What is being done to stop killer(s)?

[Doc91678]

If California can pull together that kind of "army" to find Dorner, why can't Illinois organize a task force to clean up Chicago? Hmmmm??? Or, the event at least begs a lot of questions as to why murderers elsewhere can't be found, arrested. tried and condemned. Seems like it's more important when police or those related to them are killed than when civilians are murdered all stops are out to make the catch.

Seems like the REAL problem is lack of justice in this nation. The privileged, the elites, Federal Officials and LEOs are first in line for justice. What about the common man? What about the principles on which this nation was founded?

Liberals prefer to disarm the honest American citizen and allow criminal to ride roughshod over those who are lawful.

 

[waltky]

Case of mistaken identity?...

Manhunt: Newspaper carrier, 71, in ICU after being shot by police
February 7, 2013 | A 71-year-old woman delivering newspapers with her daughter remained in intensive care Thursday night after she was shot twice in the back by Los Angeles police detectives during a massive manhunt for a fugitive ex-LAPD officer, according to the womens' attorney.

Emma Hernandez was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47, in Torrance early Thursday when police officers apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Jordan Dorner, the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring two others.

Hernandez was in stable condition late Thursday. The officers riddled the women's blue pickup with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue. Carranza was also hit, according to attorney Glen T. Jonas, and received stitches to a finger. "The problem with the situation is it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man," Jonas said.

Photo: Police investigators work around a blue pickup truck riddled with bullets in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance after a police protection team fired on it Thursday. The officers were protecting the neighborhood in the wake of threats against a fugitive ex-cop.

Dorner is black, 6 feet tall and weighs 270 pounds. Jonas said the women's vehicle was also "the wrong color and the wrong model" compared to Dorner's. "We trust that the LAPD will step up and do the right thing and acknowledge that what they did was unacceptable and we'll deal with it," Jonas said.

Sources said the Los Angeles police detectives involved in the Torrance shooting were on protective detail for a police official named in an online manifesto that authorities say was posted to a Facebook page they believe belongs to Dorner. "Tragically, we believe this is a case of mistaken identity," Charlie Beck, chief of the Los Angeles Police Department, told reporters earlier Thursday about the shooting.

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[bucs90]

I had to say this, but it appears the cops are about to administer "street justice" on this shitbag. But, shooting at those two women was very VERY bad, and those who did it will likely be fired and prosecuted. Huge no-no there.

But to the guy who commented about why cops go all-out when one of their own is hurt, but not for others??? Are you serious?

For one, look how the general public treats cops lately. Would YOU go "all out" for them? Cops are like any other group, they rally for their own. Do you think Army troops in Baghdad went harder after a terrorist who killed innocent Iraqis, or terrorists who killed some of their fellow troops? Duh!

 

[waltky]

Dragnet out for ex-cop, trail goes cold...

Chris Dorner's Car Found on Fire Amid Cop Shooting Rampage
7 Jan.`13 - The truck owned and driven by suspected cop killer Christopher Dorner during his alleged rampage through the Los Angeles area was found deserted and in flames on the side of Bear Mountain, Calif., this afternoon.

Heavily armed SWAT team members descended onto Bear Mountain from a helicopter manned with snipers today to investigate the fire. The San Bernadino Sheriff's Department confirmed the car was Dorner's. Dorner, a former Los Angeles police officer and Navy reservist, is believed to have killed one police officer and injured two others early this morning in Riverside, Calif. He is also accused of killing two civilians on Sunday after releasing a scathing "manifesto" alleging grievances committed by the police department while he worked for it and warning of coming violence toward cops.

Heavily armed officers spent much of Thursday searching for signs of Dorner, investigating multiple false leads into his whereabouts and broadcasting his license plate and vehicle description across the California Highway System. Around 3:45 p.m. ET, police responded to Bear Mountain, where two fires were reported, and set up a staging area in the parking lot of a ski resort. They did not immediately investigate the fires, but sent a small team of heavily armed officers up in the helicopter to descend down the mountain toward the fire.

The officers, carrying machine guns and searching the mountain for any sign of Dorner, eventually made it to the vehicle and identified it as belonging to Dorner. They have not yet found Dorner. Late this afternoon, CNN announced that Dorner had sent a package containing his manifesto and a DVD to its offices. Police officers across Southern California were on the defensive today, scaling back their public exposure, no longer responding to "barking-dog calls" and donning tactical gear outdoors.

Police departments have stationed officers in tactical gear outside police departments, stopped answering low-level calls and pulled motorcycle patrols off the road in order to protect officers who might be targets of Dorner's alleged rampage. "We've made certain modifications of our deployments, our deviations today, and I want to leave it at that, and also to our responses," said Chief Sergio Diaz of the police department in Riverside, Calif., where the officers were shot. "We are concentrating on calls for service that are of a high priority, threats to public safety, we're not going to go on barking dog calls today."

