Walking in the morning while being black.

[Lisa558]

Based on what we know maybe not

Thats why I suggested a 2 day suspension without pay

But not the overreaction that libs on this forum are displaying

Exactly! Just watch what will happen: the cop asked him some identifying information, the man walking around with a kid in the dark was defiant and refused, that clued in the cop that maybe the man was up to no good, and took him to the ground.

Watch the city give him $1 million.

The lesson: if I am walking around at dark with a kid, and a cop asks me my name, I can just become defiant, and he will take me to the ground (and easily). I will then get enough money to buy a beach house, trade in my Hyundai for a luxury sports car, and book a three-week cruise in an expensive suite.

 

[White 6]

Just dirty cops doing a dirty job to keep people like you safe from criminals

Shame on the cops, huh?

No. Most cops are just being visible symbols, helping maintain order, manage traffic, patrol to discourage community crime and stop fleeing felons. The problem comes when they think they are owed for doing their job, and start enforcing regulations, not on the books or supported by the constitution. True, this is a minority of officers and a minority of incidents, but with body cam on all decent police departments, captured body cam incidents (such as this one) are on the rise, as well as lawsuits against cop "over-flexing" their position, as if actually over normal citizens, cost cops and government thousands per incident and overall, into many hundreds of Million$.

As for keeping me safe from criminals, not so much, not even the neighborhood, I live in. It is pretty common to call in to me, at the same time or before calling the police, if something is going on. I am definitely self protecting, where ever I am, and our neighborhood watches out for each other and talks to each other.

 

[Lisa558]

No. Most cops are just being visible symbols, helping maintain order, manage traffic, patrol to discourage community crime and stop fleeing felons. The problem comes when they think they are owed for doing their job, and start enforcing regulations, not on the books or supported by the constitution. True, this is a minority of officers and a minority of incidents, but with body cam on all decent police departments, captured body cam incidents (such as this one) are on the rise, as well as lawsuits against cop "over-flexing" their position, as if actually over normal citizens, cost cops and government thousands per incident and overall, into many hundreds of Million$.

As for keeping me safe from criminals, not so much, not even the neighborhood, I live in. It is pretty common to call in to me, at the same time or before calling the police, if something is going on. I am definitely self protecting, where ever I am, and our neighborhood watches out for each other and talks to each other.

When I come home after dark and pull into my driveway, BEFORE I unlock the door and get out, I check the mirrors and look around to make sure there is not an unidentified man walking around. If there is, I do NOT get out of the car. If he continues to hang around, call the police - and they will be there within three minutes.

This happened once. The cop escorted me into the house, and I thanked him. And the guy ran off as soon as the cop car pulled up. Not sure what happened after that, but thank Gd for the police.

 

[Vastator]

There's no way a cop can know the law to the extent that they should. But every cop can learn to have good manners. That alone would eliminate 50% of the problem.

They can if it were required. While that may mean a whole restructuring of the way we do policing in America, the outcome would be a net positive for society as a whole.

 

[leftwinger]

While Sexton does have warrants out of Kay, Woods and Osage counties, they do not require holds. They are all traffic or driving-related.

As I said, SSDD early in the thread. Nothing new under the Sun.

 

[leftwinger]

When I come home after dark and pull into my driveway, BEFORE I unlock the door and get out, I check the mirrors and look around to make sure there is not an unidentified man walking around. If there is, I do NOT get out of the car. If he continues to hang around, call the police - and they will be there within three minutes.

This happened once. The cop escorted me into the house, and I thanked him. And the guy ran off as soon as the cop car pulled up. Not sure what happened after that, but thank Gd for the police.

These certain BoardExperts all live on 1acre lots on a hill 1mi to the nearest neighbors in unincorporated counties with loaded AR15 in every room and they never sleep or the kids take watch. They are special, don’t need Police ever need help and nobody walks around their compound. They want you all to be like them. Preppers and legal experts reading law books at night hoping to setup and trap a Cop.

 

[White 6]

When I come home after dark and pull into my driveway, BEFORE I unlock the door and get out, I check the mirrors and look around to make sure there is not an unidentified man walking around. If there is, I do NOT get out of the car. If he continues to hang around, call the police - and they will be there within three minutes.

This happened once. The cop escorted me into the house, and I thanked him. And the guy ran off as soon as the cop car pulled up. Not sure what happened after that, but thank Gd for the police.

We have never had to do that. I get out of the car, knowing I am never out gunned by any single stranger, and that it would be unfortunate and ill-advised for them to make such an attempt, that would result in their undoing. I do know of twice cops being called to our subdivision, neither time having a 3-minute response time. I recommend you seek training, unless you are in a state, wanting the citizens disarmed for some reason. You actually can stand on your own, not being a passive victim. For the most part, if you need a cop, they are 5 to 10 minutes away. Some states do not want their citizens disarmed and have stand your ground laws and castle doctrine in place.

 

[j-mac]

Always has been and always will be. The average human being (myself included) is just too fucking stupid to be allowed to make all but the most basic decisions for themselves

Not me bother, you can give up your freedom if you want, not me.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Exactly! Just watch what will happen: the cop asked him some identifying information, the man walking around with a kid in the dark was defiant and refused, that clued in the cop that maybe the man was up to no good, and took him to the ground.

Watch the city give him $1 million.

