What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[OKTexas]

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got a link to that 'hard and fast' policy, and when it started?

Sessions announced it the other day. Do some research.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online


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Herr Sessions went on to say:

“If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement event in Scottsdale, Ariz. “If you don’t like that, then don’t smuggle children over our border.”

“If you cross this border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It’s that simple,” Sessions added, describing the new policy as zero tolerance. “We are dealing with a massive influx of illegal aliens across our Southwest Border. But we’re not going to stand for this.”

Sessions ramped up legal resources at the border recently, sending 35 federal prosecutors and 18 immigration judges to the southwest region to assist with an expected increase in border crossing cases.”

As we all know (and now you’ll see a bunch of conservatives with onset amnesia), the authorities can enforce the law or ignore the law at their discretion most times. Technically, you’re breaking the law if you’re doing 56 in a 55MPH zone. No cop will ticket you for that though. Hell, Presidents use signing statements all the time to sidestep laws created by bills that they just sign. This is a decision the Trump administration is making to ramp up the cruelty because they know it sates their WWE constituency. Or do they really think that an 18 month old poses a threat to national security?

Here's an idea for ya, how about we add felony child endangerment and/or child trafficking to the charges for adults that bring kids to the border illegally? They don't seem to be getting the message that the US is enforcing its borders.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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I have a better idea. After Trump loses, disband ICE. I would rather have them than trash like you.

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online
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[Flopper]

We do? We don't jail people for jaywalking. Sessions is a animal and a thug.

But we do jail people for 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

Yes, but it doesn't make much sense and is done rarely except in extreme cases. Putting a person in jail for say 6 months or even as much as 2 years before deporting just delays the deportation and adds cost. Federal guidelines would cut time served almost in half. For many detainees, it's just 6 months of free food and lodging in a low to medium security prison which is likely to be better than where they'll be deported. It accomplishing nothing.

 

[protectionist]

Yes, but it doesn't make much sense and is done rarely except in extreme cases. Putting a person in jail for say 6 months before deporting just delays the deportation and adds cost. For many detainees, it's just 6 months of free food and lodging in a low to medium security prison which is better than where they'll be deported.

Well, it all depends on HOW you do it. Now if you gave the creepo the first 3 months (January, February, March) hard labor outside, on the north coast of Alaska, and the second 3 months, (April, May, June), hard labor outside in the Florida Keys, he may not be so anxious to reenter after his deportation.

Oh I almost forgot. No TV, no radio, no computer, no music, no books, no telephone, and a steady diet of bread and water.

 

[OKTexas]

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

Busybee falls on face once again.

Hah, the little fag ignores it and keeps playing the same broken record post after post. So every time it mentions separating kids I'm going to post that link.


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[flacaltenn]

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

Tell me again how illegal aliens are going to have their pregnant wife and five year old kid climb down a 30 foot rope, dishonest loser

One last time. they can, and do, go over, under, around, and through walls. If you can not grasp that, than just build your wall all the way to China and to Africa. And airplanes fly higher than 30 feet high. or just walk through the tunnels under Nogales. My wife and I climbed a 40 foot wall out of a cave with rope and carabiner when we were in our 20's, and she was pregnant at the time. There is a rock climbing wall built where I live that kids climb all the time. I even posted a photograph of hundreds of people climbing a 30 foot wall. Since you are too dumb to learn, this conversation is over.

OTH -- there were 20 Army Rangers that FAILED to scale most of the Prototype wall demonstrations.. It's not something you can sink lines into.. Certainly not "unescorted minors"...

 

[toobfreak]

What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

You cannot consider "human cost" in controlling illegal immigration. A nation's borders must be controlled, enforced at any cost, otherwise you don't have a viable nation. As soon as you consider human cost, you defeat yourself by setting a threshold that now illegals know that if they go over, they will get in. Therefore, one cannot allow human cost to be a factor, indeed, the higher the cost the better, because as soon as illegals realize that the potential costs of entering far outweigh the potential benefits, THEY WILL STOP COMING.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

Yeah, your "deep concern" for fellow human beings you've never laid eyes on, much less ever done a fucking thing for. You're right that we don't understand. In the real world, saying, "I'm concerned. No, really, I care!" does not make it so.

That is called compassion. Try reading the Bible assuming you are able to read. It says nothing about Americans.

No, that is called lazy-assed virtue signaling. Nowhere in the Bible does it advise us to blat loudly about how "caring" we are, while doing fuck-all to actually help anyone.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What's inhumane about it?

