What If....Roosevelt Was Pro-America?

[Moonglow]

Hoover put in place a tariff...

But refused to embrace Stalin and Soviet Communism....

Roosevelt did.

So, Hoover was a monarchist, what do you expect? A real Metternichist, at heart and believed in maintaining the balance of European power....Put in place after the defeat and exile of Napoleon...

 

[PoliticalChic]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

No....pro-America means individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

All of which Franklin Roosevelt opposed.


Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Pro-American means doing what needs to be done for We the People

Even it it eviscerates the United States Constitution?

That seems to be the basis of what passes for thought by you Leftists.




"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

 

[Moonglow]

Hoover put in place a tariff...

But it was a republican tariff so that makes it all OK.

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Now you are getting seriously mentally challenged...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Had Hoover not screwed up so bad, FDR would have never been elected, but.....

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?


More will follow.
The premise is undeniable.

Well your generalizing about recognizing communist nations when it was Nixon who flew to China to get trade deals going...It was Reagan who lobbied Congress for China to be put on most favored nation status to increase trading and technology exchange....So FDR did it to the Soviets for the same reason, business interest because big business people , like Grandpa Koch wanted to frack the oil fields of USSR, cause business in the USA was causing him to go bankrupt...you leave out many details in your race to condemn a good man, one you could not measure up to...

So....we stipulate that everything in the OP is accurate and correct?

Excellent.

 

[Moonglow]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

No....pro-America means individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

All of which Franklin Roosevelt opposed.


Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Pro-American means doing what needs to be done for We the People

Even it it eviscerates the United States Constitution?

That seems to be the basis of what passes for thought by you Leftists.




"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

So Anne thinks that the GOP is losers?

 

[Moonglow]

Had Hoover not screwed up so bad, FDR would have never been elected, but.....

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?


More will follow.
The premise is undeniable.

Well your generalizing about recognizing communist nations when it was Nixon who flew to China to get trade deals going...It was Reagan who lobbied Congress for China to be put on most favored nation status to increase trading and technology exchange....So FDR did it to the Soviets for the same reason, business interest because big business people , like Grandpa Koch wanted to frack the oil fields of USSR, cause business in the USA was causing him to go bankrupt...you leave out many details in your race to condemn a good man, one you could not measure up to...

So....we stipulate that everything in the OP is accurate and correct?

Excellent.

No, it is eschewed as usual....slanted to try to slander...

 

[rightwinger]

FDR made us a modern democracy and an economic and military superpower

Greatest modern president

As Mao did for China???

Is Mao one of your heroes?


If not.....why do you support an administration that does 'honor' Mao?

Frau Braun waxing poetic about her idols

 

[rightwinger]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

No....pro-America means individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

All of which Franklin Roosevelt opposed.


Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Pro-American means doing what needs to be done for We the People

Even it it eviscerates the United States Constitution?

That seems to be the basis of what passes for thought by you Leftists.




"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

Our constitution is in good hands

If you think anything FDR did was unconstitutional, our court system is open to you

Even Nazi sympathizers like Frau Braun have access to our courts......isn't our constitution great?

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR made us a modern democracy and an economic and military superpower

Greatest modern president

As Mao did for China???

Is Mao one of your heroes?


If not.....why do you support an administration that does 'honor' Mao?

Frau Braun waxing poetic about her idols

As soon as the ignorant get pinned to the wall.....as you clearly have been.....you show the depth of your ignorance by attempting to claim you opponent is a 'Nazi'....

....never realizing that Nazi and communists are both of the Left.....
.....as you are.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

I don't care if you think FDR was a commie/nazi/liberal/whatever, I just want to know what you think should have been done instead

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

We do have goose-stepping Nazis right now; some are the rightwing nitwits on this very forum.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Now you are getting seriously mentally challenged...

Just now????

 

[rightwinger]

FDR made us a modern democracy and an economic and military superpower

Greatest modern president

As Mao did for China???

Is Mao one of your heroes?


If not.....why do you support an administration that does 'honor' Mao?

Frau Braun waxing poetic about her idols

As soon as the ignorant get pinned to the wall.....as you clearly have been.....you show the depth of your ignorance by attempting to claim you opponent is a 'Nazi'....

....never realizing that Nazi and communists are both of the Left.....
.....as you are.

It's one of your daily smack talking threads......don't want to disappoint

Now, tell us how we should have let Hitler win Frau Braun

 

[rightwinger]

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

I don't care if you think FDR was a commie/nazi/liberal/whatever, I just want to know what you think should have been done instead

Frau Braun thinks FDR should have let Hitler win

 

[PoliticalChic]

If by pro America we'd be goose stepping Nazis right now, no thanks.

No....pro-America means individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government.

All of which Franklin Roosevelt opposed.


Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

Pro-American means doing what needs to be done for We the People

Even it it eviscerates the United States Constitution?

That seems to be the basis of what passes for thought by you Leftists.




