Zone1 What is free speech ?

[Stryder50]

There might be a few examples of what you claim. But free speech is not the right to say any old shit. Not all speech is relevant.
For example when Rogan claims 4000 people have been locked up. Its patent nonsense.
When I joined this board someone put up a video of a supposed muslim riot in London..
Firstly there hadnt been a riot in London. The video was of a far right riot in CARDIFF several years prior.
That was not a matter of perspective. Its a matter of fact.
Thee can be no honest debate with types who post that sort of crap.
I found it instructive. I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump.

When a grifter like Andy Ngo posts a video purporting to be muslims rioting in London and it is actually muslims on the street protecting their mosque from drunken white guys. That isnt a perspective that is just lies.
And when it provokes violence against muslims it is dangerous and action should be taken.

If Ngo wants to discuss the riots then that is fine. If he just wants to spread lies to incite trouble that is not fine.

And yet you just proved my point in this post of yours with this statement, which is evidence of prejudice, distortion, and lies base on your biased subjectivity.

" I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump. "

You basic and continual position an point is that you Leftist Communists can tell no lies (only "truth") and all we on the Right that oppose you ever say are "lies".

Classic doublespeak there "Tommy Tain't Truth".

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well who deccides that ? Musk ?
You can still vote the govt out.

Why is it that those who want to control disinformation also believe men can get pregnant?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And yet you just proved my point in this post of yours with this statement, which is evidence of prejudice, distortion, and lies base on your biased subjectivity.

" I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump. "

You basic and continual position an point is that you Leftist Communists can tell no lies (only "truth") and all we on the Right that oppose you ever say are "lies".

Classic doublespeak there "Tommy Tain't Truth".

Whe did Rogan lie about british v russian arrests ?
You are passed caring because yur whole right wing world is based on lies.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why is it that those who want to control disinformation also believe men can get pregnant?

Do you have a link ?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Do you have a link ?

Do I need one?

What happens when I provide one?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

For real ?

We Are All Peasants If We Allow Any Hereditary Power

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There might be a few examples of what you claim. But free speech is not the right to say any old shit. Not all speech is relevant.
For example when Rogan claims 4000 people have been locked up. Its patent nonsense.
When I joined this board someone put up a video of a supposed muslim riot in London..
Firstly there hadnt been a riot in London. The video was of a far right riot in CARDIFF several years prior.
That was not a matter of perspective. Its a matter of fact.
Thee can be no honest debate with types who post that sort of crap.
I found it instructive. I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump.

When a grifter like Andy Ngo posts a video purporting to be muslims rioting in London and it is actually muslims on the street protecting their mosque from drunken white guys. That isnt a perspective that is just lies.
And when it provokes violence against muslims it is dangerous and action should be taken.

If Ngo wants to discuss the riots then that is fine. If he just wants to spread lies to incite trouble that is not fine.

As the Roman Patriot Cato Would Have Insisted, Islam Must Be Destroyed

 

[Weatherman2020]

There might be a few examples of what you claim. But free speech is not the right to say any old shit. Not all speech is relevant.
For example when Rogan claims 4000 people have been locked up. Its patent nonsense.
When I joined this board someone put up a video of a supposed muslim riot in London..
Firstly there hadnt been a riot in London. The video was of a far right riot in CARDIFF several years prior.
That was not a matter of perspective. Its a matter of fact.
Thee can be no honest debate with types who post that sort of crap.
I found it instructive. I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump.

When a grifter like Andy Ngo posts a video purporting to be muslims rioting in London and it is actually muslims on the street protecting their mosque from drunken white guys. That isnt a perspective that is just lies.
And when it provokes violence against muslims it is dangerous and action should be taken.

If Ngo wants to discuss the riots then that is fine. If he just wants to spread lies to incite trouble that is not fine.

You Brits arrest people for stating uncomfortable facts. Thats what every tyrannical regime has done.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ask your Brit government what they toss you in prison for.

The answer they’ll toss you in prisons for is free speech.

