

[flacaltenn]

ACLU accuses U.S. of separating immigrant families seeking asylum

Immigration advocates criticized President Barack Obama's administration for opening new family detention facilities in Texas and called for parents and children to be released. The two Texas facilities that it opened were found by a federal judge in 2015 to violate a long-standing 1997 settlement requiring children be released or otherwise held in the "least restrictive setting" available.

That settlement set other standards for the detention of children. The Trump administration has called for ending the settlement as part of its demands for changes to immigration laws.

Top administration officials have said they believe the asylum process is overwhelmed and challenged by people making frivolous claims. Advocates have also accused border agents of unlawfully turning away people who are seeking asylum at the U.S.-Mexico border.

Michelle Brané, director of the migrant rights and justice program for the Women's Refugee Commission, said that through attorneys and social service organizations, she had identified at least 426 immigrant adults and children who had been separated by authorities since Mr. Trump took office in January 2017. Brané said she did not have a comparable figure for Obama's administration.

But Brané said since the new administration began, her office has received far more reports of adults being held in ICE facilities without knowing where their children are.

So here's some points.

1) A SMALL fraction of parents with child are being held. If there is detention, to do DNA testing or check legal records, the CHILDREN BY LAW -- cannot be detained for the act of the parent. The parents are essentially under legal arrest. Children don't go to jail with their parents.

2) With no birth record -- authorities DON'T KNOW the diff between a parent or a coyote or just a fellow border crosser.

3) This fight has going on since about 2011.. And was exacerbated by the MASSIVE influx of 160,000 PARENT-LESS children crashing the border. Many of whom fell under the control of gang or drug elements attempting to mask THEIR entry into the US.

It's a huge mess. THere's NO documentation. No records. No truth. NO ONE here should sit in judgement of those REQUIRED to sort out the chaos. Unless you appreciate the MAGNITUDE of the daily chaos down there. It's got to stop being a migration and start being actual IMMIGRATION..

 

[OKTexas]

Really?

He's the one that started it?

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

got a link to that 'hard and fast' policy, and when it started?

Sessions announced it the other day. Do some research.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

Here's an idea for ya, how about we add felony child endangerment and/or child trafficking to the charges for adults that bring kids to the border illegally? They don't seem to be getting the message that the US is enforcing its borders.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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[busybee01]

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

The point is they are cared for, not terrorized. You leftist always try to Clintonize words to make things seem more extreme than they are. You leftists always blame others instead of who deserves the blame which in this case, is the adults that brought these kids here to a strange country not knowing of the possibilities.

Now show me these videos of kids screaming as they are being dragged away; something credible of course.

The children are screaming and crying because they are happy. You alt-right types think everyone is a leftist. The fact is that a majority of voters are to the left of you.

Of course they are, that's why they lost the house, the Senate and the White House along with most of the Governorships across the country.

The Democrats went too far to the left and Republicans are doing the same thing by moving too far to the right. The Republicans lost 15 seats in the Virginia House of Delegates.

 

[Flopper]

No illegal aliens-children or otherwise-should be allowed to stay. Zero tolerance. End of story.

They're not illegal because no court has found them guilty of anything. The question is not whether they should stay or not but whether they should be treated humanely and remain with their parents until the court acts.

Since they are essentially jailed until that time, like anyone else who is arrested for a crime, you are suggesting that the children ALSO be jailed, to "remain with their parents".

Like everything you say, it's ludicrous and stupid.

First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained. Immigration does not jail people they detain them. The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything. Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty. The normal procedure is to keep children with their parents. The new procedure is to take the kids away from their parents promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement which of course denies them due process of law. This is an incredibly stupid move on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

1. Who is "they" ? "The parents" ? Which parents ?

2. Immigration certainly DOES jail people. Those who violate it's law, US Code 8, Section 1325, are subject to 6 months imprisonment in a federal prison, and 2 YEARS imprisonment for a subsequent offense (of crossing the border with inspection from US immigration authorities). What do you think the Congressmen who wrote this law did that for ? For their health ?

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

3. The "normal " procedure is that which the law specifies, and it doesn't specify for kids to be jailed with their parents. And what occurred with immigration during the Obama administration, is about the farthest thing from normal that anything could ever be.

4. Where did you get this "sign a voluntary deportation agreement" idea ? You got a source link for that ? And even if this were the case, since said agreement is not mandatory, there is no denial of due process of law.

1. The parents and the children are being detained.

2. I was referring to this event. Repeated improper entry after deportation is a felony as is unlawful smuggling of people across the boarder usually for a fee. They can certainly be jailed and tried but that is not what we're discussing here. Most of these people will be charged with either Unlawful entry, a criminal misdemeanor or unlawful presence, a civil violation which are the most violations. Those that are arrested are either detained in a detention center or released on their own recognizance.

3. Prior to 2006, ICE commonly detained parents and children separately. In FY 2006 Congress directed ICE to either “release families,” use “alternatives to detention such as the Intensive Supervised Appearance Program,” or, if necessary, use “appropriate” detention space to house families together.

4. Voluntary Departure is sometimes refereed to as Voluntary Deportation or self deportation. It is a very common method of getting people that are illegally in the country out of the country. Most immigration violations qualify for voluntary departure. Felons are those being charged with a felony do not qualify.

