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Like Rush said: If 11 million of the top 5% of the people paying 60% of all the income tax in America were to suddenly quit paying their taxes, we would round them up in a week. We would take all their property and sell it to satisfy their tax liability and throw them in jail breaking up their families. We would be happy to do it because without their taxes, our Obamacare premiums would not get subsidized, our EBT cards would not get reloaded, etc., etc.
How does that remotely apply to 11 million people with no assets and no ID?
Why do conservatives always come up with such ridiculous analogies?
I say once you have someone in custody with the threat of deportation hanging over his head, he will quickly produce some form of identification if he is indeed legally here. He will have a green card, birth certificate, or some other form of ID if he is indeed legal.
So you are advocating arresting 12,000,000 people? Where will they be detained after taken into custody? The jails and prisons are already overcrowded by 50% with potheads.
Yes and so do 59% of Americans agree. No one has said this would be done overnight. It will take years to accomplish. Obama just released 6,000 potheads and minor drug offenders from jail. There's room for a few thousand at a time. These people broke our law. They knew they were breaking our law and knew they could be deported at any time they were caught. They jumped ahead of many who have been in line trying to come here legally.
Pie in the sky pipe dreams, bub.As for the "legal citizen" children of illegal aliens, their fate would be up to their parents. They either go home with their parents or remain here, possibly in the care of friends or relatives. Not our problem.
As for the "dreamers" children born overseas and brought here illegally by their parents, fuck 'em. If your father is a law-breaker, you will suffer. That holds true whether your father was a killer, a bank robber, an extortionist, or a tax cheat. Or an illegal border-jumper. In all of these cases the kids suffer, and you could say, "it ain't fair," but it also ain't my problem. It is the problem caused by the parents' criminal activity.
Then tell me how Reagan was failed and I posted a poll that showed undocumented immigrants don't want a goddamn citizenship?You broke your ass nothing else.The children are legal, jake. Damn. And if those employers get caught employing them, they will be dealt witgh accordingly. Fixes are never easy.They will get under the table jobs as always, the own their own houses or will live with friends who are citizens, and their children citizens will go to school and get ER treatment and ACA government assistance and so forth and so on.Screw fines
Fine them $100,000 for the first illegal then jail time for anyone after that
Why are we bothering trying to round up workers trying to escape poverty while we ignore those who are making a profit off of those workers
How are you going to fine employers for hiring illegals when Obama has given employers a $3,000.00 incentive to hire illegals over bona fide citizens? Obama is certainly not going to have the employer arrested for doing what he wants them to do.
You still dotn understand.. They wouldn't be able to get jobs, houses, schooling, ER treatment NOTHING with my plan. They wouldn't WANT to stay. The government wouldn't have to deport any more than the usual day-to-day number.Those are state issues, and they will not assume the extra cost in times like these, in the first place, and their citizens won't let them do it, in the second place.Nope. The children will either return with the parents or be put in foster care.
They are NOT going to stay here when they cant work, sleep or get educated.
I fail to understand how giving them paths to citizenship would help. Especially since yesterday I broke that fallacy down for you. OF COURSE, I didn't get a response
Every point of mine above is so. There will be no mass deportations.
No job, no healthcare, no schooling, no drivers license, no voting (sorry Ds), and most will self deport.
PRIOR TO 1965
There was , no healthcare, no welfare
they came here made some money and went back home without a problem.
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Like Rush said: If 11 million of the top 5% of the people paying 60% of all the income tax in America were to suddenly quit paying their taxes, we would round them up in a week. We would take all their property and sell it to satisfy their tax liability and throw them in jail breaking up their families. We would be happy to do it because without their taxes, our Obamacare premiums would not get subsidized, our EBT cards would not get reloaded, etc., etc.
How does that remotely apply to 11 million people with no assets and no ID?
Why do conservatives always come up with such ridiculous analogies?
I say once you have someone in custody with the threat of deportation hanging over his head, he will quickly produce some form of identification if he is indeed legally here. He will have a green card, birth certificate, or some other form of ID if he is indeed legal.
That is not a response to your ridiculous Rush Limbaugh analogy
How is it remotely similar?
I don't care what you think, I never have.I don't care what VoR thought, I am addressing the points that matter.That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.So, you're saying that there are no illegal immigrants in the US who are Japanese? And how do you know this? Have you met all the illegal immigrants in the country? Then I propose the government hire you for the rounding up and deportation. You obviously know where to find them all.
Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.
So, my rebuttal of Vor's statement matters, but Vor's statement is irrelevant? That's a fine example of cherry picking out of context statements. You sound like a birther.
The point is this: there will be no mass deportation.
The point is this: there will be a path way to legal status.
The point is this: there will be no change in how children born in America are affected by the 14th Amendment.
Everyone supports a LEGAL PATH. That's what we are saying here. A LEGAL PATH. There's a legal path now. These folks circumvented that legal path.
I will quote as I think applicable.I don't care what you think, I never have.I don't care what VoR thought, I am addressing the points that matter.That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.
Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.
So, my rebuttal of Vor's statement matters, but Vor's statement is irrelevant? That's a fine example of cherry picking out of context statements. You sound like a birther.
The point is this: there will be no mass deportation.
The point is this: there will be a path way to legal status.
The point is this: there will be no change in how children born in America are affected by the 14th Amendment.
Cool story, bro. Next time, please don't quote me unless your "point" is associated with my post.
I will quote as I think applicable.
I will quote as I think applicable.
Well, if you want to look like a dumbass, who am I to stop you?
Says the dumbass.
I will quote as I think applicable.
Well, if you want to look like a dumbass, who am I to stop you?
Just let it go. You have looked stupid again.
I will quote as I think applicable.
Well, if you want to look like a dumbass, who am I to stop you?
Just let it go. You have looked stupid again.
With sentences like that, you must be talking to yourself.
I will quote as I think applicable.
Well, if you want to look like a dumbass, who am I to stop you?
Just let it go. You have looked stupid again.
With sentences like that, you must be talking to yourself.
Telling the truth proposed 1 trillion in debt is not conservative proves I am a liberal? Are you saying liberals tell the truth?Jakesnarky claims to be a Republican, this thread is more evidence that he isn't nor has he ever been a Republican.
