What If....Roosevelt Was Pro-America?

[Camp]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

 

[Camp]

Today's lesson in 'what if' history is how the absence of Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have changed world history.....for the better.

Unlike what is taught in government school...every statement I make is documented and sourced.



1. There can be no argument about FDR's pro-dictatorship proclivities. He raced to embrace Stalin's Bolsheviks when no previous President nor Sec'y of State would deign to do so.

a. "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath"by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.

Let's look at the biased and subjective opinion being touted as a "fact" that can not be argued. As usual, the OP insist that her subjective opinion is a fact.
Hoover put the US in The Great Depression. FDR got us out of it. The OP wants to accept that Hoover's foolish refusal to renew relations with the USSR like other western countries were doing is somehow a positive reflection on his failed administration OP opinions, not facts as the OP claims. .

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....


5. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.Edgar B. Nixon(Editor)



Of course, his greatest warmth was reserved for Joseph Stalin

 

[Camp]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....


5. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.Edgar B. Nixon(Editor)



Of course, his greatest warmth was reserved for Joseph Stalin

Distort all you want, there is one fact you can not escape from. The USSR spent 10 million lives of Soviet troops destroying a huge portion of the Nazi war machine, including millions of German troops before America landed troops at Normandy June 6,1944. FDR was a genius for manipulating and supporting Stalin and the USSR into fighting the hardest and most costly part of WWII.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....

Guess who was in the same tree with Adolph....

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

 

[PoliticalChic]

Today's lesson in 'what if' history is how the absence of Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have changed world history.....for the better.

Unlike what is taught in government school...every statement I make is documented and sourced.



1. There can be no argument about FDR's pro-dictatorship proclivities. He raced to embrace Stalin's Bolsheviks when no previous President nor Sec'y of State would deign to do so.

a. "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath"by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.

Let's look at the biased and subjective opinion being touted as a "fact" that can not be argued. As usual, the OP insist that her subjective opinion is a fact.
Hoover put the US in The Great Depression. FDR got us out of it. The OP wants to accept that Hoover's foolish refusal to renew relations with the USSR like other western countries were doing is somehow a positive reflection on his failed administration OP opinions, not facts as the OP claims. .

"Hoover put the US in The Great Depression. FDR got us out of it."

He did no such thing.

1. While running on a platform of reversing what Hoover did....


a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.


Can we let that sink in? Franklin Delano Roosevelt...budget wonk....balance the budget....stop the deficits....do what Republican Harding did!!!

What a good fiscal conservative this guy would have been!!

Then he was elected....a fatal development.
He unbalanced the budget even further.



Know what 'mendacity' means?

Take a moment....look it up.

2. Rather than end the recession as Harding did....in about a year.....
Roosevelt extended it for a decade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....


5. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.Edgar B. Nixon(Editor)



Of course, his greatest warmth was reserved for Joseph Stalin

Distort all you want, there is one fact you can not escape from. The USSR spent 10 million lives of Soviet troops destroying a huge portion of the Nazi war machine, including millions of German troops before America landed troops at Normandy June 6,1944. FDR was a genius for manipulating and supporting Stalin and the USSR into fighting the hardest and most costly part of WWII.

"Distort all you want, there is one fact you can not escape from. The USSR spent 10 million lives of Soviet troops destroying a huge portion of the Nazi war machine,..."


Watch this:

It was Stalin who killed the millions of Russian soldiers.
1. "In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." The shear weight of numbers eventually drove the Germans back, along with the Soviet leadership's determination not to relent, whatever the cost." Georgy Zhukov hero file


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

2. The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, havinggone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin"and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcebly repatritated between 1944 and 1947."
"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by JuliusEpstein p.27, 53.



3. 'World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat. More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. '
"The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.
The Soviet Union killed more than twenty million men, women and children.


4. Former USSR leader Joseph Stalin is estimated to have killed millions of people for various reasons. Reports from the Soviet archives show prisoners under Stalin's regime who were executed either for political or criminal offences. Around 158,000 soldiers were also executed for deserting the war. http://www.ask.com/question/why-did-stalin-kill-so-many-people



5. "Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin"
Major Soviet Paper Says 20 Million Died As Victims of Stalin


I destroy you every time, huh?

