What is the best way to round up and deport 11 million people

[SwimExpert]

The thought of any of those 4 methods is disgusting and un-American, especially 2 through 4.

It's much more American to round up American citizens and put them in concentration camps, like we did with the Japanese during WWII.

A fallacy of false equivalency. They are not Japanese, there is no war against Mexico, and it is seventy years later.

So, you're saying that there are no illegal immigrants in the US who are Japanese? And how do you know this? Have you met all the illegal immigrants in the country? Then I propose the government hire you for the rounding up and deportation. You obviously know where to find them all.

That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.

Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One week before your post, a much better poll and survey from said from What Americans want to do about illegal immigration

The debate over the future of the nation’s estimated 11.3 million unauthorized immigrantsis on the political front burner once more.

President Barack Obama set the stage in November when he announced new executive actions (now tied up in court) to prevent the deportation of millions of unauthorized immigrants, expanding 2012’s original program aimed mostly at providing relief to those brought to the United States as children. Illegal immigration has dominated the Republican presidential campaign, particularly after Donald Trump’s call for deporting all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. and building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Others have called for a changing the constitutional amendment that guarantees birthright citizenship.

Among the public overall, there is little support for an effort to deport all those in the U.S. illegally, but surveys in past years have found greater support for building a barrier along the Mexican border and for changing the Constitution to ban birthright citizenship.

Republicans have long been conflicted over U.S. immigration policy. On the one hand, consistent majorities of Republicans favor providing a path to legal status for people in the U.S. illegally. Yet most Republicans also worry that granting legal status to undocumented immigrants would amount to a tacit reward for illegal behavior. And in the past, nearly half of Republicans supported changing the Constitution to bar birthright citizenship, and a majority supported building a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.

Here’s a breakdown of public opinion on some key immigration issues:

Stay or deport? In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. Last year, we asked a follow-up question of those who opposed granting legal status to undocumented immigrants: Should there be a “national law enforcement effort to deport” all immigrants here illegally? Just 17% of the public overall favored such an effort, including about a quarter (27%) of Republicans.

Moreover, in a 2013 survey, 76% of Republicans said that deporting all immigrants in the U.S. illegally was “unrealistic.”

 

[bodecea]

Don't n

They aren't hiding because nobody is looking for them.

OK

Who should we get to look?
How many people are you looking to hire?

Don't need to hire any.....truckers go to every business in America.....they know where they are , set up hotline

Ah...report your neighbor time....fun.

 

[the_human_being]

Like Rush said: If 11 million of the top 5% of the people paying 60% of all the income tax in America were to suddenly quit paying their taxes, we would round them up in a week. We would take all their property and sell it to satisfy their tax liability and throw them in jail breaking up their families. We would be happy to do it because without their taxes, our Obamacare premiums would not get subsidized, our EBT cards would not get reloaded, etc., etc.

How does that remotely apply to 11 million people with no assets and no ID?

Why do conservatives always come up with such ridiculous analogies?

I say once you have someone in custody with the threat of deportation hanging over his head, he will quickly produce some form of identification if he is indeed legally here. He will have a green card, birth certificate, or some other form of ID if he is indeed legal.

So you are advocating arresting 12,000,000 people? Where will they be detained after taken into custody? The jails and prisons are already overcrowded by 50% with potheads.

Yes and so do 59% of Americans agree. No one has said this would be done overnight. It will take years to accomplish. Obama just released 6,000 potheads and minor drug offenders from jail. There's room for a few thousand at a time. These people broke our law. They knew they were breaking our law and knew they could be deported at any time they were caught. They jumped ahead of many who have been in line trying to come here legally.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The thought of any of those 4 methods is disgusting and un-American, especially 2 through 4.

It's much more American to round up American citizens and put them in concentration camps, like we did with the Japanese during WWII.

A fallacy of false equivalency. They are not Japanese, there is no war against Mexico, and it is seventy years later.