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Trail Grows Cold in Hunt for Ex-Officer Wanted in 3 Killings
February 8, 2013 — With the search for a former Los Angeles police officer wanted in three killings yielding no sign of him Friday morning in a snowy valley high in the San Bernardino Mountains, the authorities were wondering whether he had somehow managed to slip the dragnet.

The police had tried to bottle up the suspect in the resort area around Big Bear Lake, which has only a handful of access roads, and they were confident that they had him trapped. But Thursday pushed into Friday, with no trace of the former officer, Christopher J. Dorner, Mr. Dorner, 33, a former Navy reservist, who has been the target of a huge manhunt since Thursday morning, sought in connection with the shooting deaths of three people and the attempted shootings of several other police officials. A steady snowfall in the region, about 100 miles east of Los Angeles, was slowing the search Friday morning, with more in the forecast.

Sheriff John McMahon of San Bernardino County said the police had spent the night scouring the area around Mr. Dorner’s burned-out car, which had been discovered Thursday morning, and trying to follow a set of tracks in the snow that the authorities believe were made by the suspect. Officers went door to door overnight, taking special care to investigate remote cabins and other vacation homes whose owners were away, but they found nothing in any of them. “We searched all night; we did not discover any additional evidence,” Sheriff McMahon said at a news briefing on Friday morning. “We will continue searching until either we discover that he left the mountain, or we find him.” “We don’t have any evidence to suggest that he is or is not here,” he added.

For the second day in a row, local schoolchildren were getting a day off school, keeping them and their yellow buses off the mountain roads in the midst of the search. As the search continued without finding any new evidence, and the ski resort reopened, local residents and visitors alike expressed growing skepticism that Mr. Dorner was in town, if he had ever been here in the first place. Instead, many thought the pickup truck was a diversion. Cindy Johnston, who lives in San Dimas, was in the Big Bear Lake area for the weekend to ski with her family. “We’re being a little bit more careful, but that’s about it,” Ms. Johnston said. We’re keeping the kids closer together and not going out so much at night. I think he’d be stupid if he was here, and he doesn’t seem stupid. There are too many people looking for him. I think the car was a diversion.”

Mr. Dorner, who had been fired by the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008, had posted a rambling, 6,000-word manifesto on his Facebook page in which he threated to kill several police officials in retaliation for his dismissal. In it, he complained of severe depression and pledged to kill officers to avenge his dismissal for filing a false report accusing a colleague of abuse. In the note, Mr. Dorner said he had struggled to clear his name in court before resorting to violence.

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[Dubya]

If California can pull together that kind of "army" to find Dorner, why can't Illinois organize a task force to clean up Chicago? Hmmmm??? Or, the event at least begs a lot of questions as to why murderers elsewhere can't be found, arrested. tried and condemned. Seems like it's more important when police or those related to them are killed than when civilians are murdered all stops are out to make the catch.

Seems like the REAL problem is lack of justice in this nation. The privileged, the elites, Federal Officials and LEOs are first in line for justice. What about the common man? What about the principles on which this nation was founded?

Liberals prefer to disarm the honest American citizen and allow criminal to ride roughshod over those who are lawful.

I don't see the situation in Chicago changing much until Michigan, Illinois and Ohio have better gun laws. Only then will the cops be able to get the guns off the streets.

I wonder if it's possible to require gun registration in a city or do it at a state level for that matter? The renewable registration system with ballistics tests that I outlined would stop criminals from getting guns and then the cops could gang up and search someone suspected of having a gun when in public. That would get the guns off the streets and stop the killings.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I don't see the situation in Chicago changing much until Michigan, Illinois and Ohio have better gun laws. Only then will the cops be able to get the guns off the streets.

There you go. Some other States' fault.

Criminals not obeying gun laws in Illinois ........will...... once guns are illegal in Ohio.

Pure geenus.

 

[Dubya]

I don't see the situation in Chicago changing much until Michigan, Illinois and Ohio have better gun laws. Only then will the cops be able to get the guns off the streets.

There you go. Some other States' fault.

Criminals not obeying gun laws in Illinois ........will...... once guns are illegal in Ohio.

Pure geenus.

Those words are spelled out and it never says guns are illegal, fool! It says guns require renewable registration with background checks to see if you should have a gun and guns are ballistic tested so no one will want to use them in a crime. The people who own guns have to prove they still possess them and that's to keep them from selling or giving the gun to the wrong people. The gun owner is only allowed to transfer the registration when it's sold legally.

Who would want to use a gun that leaves a ballistics test trace right to their front door?