Fish in a barrel.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How's that, boyyyyeeeeeee???

That sounds pretty insane

Adolf invaded the USSR with 6 million soldiers, what do you think he would have done with 6 million troops (not to mention all the oil and captured factories) if he had won?

I guess you would be speaking German now....

OMG!!!!


No one with an education believes that Hitler would have defeated Stalin.


Here are the facts:
1. .. when Operation Barbarossa started on June 22, 1941,the available (German) supplies of fuel, tires, spare parts etc., were only good enough for about two months.....

Stalin, in fact, had been supplying resources to Hitler.

The Wehrmacht continued to advance, albeitvery slowly, and by mid-November some units found themselves at only 30 kilometers from the capital. But the troops were now totally exhausted, and running out of supplies. Their commanders knew that it was simply impossible to take Moscow.
Hitler s Failed Blitzkrieg against the Soviet Union. The Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Turning Point of World War II Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
72 Years Ago, December 1941: Turning Point of World War II
'The Victory of the Red Army in front of Moscow was a Major Break'…
by Jacques Pauwels



By attacking in June,Hitler had planned to avoid Russia's three greatest generals....December, January, and February.
He didn't.



"....realistically middle sizedGermany could not defeat the much larger Ussr in the long term. Germany would have eventually surrendered to the western allies to prevent total occupation by the USSR ..."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence(comment)



11. "Between June 22, 1941, and January 31, 1942, the Germans had lost 6,000 airplanes and more than 3,200 tanks and similar vehicles; and no less than 918,000 men had been killed, wounded, or gone missing in action, amounting to 28.7 percent of the average strength of the army, namely, 3,2 million men.[33]

(In the Soviet Union, Germany would lose no less than 10 million of its total 13.5 million men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner during the entire war; andthe Red Army would end up claiming credit for 90 per cent of all Germans killedin the Second World War.)
Clive Ponting, 'Armageddon: The Second World War,' p. 130; Stephen E. Ambrose 'Americans at War,' p. 72. ”



You feel stupid, don't you.

 

[rightwinger]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

No....pro-America means individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

All of which Franklin Roosevelt opposed.


Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Pro-American means doing what needs to be done for We the People

Even it it eviscerates the United States Constitution?

That seems to be the basis of what passes for thought by you Leftists.




"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

Our constitution is in good hands

If you think anything FDR did was unconstitutional, our court system is open to you

Even Nazi sympathizers like Frau Braun have access to our courts......isn't our constitution great?

Gads, you're a dolt this morning.

In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 65.


Now....tell the truth...don't you wish you were better educated, so as to do a better job defending you god, Roosevelt?

Don't you?

New Deal policies have been going strong for 80 years........those are the ones you are whining about.

Coal is going out on its own

 

[rightwinger]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....


5. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.Edgar B. Nixon(Editor)



Of course, his greatest warmth was reserved for Joseph Stalin

Distort all you want, there is one fact you can not escape from. The USSR spent 10 million lives of Soviet troops destroying a huge portion of the Nazi war machine, including millions of German troops before America landed troops at Normandy June 6,1944. FDR was a genius for manipulating and supporting Stalin and the USSR into fighting the hardest and most costly part of WWII.

That is why Frau Braun wanted FDR to let the Nazis win

 

[Camp]

[


I destroy you every time, huh?

No, you just confirmed that Stalin and the USSR destroyed a huge portion of the Nazi war machine. You are just critical of the means used by Stalin to do it. The end result was that the USA won WWII and saved western Europe. Check it out, it was in all the papers. That was the priority and FDR did not really bother being concerned about how Stalin and the USSR destroyed most of the Nazi war machine before landing troops onto European soil. Saving the lives of millions of American GI's doesn't seem to be something of value to you.

 

[rightwinger]

[


I destroy you every time, huh?

No, you just confirmed that Stalin and the USSR destroyed a huge portion of the Nazi war machine. You are just critical of the means used by Stalin to do it. The end result was that the USA won WWII and saved western Europe. Check it out, it was in all the papers. That was the priority and FDR did not really bother being concerned about how Stalin and the USSR destroyed most of the Nazi war machine before landing troops onto European soil. Saving the lives of millions of American GI's doesn't seem to be something of value to you.