So, you're saying that there are no illegal immigrants in the US who are Japanese? And how do you know this? Have you met all the illegal immigrants in the country? Then I propose the government hire you for the rounding up and deportation. You obviously know where to find them all.

That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.

Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.

I don't care what VoR thought, I am addressing the points that matter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the reality is no mass deportation will happen.

 

[the_human_being]

One week before your post, a much better poll and survey from said from What Americans want to do about illegal immigration

The debate over the future of the nation’s estimated 11.3 million unauthorized immigrantsis on the political front burner once more.

President Barack Obama set the stage in November when he announced new executive actions (now tied up in court) to prevent the deportation of millions of unauthorized immigrants, expanding 2012’s original program aimed mostly at providing relief to those brought to the United States as children. Illegal immigration has dominated the Republican presidential campaign, particularly after Donald Trump’s call for deporting all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. and building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Others have called for a changing the constitutional amendment that guarantees birthright citizenship.

Among the public overall, there is little support for an effort to deport all those in the U.S. illegally, but surveys in past years have found greater support for building a barrier along the Mexican border and for changing the Constitution to ban birthright citizenship.

Republicans have long been conflicted over U.S. immigration policy. On the one hand, consistent majorities of Republicans favor providing a path to legal status for people in the U.S. illegally. Yet most Republicans also worry that granting legal status to undocumented immigrants would amount to a tacit reward for illegal behavior. And in the past, nearly half of Republicans supported changing the Constitution to bar birthright citizenship, and a majority supported building a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.

Here’s a breakdown of public opinion on some key immigration issues:

Stay or deport? In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. Last year, we asked a follow-up question of those who opposed granting legal status to undocumented immigrants: Should there be a “national law enforcement effort to deport” all immigrants here illegally? Just 17% of the public overall favored such an effort, including about a quarter (27%) of Republicans.

Moreover, in a 2013 survey, 76% of Republicans said that deporting all immigrants in the U.S. illegally was “unrealistic.”

Everyone supports a LEGAL PATH. That's what we are saying here. A LEGAL PATH. There's a legal path now. These folks circumvented that legal path.

 

[rightwinger]

Like Rush said: If 11 million of the top 5% of the people paying 60% of all the income tax in America were to suddenly quit paying their taxes, we would round them up in a week. We would take all their property and sell it to satisfy their tax liability and throw them in jail breaking up their families. We would be happy to do it because without their taxes, our Obamacare premiums would not get subsidized, our EBT cards would not get reloaded, etc., etc.

How does that remotely apply to 11 million people with no assets and no ID?

Why do conservatives always come up with such ridiculous analogies?

I say once you have someone in custody with the threat of deportation hanging over his head, he will quickly produce some form of identification if he is indeed legally here. He will have a green card, birth certificate, or some other form of ID if he is indeed legal.

That is not a response to your ridiculous Rush Limbaugh analogy

How is it remotely similar?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

The thought of any of those 4 methods is disgusting and un-American, especially 2 through 4.

It's much more American to round up American citizens and put them in concentration camps, like we did with the Japanese during WWII.

A fallacy of false equivalency. They are not Japanese, there is no war against Mexico, and it is seventy years later.

I disagree. There is a war against Mexico and Mexico is kicking our butts.

You mean like a cold war with jalapenos and nachos on the side?

 

[SwimExpert]

It's much more American to round up American citizens and put them in concentration camps, like we did with the Japanese during WWII.

A fallacy of false equivalency. They are not Japanese, there is no war against Mexico, and it is seventy years later.

So, you're saying that there are no illegal immigrants in the US who are Japanese? And how do you know this? Have you met all the illegal immigrants in the country? Then I propose the government hire you for the rounding up and deportation. You obviously know where to find them all.

That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.

Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.

I don't care what VoR thought, I am addressing the points that matter.