 

[PaulS1950]

Ballistic "fingerprinting doesn't work. The barrel wears over time and the ballistic markings on the bullet are very different after a short period of normal use. If you want to defeat the ballistic fingerprinting all you have to do is run a file through the barrel quickly and it is unrecognizable from a ballistics test just before. The same is true of "micro-engraving" and the other useless trace methods that have been proposed. All they do is raise the cost to manufacture the guns.

 

[OODA_Loop]

! It says guns require renewable registration with background checks to see if you should have a gun and guns are ballistic tested so no one will want to use them in a crime.

Exactly. Criminals are good about renewing registration and background checks .......plus a card file with a ballistic fingerprint is the ultimate deterrent to criminals. It is all we lack to stop violent crime.

Maybe make the index card red to show just how serious it is to the criminal.

 

[Dubya]

Ballistic "fingerprinting doesn't work. The barrel wears over time and the ballistic markings on the bullet are very different after a short period of normal use. If you want to defeat the ballistic fingerprinting all you have to do is run a file through the barrel quickly and it is unrecognizable from a ballistics test just before. The same is true of "micro-engraving" and the other useless trace methods that have been proposed. All they do is raise the cost to manufacture the guns.

I said every year, so why would it be hard to find the people trying to alter their ballistics test?

 

[Dubya]

! It says guns require renewable registration with background checks to see if you should have a gun and guns are ballistic tested so no one will want to use them in a crime.

Exactly. Criminals are good about renewing registration and background checks .......plus a card file with a ballistic fingerprint is the ultimate deterrent to criminals. It is all we lack to stop violent crime.

Maybe make the index card red to show just how serious it is to the criminal.

Criminals are good at doing time when they break the law and they aren't going to want to be on the street with an illegal gun.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Criminals are good at doing time when they break the law and they aren't going to want to be on the street with an illegal gun.

Exactly. They are on the streets with illegal guns now. Make em' double super illegal gunz.

Weapons Grade Geenus.

 

[Dubya]

Criminals are good at doing time when they break the law and they aren't going to want to be on the street with an illegal gun.

Exactly. They are on the streets with illegal guns now. Make em' double super illegal gunz.

Weapons Grade Geenus.

There is no system now to track ownership of a gun.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Criminals are good at doing time when they break the law and they aren't going to want to be on the street with an illegal gun.

Exactly. They are on the streets with illegal guns now. Make em' double super illegal gunz.

Weapons Grade Geenus.

There is no system now to track ownership of a gun.

Yes but under your brilliant plan....on the odd chance a criminal steals my gun it is registered to me. Solved = nada.

 

[Dubya]

Exactly. They are on the streets with illegal guns now. Make em' double super illegal gunz.

Weapons Grade Geenus.

There is no system now to track ownership of a gun.

Yes but under your brilliant plan....on the odd chance a criminal steals my gun it is registered to me. Solved = nada.

Burglars tend to avoid guns, because getting caught with one during a burglary is a very serious crime.

 

[OODA_Loop]

There is no system now to track ownership of a gun.

Yes but under your brilliant plan....on the odd chance a criminal steals my gun it is registered to me. Solved = nada.

Burglars tend to avoid guns, because getting caught with one during a burglary is a very serious crime.

See now I have to think you're fucking with us

or severely weeded out

or both.

 

[KissMy]

Ballistic "fingerprinting doesn't work. The barrel wears over time and the ballistic markings on the bullet are very different after a short period of normal use. If you want to defeat the ballistic fingerprinting all you have to do is run a file through the barrel quickly and it is unrecognizable from a ballistics test just before. The same is true of "micro-engraving" and the other useless trace methods that have been proposed. All they do is raise the cost to manufacture the guns.

I said every year, so why would it be hard to find the people trying to alter their ballistics test?

You have proven yourself to be a clueless idiot who watched to much CSI.

 

[Doc91678]

If California can pull together that kind of "army" to find Dorner, why can't Illinois organize a task force to clean up Chicago? Hmmmm??? Or, the event at least begs a lot of questions as to why murderers elsewhere can't be found, arrested. tried and condemned. Seems like it's more important when police or those related to them are killed than when civilians are murdered all stops are out to make the catch.

Seems like the REAL problem is lack of justice in this nation. The privileged, the elites, Federal Officials and LEOs are first in line for justice. What about the common man? What about the principles on which this nation was founded?

Liberals prefer to disarm the honest American citizen and allow criminal to ride roughshod over those who are lawful.

I don't see the situation in Chicago changing much until Michigan, Illinois and Ohio have better gun laws. Only then will the cops be able to get the guns off the streets.