Frau Braun is still pouting over the demise of the Third Reich

 

[Jantje_Smit]

OMG!!!!


No one with an education believes that Hitler would have defeated Stalin.

You feel stupid, don't you.

Too bad you cultists don't do irony

Hitler came very close to defeating Stalin and since we're playing what if, maybe he would have succeeded if FDR hadn't supported Stalin.

Funny how you quote this

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile,leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.

And then say

No one with an education believes that Hitler would have defeated Stalin.

So, you're quoting people without an education and you still expect people to take you seriously?

 

[Camp]

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.
'

Another gross distortion and one having a special kicker with it. Manly was a pen name used by the hardcore libertarian and isolationist anti-FDR owner of the Chicago Tribune. Under the name of Manly, Rainbow Five, the War Departments contingency plans for a war in Europe were emblazoned on the front page of the Tribune three days on Dec. 4, three days before Pearl Harbor. Hitler used it in his Declaration of War against the US as proof that the US intended to attack Germany.
BTW, the religious aspect of the agreement was specifically effected Americans working and living in the USSR. Up until the agreement they were not allowed freedom to worship. After the agreement they were.

 

[PoliticalChic]

'Dictatorship' on his wishlist?

You betcha'!

6. And FDR yearned to lord it over the businessmen of America, whose success he was never able to emulate......or even approach.


Franklin Roosevelt came from a very wealthy family, so one may puzzle at the vituperation he leveled at similar folks. Perhaps that very background is the reason, as he never learned how business worked, or how to earn money.

His mother Sara reported: "Money was never discussed at home....All his books and toys were provided for him. We never subjected the boy to a lot of don'ts."
"BEFORE THE TRUMPET: Young Franklin Roosevelt, 1882-1905," by Geoffrey C. Ward, p.125-126


a. Then again...how could they teach him about finance, after all, his father, James, inherited his fortune...and almost lost it by way of poor investments. His mother's father, Warren Delano, made his money selling opium illegally to Chinese addicts. When he retired to legitimate business, he didn't do much better than Franklin's father. Delano went back to the Opium trade, which is why Sara spent early years in China.
Ward, Op. Cit., p. 71.



Medial summary?

Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral hatred of capitalism and successful capitalists.
On the obverse, a fondness, and acceptance of the acts....no matter how homicidal.....of dictators.


Next.....how the above resulted in his foreign policy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.

The OP is full of distortions and subjectivity. Roosevelt's decision to return to diplomatic relations with the USSR was a pragmatic one. He came into office four years into the Great Depression and business people were insisting that trade agreements with the USSR were needed for economic reasons. Being pals with Stalin had nothing to do with it. The Soviets owed huge debts that would not be repaid and trade could not resume unless relations were reestablished.
The statement that indicates no one saw a war on the horizon shows a lack of historical knowledge. There were those that saw a future war coming immediately after the Armistice was signed following WWI. War had been predicted in published works of the 1920's, particularly with Japan. Japan and Russia had a history of warfare and it was being predicted that USSR would be a key in defeating Japan in the predicted war.

Adolph and Franklin, sittin' in a tree.....


5. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’


Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.


In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.Edgar B. Nixon(Editor)



Of course, his greatest warmth was reserved for Joseph Stalin

Distort all you want, there is one fact you can not escape from. The USSR spent 10 million lives of Soviet troops destroying a huge portion of the Nazi war machine, including millions of German troops before America landed troops at Normandy June 6,1944. FDR was a genius for manipulating and supporting Stalin and the USSR into fighting the hardest and most costly part of WWII.

That is why Frau Braun wanted FDR to let the Nazis win

And again.....more proof that I have wounded you......terminally?.....with the truth that I have provided.

Excellent.


Stalin taught Leftist to claim any who speak the truth about Leftists, like you, scream that they are fascists and Nazis.

And sure enough......your post.



"More broadly, fascism may be defined as any totalitarian regime which does not aim at the nationalization of industry but preserves at least nominal private property.The term can even be extended to any dictatorship that has become unfashionable among intellectuals.....