Woman who screamed death threats at Nancy Pelosi on Jan. 6 gets over 2 years in prison

The judge who sentenced 55-year-old Pauline Bauer on Tuesday convicted her of riot-related charges in January after hearing trial testimony without a jury.

www.pbs.org

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www.sfchronicle.com

Finally, if words dont mean anything why did the FBI turn up at some guys house.?
Your free speech is no different to ours. You are a crazy guy.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/07/politics/threats-us-public-officials-democracy-invs/index.html

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And yet you just proved my point in this post of yours with this statement, which is evidence of prejudice, distortion, and lies base on your biased subjectivity.

" I quickly realised that the american right was not bothered about truth. Mainly because it had abandoned truth under trump. "

You basic and continual position an point is that you Leftist Communists can tell no lies (only "truth") and all we on the Right that oppose you ever say are "lies".

Classic doublespeak there "Tommy Tain't Truth".

You crazy. You have stated on here that you dont care to hear the truth,

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Do I need one?

What happens when I provide one?

So you are just blowing out of your arse.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Woman who screamed death threats at Nancy Pelosi on Jan. 6 gets over 2 years in prison

The judge who sentenced 55-year-old Pauline Bauer on Tuesday convicted her of riot-related charges in January after hearing trial testimony without a jury.

www.pbs.org

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www.sfchronicle.com

Finally, if words dont mean anything why did the FBI turn up at some guys house.?
Your free speech is no different to ours. You are a crazy guy.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/07/politics/threats-us-public-officials-democracy-invs/index.html

We aren’t taking about a Leftard threatening to murder people, that occurs everyday. You Brits arrest grandmothers for posting current events and you tyrants don’t like people talking about current events.

And it’s hilarious watching you freaks suddenly deny men can get pregnant while you scream for censorship of the internet.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So you are just blowing out of your arse.

You’re a pathological liar or an ignoramus.
Your call.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The lies of the right.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

This article argues that the siren calls come from extremists who want to make some noise.
I can agree with a lot of that.
But my own definition is better.
Someone wanting to whistleblow on a matter of public concern. Not someone who just wants to vent their prejudice.
Lies are not protected.
IE lying about spomeons sexuality to attack sexual minorities
lying about race or religion to attack racial minorities
lying about anything basically
ie - Vance fucks furniture. his wife looks hot. She should get his attention.

Lies arent campaign promises that you dont carry out.
IE Trumps wall. He obviously wanted it but couldnt get it done. Happens all the time like Obamas healthcare.

Lies are labelling a pic in London as a pic of Sheffield
Or reporting a riot when you are sat on your arse 1000 miles away.

The current political scene is based on lies and too many people make a good living out of just lying.

That isnt free speech. That is just the law of the jungle.

Those aren't explanations/reasons as much as they are excuses, as a european you have no concept of what free speech really is...
...it's the protection of unacceptable speech as acceptable speech needs no such protections...

...it is literally a completely foreign concept in europe tommy, simple as it is, it is harder for europeans to wrap their heads around real/true free speech than understanding Sanskrit, your post would be used in college courses on the subject as the type of mistake most commonly made when struggling to understand free speech.

 

[hadit]

"misinformation" by your standards, may not be by others'.
"lies" are only dangerous if some one believes them and acts upon them.

Actions are crimes to be dealt with, but speech is not.

Didn't your mamma ever teach you;
"Sticks and stones can break my bones;
But words can never hurt me. "
???

That is why I say I will support government suppression of speech when I am appointed the sole arbiter of what is acceptable speech. For some reason, they don't like that.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I understand the point you make about govt but it only protects bad actors.

^proof^ of your lack of understanding on the matter...
no, when applied properly it gives the innocently accused another layer of protection from being treated as a bad actor...in europe the focus is on denying rights to the accused, in America the emphasis is on protecting the rights of the accused, that is what makes "rights" in/unalienable.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Do I need one?

What happens when I provide one?

So you are just blowing out of your arse.

More likely your reason for wanting a link is to distract...I'd like to know what would happen after you got the link.

 

[American Eagle]

Cut the sissiness. "Lying" is the most overused word today. Some guy tells you brown mustard and better than yellow, and a sissy man says he is telling a lie.

 

[Hector12]

It has become dangerous to say anything critical about Negroes using your real name. The more accurate the criticism is, the greater the danger.

JoeB131 has told me that if I told a group of black ghetto thugs that Negroes are violent, they would beat me up. That is one of the few things I agree with JoeB131 about.