The benefit for government is saving the cost of deportation which had an average cost of of $10,864 in 2016 and reduction in the backlog of immigration cases waiting for a hearing which are about 200,000 now.

The benefit for detainees is release from detention, time to organize affairs before departure and usually the departure does not prevent them from legally re-entering the country. The disadvantages are the person has to pay their cost of travel, they gives up their right to due process plus they may not be able get their case reviewed regardless of later evidence uncovered. US citizens that agreed to voluntary departure have had problems getting their case reviewed even though they uncovered clear evidence of citizenship.

There has been a lot of controversy surrounding voluntary departure. Detainees have reported that they have been pressured by ICE to agree to voluntary departure with claims of long detention, transfers to facilities far from their family, etc.

In addition to Voluntary Departure, ICE also uses Voluntary Return as an option. This occurs when someone tries to enter the country illegally but fails. Since they haven't made it to through immigration, they may technically not be in violation of US law. In most cases they are held a few hours and released. In some cases they are held a few days if there is suspicion of a crime.
Voluntary Departure
Laws, Regulations, and Guides Immigration and Nationality Act

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

You’re talking to someone with the intelligence of a brick when you respond to him.

There is absolutely no way to justify ripping kids away from their parents. Can you imagine if you’re 6 years old, get shipped away from your parents to God knows where. In the best situation it would scare you to death. If you’re a special needs kid..OMFG. All brought to you by the Trump administration…

No, brought to you by policies of the last administration that gave these illegals the idea we would treat them like honored guests instead of invaders.

If you take your kid to a porn movie, do you blame the actors in the film if the kid is traumatized?

Well America isn’t a porn movie…although with Trump as our president, it may look like one. That a porn star reminds him of his daughter is pretty sick.

So is anybody who thinks that's what it reminds him of.

 

[TemplarKormac]

God also punished them when they did wrong. After they worshipped a false idol in the desert, they were left to wander until the people who committed the original sin died.

And that has what to do with my post, exactly?

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

Tell me again how illegal aliens are going to have their pregnant wife and five year old kid climb down a 30 foot rope, dishonest loser

One last time. they can, and do, go over, under, around, and through walls. If you can not grasp that, than just build your wall all the way to China and to Africa. And airplanes fly higher than 30 feet high. or just walk through the tunnels under Nogales. My wife and I climbed a 40 foot wall out of a cave with rope and carabiner when we were in our 20's, and she was pregnant at the time. There is a rock climbing wall built where I live that kids climb all the time. I even posted a photograph of hundreds of people climbing a 30 foot wall. Since you are too dumb to learn, this conversation is over.

 

[candycorn]

Sessions announced it the other day. Do some research.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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View attachment 196135

Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

and that child will be separated from you as required by law,

Did he make up that law, that day?

or was in in effect earlier?

You must have missed it:

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

I also read 'as required by law'.

when did that law go in to effect?

Before his speech, after his speech?

July 31, 2016?

Halloween?
Christmas?
Labor Day?

earlier?
Later?

Cops ignore the law all the time. 56 in a 55mph zone is breaking the law. Few if any cops would give a ticket.
Presidents use signing statements to sidestep laws that the bills they just signed created.
The feds have ignored the States passing recreational marijuana laws…
There are hundreds of examples of laws that are not enforced, seldom enforced, etc…
Don’t pretend that you do not know this.

Trump and his gang are making the decision to be barbaric. Nobody is forcing them to do this; Herr Sessions and company are doing it to please fools like you.

 

[busybee01]

House o

The hard and fast policy of ripping a 18 month old from his mother’s arms; no exceptions…yes.

got a link to that 'hard and fast' policy, and when it started?

Sessions announced it the other day. Do some research.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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View attachment 196135

Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

Here's an idea for ya, how about we add felony child endangerment and/or child trafficking to the charges for adults that bring kids to the border illegally? They don't seem to be getting the message that the US is enforcing its borders.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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I have a better idea. After Trump loses, disband ICE. I would rather have them than trash like you.

 

[OKTexas]

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

Hispanic voters will remember this. Illegal immigration is one thing…the illegals should be deported. There is a process; they should respect the process barring any special circumstances.

Hard and fast policies of ripping kids from their mother’s arms is just a function of a heartless administration.

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[candycorn]

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

You’re talking to someone with the intelligence of a brick when you respond to him.

There is absolutely no way to justify ripping kids away from their parents. Can you imagine if you’re 6 years old, get shipped away from your parents to God knows where. In the best situation it would scare you to death. If you’re a special needs kid..OMFG. All brought to you by the Trump administration…

No, brought to you by policies of the last administration that gave these illegals the idea we would treat them like honored guests instead of invaders.

If you take your kid to a porn movie, do you blame the actors in the film if the kid is traumatized?

Well America isn’t a porn movie…although with Trump as our president, it may look like one. That a porn star reminds him of his daughter is pretty sick.

So is anybody who thinks that's what it reminds him of.

Hey, your messiah told the whores he banged that; before he fucked them.

You’re the one comparing the US to a porn movie. Not me.