So, my rebuttal of Vor's statement matters, but Vor's statement is irrelevant? That's a fine example of cherry picking out of context statements. You sound like a birther.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One week before your post, a much better poll and survey from said from What Americans want to do about illegal immigration

The debate over the future of the nation’s estimated 11.3 million unauthorized immigrantsis on the political front burner once more.

President Barack Obama set the stage in November when he announced new executive actions (now tied up in court) to prevent the deportation of millions of unauthorized immigrants, expanding 2012’s original program aimed mostly at providing relief to those brought to the United States as children. Illegal immigration has dominated the Republican presidential campaign, particularly after Donald Trump’s call for deporting all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. and building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Others have called for a changing the constitutional amendment that guarantees birthright citizenship.

Among the public overall, there is little support for an effort to deport all those in the U.S. illegally, but surveys in past years have found greater support for building a barrier along the Mexican border and for changing the Constitution to ban birthright citizenship.

Republicans have long been conflicted over U.S. immigration policy. On the one hand, consistent majorities of Republicans favor providing a path to legal status for people in the U.S. illegally. Yet most Republicans also worry that granting legal status to undocumented immigrants would amount to a tacit reward for illegal behavior. And in the past, nearly half of Republicans supported changing the Constitution to bar birthright citizenship, and a majority supported building a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.

Here’s a breakdown of public opinion on some key immigration issues:

Stay or deport? In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. Last year, we asked a follow-up question of those who opposed granting legal status to undocumented immigrants: Should there be a “national law enforcement effort to deport” all immigrants here illegally? Just 17% of the public overall favored such an effort, including about a quarter (27%) of Republicans.

Moreover, in a 2013 survey, 76% of Republicans said that deporting all immigrants in the U.S. illegally was “unrealistic.”

Everyone supports a LEGAL PATH. That's what we are saying here. A LEGAL PATH. There's a legal path now. These folks circumvented that legal path.

There won't be mass deportation.

There will be a pathway to legal status.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A fallacy of false equivalency. They are not Japanese, there is no war against Mexico, and it is seventy years later.

So, you're saying that there are no illegal immigrants in the US who are Japanese? And how do you know this? Have you met all the illegal immigrants in the country? Then I propose the government hire you for the rounding up and deportation. You obviously know where to find them all.

That's up to you to prove, Swimfrog. If there are Japanese illegals, how many are there and how does that it equate to all the others. I know you have not met all the illegal immigrants in the country. You don't want to hire me for that position; you would not get the effort you would want.

Jake, you're missing the point entirely. Vor claimed it was "un-American." That is the only point I was addressing.

I don't care what VoR thought, I am addressing the points that matter.

So, my rebuttal of Vor's statement matters, but Vor's statement is irrelevant? That's a fine example of cherry picking out of context statements. You sound like a birther.

I don't care what you think, I never have.

The point is this: there will be no mass deportation.

The point is this: there will be a path way to legal status.

The point is this: there will be no change in how children born in America are affected by the 14th Amendment.

 

[TNHarley]

No work,no welfare,no medical,no school...no nothing,and they'll leave on their own.

No work,no welfare,no medical,no school...no nothing,and they'll leave on their own.

and major fines for employers

Screw fines

Fine them $100,000 for the first illegal then jail time for anyone after that

Why are we bothering trying to round up workers trying to escape poverty while we ignore those who are making a profit off of those workers

How are you going to fine employers for hiring illegals when Obama has given employers a $3,000.00 incentive to hire illegals over bona fide citizens? Obama is certainly not going to have the employer arrested for doing what he wants them to do.

Jakey thinks illegals are so pathetic they will live in the street, let their children starve and be dumb.

They will live with their children who are citizens and who will receive government assistance.

Nope. The children will either return with the parents or be put in foster care.
They are NOT going to stay here when they cant work, sleep or get educated.

Those are state issues, and they will not assume the extra cost in times like these, in the first place, and their citizens won't let them do it, in the second place.