" Middle-class Americans,educated enough to understand that it's uncouth to say anything against Communism, call if "fascism."]

When the Soviet Union and People's China had a falling out in the 1960s, they each promptly discovered that the other fraternal socialist country was not merely capitalist but "fascist."

At the most vulgar level,"fascist" is a handy swear-word for such hated figures as Rush Limbaugh or John Ashcroft who, whatever their faults, are as remote from historical Fascism as anyone in public life today."

The Mystery of Fascism

by David Ramsay Steele
The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele


Gotcha again, huh?




Hence, your slander "Frau Braun"

 

[Camp]

'Dictatorship' on his wishlist?

You betcha'!

6. And FDR yearned to lord it over the businessmen of America, whose success he was never able to emulate......or even approach.


Franklin Roosevelt came from a very wealthy family, so one may puzzle at the vituperation he leveled at similar folks. Perhaps that very background is the reason, as he never learned how business worked, or how to earn money.

His mother Sara reported: "Money was never discussed at home....All his books and toys were provided for him. We never subjected the boy to a lot of don'ts."
"BEFORE THE TRUMPET: Young Franklin Roosevelt, 1882-1905," by Geoffrey C. Ward, p.125-126


a. Then again...how could they teach him about finance, after all, his father, James, inherited his fortune...and almost lost it by way of poor investments. His mother's father, Warren Delano, made his money selling opium illegally to Chinese addicts. When he retired to legitimate business, he didn't do much better than Franklin's father. Delano went back to the Opium trade, which is why Sara spent early years in China.
Ward, Op. Cit., p. 71.



Medial summary?

Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral hatred of capitalism and successful capitalists.
On the obverse, a fondness, and acceptance of the acts....no matter how homicidal.....of dictators.


Next.....how the above resulted in his foreign policy.

Your knowledge and understanding of FDR is beyond shallow. Roosevelt did not hate or even object to capitalism. He objected to welfare and special privileges given to the upper classes, which he was born into. The point of the NEW DEAL was that specific areas of the wealth in an economy should and could be shared with the masses and that simply being born into wealth was not an excuse for obscene manipulation of the economy to allow the undeserving to live those lives of obscene lives luxury at the cost of shoeless starving children and the masses living in poverty. FDR believed the wealthy should earn their money without the use of government support and resources and believed the nation's wealth could be shared at the same time deserving business owners and industry could profit.
Over eighty years after the NEW DEAL America is still reaping the benefits of the NEW DEAL..

 

[PoliticalChic]

'Dictatorship' on his wishlist?

You betcha'!

6. And FDR yearned to lord it over the businessmen of America, whose success he was never able to emulate......or even approach.


Franklin Roosevelt came from a very wealthy family, so one may puzzle at the vituperation he leveled at similar folks. Perhaps that very background is the reason, as he never learned how business worked, or how to earn money.

His mother Sara reported: "Money was never discussed at home....All his books and toys were provided for him. We never subjected the boy to a lot of don'ts."
"BEFORE THE TRUMPET: Young Franklin Roosevelt, 1882-1905," by Geoffrey C. Ward, p.125-126


a. Then again...how could they teach him about finance, after all, his father, James, inherited his fortune...and almost lost it by way of poor investments. His mother's father, Warren Delano, made his money selling opium illegally to Chinese addicts. When he retired to legitimate business, he didn't do much better than Franklin's father. Delano went back to the Opium trade, which is why Sara spent early years in China.
Ward, Op. Cit., p. 71.



Medial summary?

Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral hatred of capitalism and successful capitalists.
On the obverse, a fondness, and acceptance of the acts....no matter how homicidal.....of dictators.


Next.....how the above resulted in his foreign policy.

Your knowledge and understanding of FDR is beyond shallow. Roosevelt did not hate or even object to capitalism. He objected to welfare and special privileges given to the upper classes, which he was born into. The point of the NEW DEAL was that specific areas of the wealth in an economy should and could be shared with the masses and that simply being born into wealth was not an excuse for obscene manipulation of the economy to allow the undeserving to live those lives of obscene lives luxury at the cost of shoeless starving children and the masses living in poverty. FDR believed the wealthy should earn their money without the use of government support and resources and believed the nation's wealth could be shared at the same time deserving business owners and industry could profit.