I wonder if it's possible to require gun registration in a city or do it at a state level for that matter? The renewable registration system with ballistics tests that I outlined would stop criminals from getting guns and then the cops could gang up and search someone suspected of having a gun when in public. That would get the guns off the streets and stop the killings.

It does not matter if as you claim these states have "better" gun laws. Registration will be only for those legal and honest citizens and not for the criminals that have been causing all the deaths in chicago and Detroit. Disarming honest citizens only makes unarmed subjects. Presumably you are happy being a serf and subject of the government

 

[waltky]

The Abominable Snowman evades dragnet manhunt...

Hunt for ex-officer goes on amid Calif. snowstorm
Feb 8,`13 - All that was left were footprints leading away from Christopher Dorner's burned-out pickup truck, and enormous, snow-covered mountains where he could be hiding among hundreds of cabins, deep canyons and dense woods.

More than 100 officers, including SWAT teams, were driven Friday in glass-enclosed snow machines and armored personnel carriers to hunt for the former Los Angeles police officer suspected of going on a deadly rampage to get back at those he blamed for ending his police career. With bloodhounds in tow, officers went door to door as snow fell, aware to the reality they could be walking into a trap set by the well-trained former Navy reservist who knows their tactics and strategies as well as they do. "He can be behind every tree," said T. Gregory Hall, a retired tactical supervisor for a special emergency response team for the Pennsylvania State Police. "He can try to draw them into an ambush area where he backtracks."

As authorities weathered heavy snow and freezing temperatures in the mountains, thousands of heavily armed police remained on the lookout throughout California, Nevada, Arizona and northern Mexico for a suspect bent on revenge and willing to die. Police said officers still were guarding more than 40 people mentioned as targets in a rant they said Dorner posted on Facebook. He vowed to use "every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance and survival training I've been given" to bring "warfare" to the LAPD and its families.

At noon, police and U.S. marshals accompanied by computer forensics specialists used a search warrant to remove about 10 paper grocery bags of evidence from his mother's single-story house in the Orange County city of La Palma. Dorner's mother and sister cooperated with the search, a police spokesman said. The manhunt had Southern California residents on edge. Unconfirmed sightings were reported near Barstow, about 60 miles north of the mountain search, and in downtown Los Angeles. Some law enforcement officials said he appeared to be everywhere and nowhere, and speculated that he was trying to spread out their resources.

For the time being, their focus was on the mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles - a snowy wilderness, filled with thick forests and jagged peaks, that creates peril as much for Dorner as the officers hunting him. Bad weather grounded helicopters with heat-sensing technology. After the discovery of his truck Thursday afternoon, SWAT teams in camouflage started scouring the mountains. As officers worked through the night, a storm blew in, possibly covering tracks that had led them away from his truck but offering the possibility of a fresh trail to follow. "The snow is great for tracking folks as well as looking at each individual cabin to see if there's any signs of forced entry," San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said.

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[Dubya]

If California can pull together that kind of "army" to find Dorner, why can't Illinois organize a task force to clean up Chicago? Hmmmm??? Or, the event at least begs a lot of questions as to why murderers elsewhere can't be found, arrested. tried and condemned. Seems like it's more important when police or those related to them are killed than when civilians are murdered all stops are out to make the catch.

Seems like the REAL problem is lack of justice in this nation. The privileged, the elites, Federal Officials and LEOs are first in line for justice. What about the common man? What about the principles on which this nation was founded?

Liberals prefer to disarm the honest American citizen and allow criminal to ride roughshod over those who are lawful.

I don't see the situation in Chicago changing much until Michigan, Illinois and Ohio have better gun laws. Only then will the cops be able to get the guns off the streets.

I wonder if it's possible to require gun registration in a city or do it at a state level for that matter? The renewable registration system with ballistics tests that I outlined would stop criminals from getting guns and then the cops could gang up and search someone suspected of having a gun when in public. That would get the guns off the streets and stop the killings.

It does not matter if as you claim these states have "better" gun laws. Registration will be only for those legal and honest citizens and not for the criminals that have been causing all the deaths in chicago and Detroit. Disarming honest citizens only makes unarmed subjects. Presumably you are happy being a serf and subject of the government

There is nothing proposed that disarms an honest citizen. Let's face it, those are the same old Wayne LaPierre NRA lies about how the government wants to take your guns. You want to take the word of a man who avoided the draft by claiming he keeps having nervous breakdowns. I can understand how that person has concerns about losing his "rights" to own a gun, but those concerns stem from his mental state. The populace is not being disarmed, because a man with mental issues can't have a gun.

You right-wingers like to make an issue of Chicago only because Obama lived there. You don't bother to talk about LA or cities just as bad or worse than Chicago. The fact is you don't give a fuck about the killings in those cities, even when it's an innocent person being killed, because you support the things that allow those killings to happen.