You still dotn understand.. They wouldn't be able to get jobs, houses, schooling, ER treatment NOTHING with my plan. They wouldn't WANT to stay. The government wouldn't have to deport any more than the usual day-to-day number.

They will get under the table jobs as always, the own their own houses or will live with friends who are citizens, and their children citizens will go to school and get ER treatment and ACA government assistance and so forth and so on.

The children are legal, jake. Damn. And if those employers get caught employing them, they will be dealt witgh accordingly. Fixes are never easy.
I fail to understand how giving them paths to citizenship would help. Especially since yesterday I broke that fallacy down for you. OF COURSE, I didn't get a response

 

[DGS49]

Key Facts:

(1) The number 11 million is virtually made-up nonsense. It was developed in 2007, based on a VOLUNTARY survey. It ignores those who declined to respond in 2007 and everyone who has come since then. The real number is MUCH, MUCH larger.

(2) NOTE that NO LAW would have to be changed to deport these people. It would all be based on laws that Congress enacted, the President signed, and are currently in the U.S. Code.

(3) Birthright citizenship is found nowhere in the U.S. Constitution, or in any Amendment. It is an obviously incorrect interpretation of six words in the 14th Amendment ("...and subject to the jurisdiction of..."), that could be modified by LEGISLATION - it has happened before w/r/t Chinese immigrants. People who are already citizens via this fiction would not be affected, but at least we could stop the abomination going forward.

(4) Similarly, there is nothing in the Constitution that requires that U.S. taxpayer dollars be used to fund welfare, housing subsidies, food stamps, or free public education for people who are in the country illegally. This is judge-made law that also could be overturned by legislation.

(5) It is already illegal to employ anyone who is not in the country illegally (See Federal I-9 Form). If this law were enforced, most of illegal employment would dry up immediately.

As hinted by other posters above, the number of people we would have to "round up and deport" would be manageable.

 

[TNHarley]

One week before your post, a much better poll and survey from said from What Americans want to do about illegal immigration

The debate over the future of the nation’s estimated 11.3 million unauthorized immigrantsis on the political front burner once more.

President Barack Obama set the stage in November when he announced new executive actions (now tied up in court) to prevent the deportation of millions of unauthorized immigrants, expanding 2012’s original program aimed mostly at providing relief to those brought to the United States as children. Illegal immigration has dominated the Republican presidential campaign, particularly after Donald Trump’s call for deporting all undocumented immigrants in the U.S. and building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Others have called for a changing the constitutional amendment that guarantees birthright citizenship.

Among the public overall, there is little support for an effort to deport all those in the U.S. illegally, but surveys in past years have found greater support for building a barrier along the Mexican border and for changing the Constitution to ban birthright citizenship.

Republicans have long been conflicted over U.S. immigration policy. On the one hand, consistent majorities of Republicans favor providing a path to legal status for people in the U.S. illegally. Yet most Republicans also worry that granting legal status to undocumented immigrants would amount to a tacit reward for illegal behavior. And in the past, nearly half of Republicans supported changing the Constitution to bar birthright citizenship, and a majority supported building a fence along the entire U.S. border with Mexico.

Here’s a breakdown of public opinion on some key immigration issues:

Stay or deport? In a Pew Research Center survey conducted in May, a solid majority (72%) of Americans – including 80% of Democrats, 76% of independents and 56% of Republicans – say undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S.should be allowed to stay in this country legally if they meet certain requirements. Last year, we asked a follow-up question of those who opposed granting legal status to undocumented immigrants: Should there be a “national law enforcement effort to deport” all immigrants here illegally? Just 17% of the public overall favored such an effort, including about a quarter (27%) of Republicans.

Moreover, in a 2013 survey, 76% of Republicans said that deporting all immigrants in the U.S. illegally was “unrealistic.”

Everyone supports a LEGAL PATH. That's what we are saying here. A LEGAL PATH. There's a legal path now. These folks circumvented that legal path.

There won't be mass deportation.