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

And WE want people to stay in their own damned countries until they're given permission to come here. We already get the fact that you don't give a shit about us OR them, or anything except for feeling superior without having to deal with any of the consequences.

 

[Flopper]

They're not illegal because no court has found them guilty of anything. The question is not whether they should stay or not but whether they should be treated humanely and remain with their parents until the court acts.

Since they are essentially jailed until that time, like anyone else who is arrested for a crime, you are suggesting that the children ALSO be jailed, to "remain with their parents".

Like everything you say, it's ludicrous and stupid.

First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained. Immigration does not jail people they detain them. The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything. Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty. The normal procedure is to keep children with their parents. The new procedure is to take the kids away from their parents promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement which of course denies them due process of law. This is an incredibly stupid move on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

I don't think so. I think those are the kinds of policies that got him elected.

Trump was elected because the voters couldn't stand to vote for Clinton. I doubt that there are many Trump voters that approve of treating children like this and using them as political pawns. There is certainly a "basket of deplorables" among Trump voters but not the majority.

According to Pew Research, 80% of all voters say undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay legally and 60% of Trump supporters agree.
Trump voters want to build the wall, but are more divided on other immigration questions

Well much like last presidential election, let's hope Trump once ignores the polls and sticks to reality.

If you want to use Hillary as the excuse why Trump won, fine with me, but that doesn't explain how he beat out twelve other Republican candidates for the nomination. They all pretty much had the same message except for Trump. All the others were pretty passive on immigration except Trump who took an exact opposite stand on the issue.

So I'll stick to believing that many Americans are on my side instead of what the polls say. If it's one thing I've learned about polls the last several years, it's that they are created to try and get people what to think instead of telling us what people think.

Betting against the polls is like betting against House. You'll win occasional but in the long run, you'll lose. Gallup correctly picked 80% of presidential elections since WWII.

 

[flacaltenn]

Terrorizing children is not inhumane? You are the rabid animal and are as bad as MS-13.

terrorism
[ter-uh-riz-uh m]

noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

the definition of terrorism

Now which one of these things are happening to these children? These kids are sent to live with relatives (if they have some living here) or to shelters where they are well cared for, fed until full, and given medical care if needed. They are showered, given snacks between meals, clean clothing and are enjoying high definition cartoons on big screens.

If that's what you consider terrorism, I'm sure there are at least a billion kids in other countries who wish they were so terrorized.

Many of these children are dragged away from their parents screaming on terror. All 3 definitions describe what you and Trump want. You really think you can replace their parents. They are put into a foster care system that already does not work.

Now you're just making shit up. It's not foster care. It's immigration detention. Where disease and bad guys can harm you... You want PRIVATE rooms with TVs and a fridge?

We want humane facilities for families while their status is determined. We already get the fact you are stupid.

Give us an example of a human facility of the size and scope and for the same types of *immigrants* that the left has invited to our border.

You know, facilities that will *hold* families safely while trying to figure out who the fuck they are and where they came from and whether or not they are murderers or rapists or terrorists on the run.

Let's see an example of the sort of facility you want us to emulate.

Pretty sure what BusyBee and Coyote have in mind would look like this.. But with a Welcome to America banner draped elegantly from the front Promenade.

 

[Flopper]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

American have been asked time and again by different polling services how they feel about amnesty and deportation.
They overwhelming support amnesty and oppose deportation and building a wall
Immigration

 

[Vandalshandle]

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

Tell me again how illegal aliens are going to have their pregnant wife and five year old kid climb down a 30 foot rope, dishonest loser

One last time. they can, and do, go over, under, around, and through walls. If you can not grasp that, than just build your wall all the way to China and to Africa. And airplanes fly higher than 30 feet high. or just walk through the tunnels under Nogales. My wife and I climbed a 40 foot wall out of a cave with rope and carabiner when we were in our 20's, and she was pregnant at the time. There is a rock climbing wall built where I live that kids climb all the time. I even posted a photograph of hundreds of people climbing a 30 foot wall. Since you are too dumb to learn, this conversation is over.

OTH -- there were 20 Army Rangers that FAILED to scale most of the Prototype wall demonstrations.. It's not something you can sink lines into.. Certainly not "unescorted minors"...

Well, Trump told us that they are like professional mountain climbers, and I am SURE that he would not have said that unless it was true!

 

[Norman]

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I'm part of that larger Hispanic community, and all this is resonating the same way with me now, as it did when I heard Trump's speech about Mexico not sending us their best. It got me to vote for him, as it did for Hispanics, and races all across America.

You still don't get it that keeping illegal aliens out, is what we Americans (all of us) want ?