"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

Our constitution is in good hands

If you think anything FDR did was unconstitutional, our court system is open to you

Even Nazi sympathizers like Frau Braun have access to our courts......isn't our constitution great?

Gads, you're a dolt this morning.

In July 5, 1935, in a letter to Representative Samuel B. Hill of Washington, the President manifested his contempt for the Constitution. Hill was chairman of the subcommittee studying the Guffey-Vinson bill to regulate the coal industry: the purpose of the legislation was to re-establish, for the coal industry, the NRA code system which the Supreme Court had unanimously declared unconstitutional. Roosevelt wrote: "I hope your committee will not permit doubts as to constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the legislation."

This was the same Roosevelt who had sworn an oath on his 300 year old family Bible, to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 65.


Now....tell the truth...don't you wish you were better educated, so as to do a better job defending you god, Roosevelt?

Don't you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pay attention....and focus like a laser:

Is there anything in the OP that is not true and accurate?

I don't care if you think FDR was a commie/nazi/liberal/whatever, I just want to know what you think should have been done instead

"I don't care if you think FDR was a commie/nazi/liberal/whatever, I just want to know what you think should have been done instead."

Easy peasy, lemon squeezy!





1. What could, should have been done?

When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941,America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile,leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.


2. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, William Bullitt (Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Bullitt the first US ambassador to the Soviet Union, a post that he filled from 1933 to 1936.)warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalinthat formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.'

He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe;George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590


3. Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever thatit would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'

Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"



How's that, boyyyyeeeeeee???

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR made us a modern democracy and an economic and military superpower

Greatest modern president

As Mao did for China???

Is Mao one of your heroes?


If not.....why do you support an administration that does 'honor' Mao?

Frau Braun waxing poetic about her idols

As soon as the ignorant get pinned to the wall.....as you clearly have been.....you show the depth of your ignorance by attempting to claim you opponent is a 'Nazi'....

....never realizing that Nazi and communists are both of the Left.....
.....as you are.

It's one of your daily smack talking threads......don't want to disappoint

Now, tell us how we should have let Hitler win Frau Braun

Why do you want Hitler to win?????

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Frau Braun thinks FDR should have let Hitler win

I think the idea is that FDR should have declared war on Germany, the USSR, Italy and Japan (maybe the commies in China too) in september 1939 because that's what the founding fathers would have wanted.....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Today's lesson in 'what if' history is how the absence of Franklin Delano Roosevelt would have changed world history.....for the better.

Unlike what is taught in government school...every statement I make is documented and sourced.



1. There can be no argument about FDR's pro-dictatorship proclivities. He raced to embrace Stalin's Bolsheviks when no previous President nor Sec'y of State would deign to do so.

a. "Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half held to this resolve," i.e., refusal to recognize the Soviet government. That was written by Herbert Hoover, one of those four Presidents. He wrote it in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath"by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011, pg 24-29.

Seems to be the sort of thing Liberal/Progressive/Democrats do....e.g., Barack Obama's actions vis-a-vis the Castro brothers.



2. Let's end any excuse that America needed Communist Russia, possibly as an ally against Hitler: Roosevelt was pals with Hitler....and, he embraced the USSR in 1933, with no WWII on the horizon.


3. What about the promises by Stalin that he would reform?

Well, one might say that Roosevelt accepted the Soviet word that they would reform, change....

Roosevelt signed the recognition agreement: Litvinov "returned to the Soviet embassy.....all smiles....and said 'Well, it's all in the bag; we have it.'"
On September 23, 1939, Dr. D. H. Dombrowsky testified before the Dies committee.
The Winona Republican-Herald from Winona Minnesota Page 12

a.The Russians laughed about their alleged promisesof future behavior. This is the conversation that Litvinov had with staff at his embassy after the 'agreement' was signed:
"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us torecognize the debtswe owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us topromise freedom of religion inthe Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer thatI would personally collect all the Biblesand ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.




4. Clearly, more than a miscalculation....Roosevelt knew of the slaughters and genocides by the Soviet regime, this is how FDR adviser summed it up:
"...the Soviet Union, up to the present time, has been a totalitarian dictatorship in which there has been no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, and a travesty of freedom of religion; in which there has been universal fear of the O.G.P.U. [secret police] and Freedom from Want has been subordinated always to the policy of guns instead of butter."
Roosevelt ignored the facts.
.....what can be the explanation?

This:
Roosevelt yearned for the totalist powers of his pals, Mussolini, Hitler, and Stalin, enjoyed.
Make no mistake: he was on excellent terms with every one of them.


a. His New Deal was a direct copy of Mussolini's. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.

b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return to the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.


Hence...the title of the thread.....unless you believe that Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin, were 'Pro-America.'

Today’s lesson is yet another example of the ignorance and stupidity common to many on the right, as the thread premise is as idiotic as it is wrong.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

How's that, boyyyyeeeeeee???

That sounds pretty insane

Adolf invaded the USSR with 6 million soldiers, what do you think he would have done with 6 million troops (not to mention all the oil and captured factories) if he had won?

I guess you would be speaking German now....