The lesson: if I am walking around at dark with a kid, and a cop asks me my name, I can just become defiant, and he will take me to the ground (and easily). I will then get enough money to buy a beach house, trade in my Hyundai for a luxury sports car, and book a three-week cruise in an expensive suite.

What does the law state about the police asking you for identification?

What is suspicious about a black man walking around with his black kid?

So if a cop walks up and ask for my ID and I don't give it to him is he authorized to take me to the ground?

 

[Fang]

I thought you were one of those Faun people? You’ve slipped up before? I’ll keep a watch on you possible TDS Anti-Cop street lawyer board experts. Can’t be too safe. I’ll put you in the “I DONT HAVE TO!” Crybaby group. Just answer the Cops questions. It ain’t that hard. You will sooner or later.

I would have answered the cops questions and 99.9% sure I would have been out of there on friendly terms. But that’s irrelevant. Under Oklahoma law the man did not have to answer those questions. He’s not required to answer in a certain manner. That’s all that matters. You’re injecting your personal opinion on how the man should have handled the incident and ignoring the law.

 

[Anathema]

Not me bother, you can give up your freedom if you want, not me

We all have to give up, or at least seriously limit some little things if we want to live in a decent society.

 

[Fang]

What does the law state about the police asking you for identification?

What is suspicious about a black man walking around with his black kid?

So if a cop walks up and ask for my ID and I don't give it to him is he authorized to take me to the ground?

I thought the man and child were white?

 

[Mac-7]

That's not what I said at all. What I said is so long as you don't break the law, a cop doesn't and SHOULDN'T, have the power to interfere with your life, and how you live it.

From the police point of view a crime may have been committed

 

[Mac-7]

No. Most cops are just being visible symbols, helping maintain order, manage traffic, patrol to discourage community crime and stop fleeing felons. The problem comes when they think they are owed for doing their job, and start enforcing regulations, not on the books or supported by the constitution. True, this is a minority of officers and a minority of incidents, but with body cam on all decent police departments, captured body cam incidents (such as this one) are on the rise, as well as lawsuits against cop "over-flexing" their position, as if actually over normal citizens, cost cops and government thousands per incident and overall, into many hundreds of Million$.

As for keeping me safe from criminals, not so much, not even the neighborhood, I live in. It is pretty common to call in to me, at the same time or before calling the police, if something is going on. I am definitely self protecting, where ever I am, and our neighborhood watches out for each other and talks to each other.

I dont think the cops were wrong to question the man

But when he started running his mouth instead of cooperating they got impatient and took him down a little bit too soon

They should have asked more questions of him and the child before taking out the handcuffs

But he was definitely an asshole if not s criminal

The video is incomplete and we need more info

 

[leftwinger]

I would have answered the cops questions and 99.9% sure I would have been out of there on friendly terms. But that’s irrelevant. Under Oklahoma law the man did not have to answer those questions. He’s not required to answer in a certain manner. That’s all that matters. You’re injecting your personal opinion on how the man should have handled the incident and ignoring the law.

Lets shut down the Country and riot because a Cop made a “mistake” at work. Lets fire both cops and ban their children from public school and shut their parents bank accounts like they are Trump supporters.

Lets award the perp $10mil and free Ivy league College for the poor kid for life! Cancel those silly warrants. But you all make sure you pay your deep state obligations on time.

None of you all ever made a mistake at work, of that I’m certain.

 

[leftwinger]

They should have asked more questions of him and the child

As I also posted similar way way back. Far too quick on the cuffs.

 

[Care4all]

From the police point of view a crime may have been committed

But what crime did they believe was committed and on what grounds or evidence or witness?

Cops certainly are trained in basics, for this type of situation...where a person stopped gets agitated and HOW to de-escalate.... And what the citizen's rights are, what they can demand or not...

The citizen is NOT TRAINED, does not serve the public, nor is paid by the public....serving all of it... including this man as a cop does, the citizen has freedom of speech, freedom to move about for the most part etc etc etc.

So, it is not on the citizen stopped, to keep things calm....it is the trained for the situation policeman's job...imo.

 

[Couchpotato]

What does the law state about the police asking you for identification?

That the police are allowed to ask. They can ask for any manner of things. Search your person, strip search body cavity search. search your house.

What is suspicious about a black man walking around with his black kid?


So if a cop walks up and ask for my ID and I don't give it to him is he authorized to take me to the ground?

Depends on the state. Not in Oklahoma.

 

[White 6]

I dont think the cops were wrong to question the man

But when he started running his mouth instead of cooperating they got impatient and took him down a little bit too soon

They should have asked more questions of him and the child before taking out the handcuffs

But he was definitely an asshole if not s criminal

The video is incomplete and we need more info

He said, he didn't have ID, as it was left at home, and that it was not required, which it wasn't, in his case.
I am different. I used to go out for walks (usually near or after sundown) without ID, myself. Most in my state are not required to have ID on them, and present on demand. Since the 2019, that is not the case for me, as I am an approved registered weapons carrier, by the State of Tennessee and the US Department of Homeland Defense. State law (in fact) requires me to present, on demand, if carrying. If walking alone or with my wife, I am always carrying. We have never been stopped, while walking, day or night. I have been stopped, while driving, and it was handed to the officer, on top of license on request, as I am usually carrying on a day-to-day basis.

 

[TNHarley]

From the police point of view a crime may have been committed

They have to be able to articulate a crime. Walking around in public isnt a crime.