Actually that is not true. Americans overwhelmingly support amnesty for illegals and DACA recipients.

American have been asked time and again by different polling services how they feel about amnesty and deportation.
They overwhelming support amnesty and oppose deportation and building a wall
Immigration

The democrat party, who wants to destroy this country may think so.

This poll must have been conducted at CNN headquarters. It's time to build that wall and make America great.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since they are essentially jailed until that time, like anyone else who is arrested for a crime, you are suggesting that the children ALSO be jailed, to "remain with their parents".

Like everything you say, it's ludicrous and stupid.

First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained. Immigration does not jail people they detain them. The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything. Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty. The normal procedure is to keep children with their parents. The new procedure is to take the kids away from their parents promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement which of course denies them due process of law. This is an incredibly stupid move on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

I don't think so. I think those are the kinds of policies that got him elected.

Trump was elected because the voters couldn't stand to vote for Clinton. I doubt that there are many Trump voters that approve of treating children like this and using them as political pawns. There is certainly a "basket of deplorables" among Trump voters but not the majority.

According to Pew Research, 80% of all voters say undocumented immigrants should be allowed to stay legally and 60% of Trump supporters agree.
Trump voters want to build the wall, but are more divided on other immigration questions

Well much like last presidential election, let's hope Trump once ignores the polls and sticks to reality.

If you want to use Hillary as the excuse why Trump won, fine with me, but that doesn't explain how he beat out twelve other Republican candidates for the nomination. They all pretty much had the same message except for Trump. All the others were pretty passive on immigration except Trump who took an exact opposite stand on the issue.

So I'll stick to believing that many Americans are on my side instead of what the polls say. If it's one thing I've learned about polls the last several years, it's that they are created to try and get people what to think instead of telling us what people think.

Betting against the polls is like betting against House. You'll win occasional but in the long run, you'll lose. Gallup correctly picked 80% of presidential elections since WWII.

Maybe, but I have the pleasure of working with hundreds of different people every week, not one that I'm aware of holds that same opinion or result you or your poll claim, and mind you I live up north where the immigration impact is minimum.

I remember a few years back when Bill O' was interviewing a poll analyst. He said that pollsters don't use false results, they use desired results. For instance, let's say they wanted to show that people were behind green energy, the question to the participants would be something like this:

"Would you like to see less air and water pollution, and save our planet from catastrophic events, or not?"

Well, what idiot would like say "or not?" Then they go out and report that most Americans are behind electric cars or solar panels.

Look at our economy today. Trump accomplished the lowest black unemployment rate in history. We have the lowest overall unemployment in many years. Stock market is doing fine, and more jobs are likely to be on the way. Yet the polls have Trump barely over the halfway mark when it comes to economic approval and some with overall approval below the halfway mark.

So ask yourself: If everything going on today were taking place under Hillary, what do you suppose those poll numbers would be reporting?

 

[Kondor3]

...First of all nobody is being put in jail. They are being detained...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...Immigration does not jail people they detain them...

They may consider themselves fortunate; at least, until the present day.

...The children will not be charged or found guilty of anything...

True. However, their parents are now being processed as criminals under 8 U.S. Code § 1325 ( Improper entry by alien ). Suspects do not have rights for joint housing.

...Most of the parents will be charged with unlawful presence, a civil offence with no penalty...

Until the present day. Now, adult Illegal Alien trespassers are being evaluated for both criminal and civil charges under 8 U.S. Code § 1325, which says, in part:

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts:
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.​

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties:
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.​

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325​

...The normal former historical procedure of convenience is was to keep children with their parents...

Fixed.

...The new procedure is to take the kids away from their Illegal Alien criminal-trespass parents...

Fixed.

...promising that they will be united with their children if they sign a voluntary deportation agreement...

Excellent tactic to reduce clutter in the Immigration Courts... phukking brilliant... and entirely voluntary.

...which of course denies them due process of law...

Incorrect. This is tantamount to a Plea Bargain, which lets Illegal Alien criminal-trespass offenders off-the-hook cheaply and easily. Win-Win. Grand idea.

They are very welcome to undergo criminal-trespass hearings and trial if they choose. That's entirely up to them. Frankly, the US is letting them off the hook.

...This is an incredibly stupid move...

This is an incredibly brilliant move; cutting the Gordian Knot and telling Progressives to go phukk themselves on this topic.

...on the part of the Orange Clown which will just turn more people against his policies.

Say what you will about the Imperial Cheeto, but the philosophical battle lines were drawn on this subject on November 8, 2016. You(r side) lost.