You're not just a fool....you're a lying fool.

1. Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral animosity toward businessmen, entrepreneurs, successful capitalists. And he had a way with words, in describing them. "unscrupulousmoney changers..." the greed and shortsightedness of bankers and businessmen," "..rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence" "we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." "there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing."

Wow! What the heck was that about? He was besmirching his fellow Americans, many of whom were responsible for the progress of society.


Then he had to suck up to them....

2. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26, 1940


And all the while.....throwing kisses to Joseph Stalin.



Time for you to admit that I know the subject inside and out....
...and you, simply full of unrequited love for FDR, and hot air.

 

[Camp]

'Dictatorship' on his wishlist?

You betcha'!

6. And FDR yearned to lord it over the businessmen of America, whose success he was never able to emulate......or even approach.


Franklin Roosevelt came from a very wealthy family, so one may puzzle at the vituperation he leveled at similar folks. Perhaps that very background is the reason, as he never learned how business worked, or how to earn money.

His mother Sara reported: "Money was never discussed at home....All his books and toys were provided for him. We never subjected the boy to a lot of don'ts."
"BEFORE THE TRUMPET: Young Franklin Roosevelt, 1882-1905," by Geoffrey C. Ward, p.125-126


a. Then again...how could they teach him about finance, after all, his father, James, inherited his fortune...and almost lost it by way of poor investments. His mother's father, Warren Delano, made his money selling opium illegally to Chinese addicts. When he retired to legitimate business, he didn't do much better than Franklin's father. Delano went back to the Opium trade, which is why Sara spent early years in China.
Ward, Op. Cit., p. 71.



Medial summary?

Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral hatred of capitalism and successful capitalists.
On the obverse, a fondness, and acceptance of the acts....no matter how homicidal.....of dictators.


Next.....how the above resulted in his foreign policy.

Your knowledge and understanding of FDR is beyond shallow. Roosevelt did not hate or even object to capitalism. He objected to welfare and special privileges given to the upper classes, which he was born into. The point of the NEW DEAL was that specific areas of the wealth in an economy should and could be shared with the masses and that simply being born into wealth was not an excuse for obscene manipulation of the economy to allow the undeserving to live those lives of obscene lives luxury at the cost of shoeless starving children and the masses living in poverty. FDR believed the wealthy should earn their money without the use of government support and resources and believed the nation's wealth could be shared at the same time deserving business owners and industry could profit.

You're not just a fool....you're a lying fool.

1. Franklin Roosevelt had a visceral animosity toward businessmen, entrepreneurs, successful capitalists. And he had a way with words, in describing them. "unscrupulousmoney changers..." the greed and shortsightedness of bankers and businessmen," "..rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence" "we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit." "there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing."

Wow! What the heck was that about? He was besmirching his fellow Americans, many of whom were responsible for the progress of society.
.

That was about putting the nation's welfare and social values before profiteering. He was telling the industrialist that values were more important than monetary profit sometimes, but especially when the nation was in crisis.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. In an unending need and desire to win the approval of Joseph Stalin, Franklin Roosevelt made certain that no Allied agencies aided or even dealt with the anti-Hitler/anti-communist German Underground.

And, yes....there was an extensive one.


In every other country involved in the war, Allies aided and supplied their resistance movements...but as Stalin demanded that Germany be powerless after the war....so as not to impede the march of communism.....Roosevelt bowed to those commands.


What if the entreaties of the German resistance had been received, and acted on, say....mid-1942.....and supported a coup against Hitler? After all, that was the reason for the contacts by Wilhelm Canaris, Franz von Papen, Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning, and many others....as early as 1937?

What was the actual cost of allowing the war to go on for several years more than necessary?

"....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died – a startling figure today – between D day[June 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich?



135,000 more American soldiers, sons, fathers, brothers..
...who would never be celebrated, welcomed home as heroes,
....would have danced in Times Square.....


Plus 20,000 American G.I.s that Stalin refused.......refused.....to repatriate after the war.


But, look......for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, it was Russia "Über Alles"