There will be a pathway to legal status.

That is failure. Most illegals dont even WANT citizenship dumbfuck. Why do you think Reagan had less than 30% sign up?
You are just spitting corporatist rhetoric.

 

[JakeStarkey]

and major fines for employers

Screw fines

Fine them $100,000 for the first illegal then jail time for anyone after that

Why are we bothering trying to round up workers trying to escape poverty while we ignore those who are making a profit off of those workers

How are you going to fine employers for hiring illegals when Obama has given employers a $3,000.00 incentive to hire illegals over bona fide citizens? Obama is certainly not going to have the employer arrested for doing what he wants them to do.

They will live with their children who are citizens and who will receive government assistance.

Nope. The children will either return with the parents or be put in foster care.
They are NOT going to stay here when they cant work, sleep or get educated.

Those are state issues, and they will not assume the extra cost in times like these, in the first place, and their citizens won't let them do it, in the second place.

You still dotn understand.. They wouldn't be able to get jobs, houses, schooling, ER treatment NOTHING with my plan. They wouldn't WANT to stay. The government wouldn't have to deport any more than the usual day-to-day number.

They will get under the table jobs as always, the own their own houses or will live with friends who are citizens, and their children citizens will go to school and get ER treatment and ACA government assistance and so forth and so on.

The children are legal, jake. Damn. And if those employers get caught employing them, they will be dealt witgh accordingly. Fixes are never easy.
I fail to understand how giving them paths to citizenship would help. Especially since yesterday I broke that fallacy down for you. OF COURSE, I didn't get a response

You broke your ass nothing else.
Every point of mine above is so. There will be no mass deportations.

 

[Mr Natural]

Very easy:

1. Round them up
2. Put them on buses.
3. Drive them back to Mexico.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Screw fines

Fine them $100,000 for the first illegal then jail time for anyone after that

Why are we bothering trying to round up workers trying to escape poverty while we ignore those who are making a profit off of those workers

How are you going to fine employers for hiring illegals when Obama has given employers a $3,000.00 incentive to hire illegals over bona fide citizens? Obama is certainly not going to have the employer arrested for doing what he wants them to do.

Nope. The children will either return with the parents or be put in foster care.
They are NOT going to stay here when they cant work, sleep or get educated.

Those are state issues, and they will not assume the extra cost in times like these, in the first place, and their citizens won't let them do it, in the second place.

You still dotn understand.. They wouldn't be able to get jobs, houses, schooling, ER treatment NOTHING with my plan. They wouldn't WANT to stay. The government wouldn't have to deport any more than the usual day-to-day number.

They will get under the table jobs as always, the own their own houses or will live with friends who are citizens, and their children citizens will go to school and get ER treatment and ACA government assistance and so forth and so on.

The children are legal, jake. Damn. And if those employers get caught employing them, they will be dealt witgh accordingly. Fixes are never easy.
I fail to understand how giving them paths to citizenship would help. Especially since yesterday I broke that fallacy down for you. OF COURSE, I didn't get a response

You broke your ass nothing else.
Every point of mine above is so. There will be no mass deportations.

And who is talking about citizenship: they want legal status.

 

[Contumacious]

No job, no healthcare, no schooling, no drivers license, no voting (sorry Ds), and most will self deport.

PRIOR TO 1965


There was , no healthcare, no welfare

they came here made some money and went back home without a problem.


.

 

[DGS49]

As for the "legal citizen" children of illegal aliens, their fate would be up to their parents. They either go home with their parents or remain here, possibly in the care of friends or relatives. Not our problem.

As for the "dreamers" children born overseas and brought here illegally by their parents, fuck 'em. If your father is a law-breaker, you will suffer. That holds true whether your father was a killer, a bank robber, an extortionist, or a tax cheat. Or an illegal border-jumper. In all of these cases the kids suffer, and you could say, "it ain't fair," but it also ain't my problem. It is the problem caused by the parents' criminal activity.