Perhaps when the concept pierces your thick skulls, that being seen standing alongside Illegal Aliens rather than your own fellow countrymen is "impolitic" and "unwise", you will have begun the long journey back towards political power and control of government. But you Lefties are not well-known for your adaptability and pragmatism.

 

[kaz]

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

Then you should be happy we are doing it.

My concern for my fellow human beings is more important than political gain……..oh never mind . You’re a conservative. I doubt you’d understand.

So much for your lie that you support having a southern border. That's been your go to argument that you're not 100% Democrat on every position. Poof, it's gone now. When the rubber hits the road, you support the Democrat party no matter what their position is. And you can dispense with the faux claim you're taking the high road

 

[Pop23]

What makes you believe that as Hispanics become more affluent over time, they are different than whites are and they will continue to support importing low class poor Mexican criminals to overflow our jails, schools, medical centers and welfare rolls? You're a racist?

That's something they don't consider. The left has a hard time putting themselves in others shoes.

If I'm going to try and get into a country where I'm clearly a minority, and I understand some may not want me, the best thing I can do is be impressive as all hell that white people are a good thing for their society. I'm going to want to show them I'm great, and want every other white person who comes there with me to demonstrate the same thing.

The last thing I would do is welcome or support whites who could care less about their laws, cost them billions of dollars, criminal whites, and gang whites. I don't want them nowhere near this new country that has graciously accepted me.

Yep. Vandal has no idea how high 30 feet is either. Even the majority of guys would balk at scaling down a 30 foot rope themselves much less sending their 5 year old and pregnant wife down the rope

Another uneducated clown who has never been down here. You think that a 30 foot wall is going to stop someone who is willing to walk 100 miles through the most inhospitable desert in the USA in 105 degree temperature with only enough food and water to last one day? We find 300 dead illegals per year in AZ who died from exposure, many who had no shoes, while walking through cactus and snake infested desert for days.

You realize you just answered why the children should be taken from SOB’s that would do that to them, right?

I think that anyone who would traumatize children for their parent's sins should not be allowed to raise them, and these days, that pretty much defines trumpettes.

So you’re good with parents doing what would normally be considered abuse to their children.

And who are you to say anyone else shouldn’t raise children?

 

[kaz]

Try climbing over a 30 foot wall with a ladder.

Oh, and take your family with you ...

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

Don't quit your day job

 

[kaz]

Not a problem. Pull an 18 wheeler up next to the wall, and put a 15 foot ladder on top of it, and a robe ladder on the other side.

You guys don't really think these things through very much, do you?

If they did any thinking at all they wouldn’t be conservatives.

It is puzzling….the political downside to this is so gigantic and these dumbasses do not realize it.



Nobody will listen to that of course. According to EJO, 1 out of 4 American kids is Hispanic. Not illegal aliens, American kids.

When Trump and his gang lock up the adults and forcibly separate their kids, do these conservatives really think that this isn’t going to resonate negatively with the larger Hispanic community? It won’t be pretty for Conservatives going forward.

I like your erroneous assumption that the "Hispanic community", defined as citizens and legal residents, feel a huge amount of identification with and sympathy for people who jump the line and come here illegally. Not everyone is the racist bigot you are, thinking of themselves and others as JUST their racial/ethnic group.

Tell you what: YOU go with your line of coddling and crying over lawbreakers, and we'll go with our line of enforcing the law and protecting the border, and we'll each worry about our own fallout, rather than this faux "This would be best for you, no really" bullshit, as though I really think you're concerned about protecting the GOP.

The GOP needs to be destroyed. That is the only way to save the GOP.

Hispanic voters will remember this. Illegal immigration is one thing…the illegals should be deported. There is a process; they should respect the process barring any special circumstances.

Hard and fast policies of ripping kids from their mother’s arms is just a function of a heartless administration.

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So your get out of jail free card for being a criminal is to take a kid with you. You're a real humanitarian, you are ...

 

[Coyote]

What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

You cannot consider "human cost" in controlling illegal immigration. A nation's borders must be controlled, enforced at any cost, otherwise you don't have a viable nation. As soon as you consider human cost, you defeat yourself by setting a threshold that now illegals know that if they go over, they will get in. Therefore, one cannot allow human cost to be a factor, indeed, the higher the cost the better, because as soon as illegals realize that the potential costs of entering far outweigh the potential benefits, THEY WILL STOP COMING.

Costs are always a factor and in a civilized society human costs matter. We could just act like ISIS and no doubt illegal immigration would come to a screeching halt.