What is the goal of capitalism?

[Cellblock2429]

European colonialism was heavily influenced by capitalism, in its pursuit of profits and raw materials, including gold. The pursuit of profits through the sale of commodified human beings i.e. slaves, was an extremely lucrative business. You and Todd are confused and self-deluded. Many wars are fought by the US and its Western allies, for $$$$$$$$$$$. The illegal war in Iraq, all of the trillions of dollars spent chasing after goat herders in Afghanistan. It's all a racket.

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Brigadier General Smedley Darlington Butler
The antiwar classic by America's most decorated general,

War Is a Racket - Wikipedia

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https://ia801004.us.archive.org/6/items/warisaracketelectronicresourcetheantiwarclassicbyam/War%20is%20a%20racket%20%5Belectronic%20resource%5D%20%20the%20antiwar%20classic%20by%20Am.pdf

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The tens of billions of dollars that we've recently spent in Ukraine, filling the coffers of the military-industrial complex i.e. war profiteers, keeping that war HOT & PROFITABLE. It's all due to the private pursuit of profits (capitalism). Add the billions that we've already spent in weapons in Ukraine since 2014, to feed the war between the Kyiv government and the Russo Ukrainians of the Donbas.

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When one factors in all of the lives that have been lost as a result of government policies purchased by capitalists to protect and serve their vested interests. It amounts to hundreds of millions of people.

What is the death count of capitalism?
222,500,000+ Deaths due to certain events:

• 100,000,000: Extermination of native Americans (1492–1890)
• 15,000,000: Atlantic slave trade (1500–1870)
• 150,000: French repression of Haiti slave revolt (1792–1803)
• 300,000: French conquest of Algeria (1830–1847)
• 50,000: Opium Wars (1839–1842 & 1856–1860)
• 1,000,000: Irish Potato Famine (1845–1849)
• 100,000: British supression of the Sepoy Mutiny (1857–1858)
• 20,000: Paris Commune Massacre (1871)
• 29,000,000: Famine in British Colonized India (1876–1879 & 1897–1902)
• 3,445: Black people lynched in the US (1882–1964)
• 10,000,000: Belgian Congo Atrocities: (1885–1908)
• 250,000: US conquest of the Philipines (1898–1913)
• 28,000: British concentration camps in South Africa (1899–1902)
• 800,000: French exploitation of Equitorial Africans (1900–1940)
• 65,000: German genocide of the Herero and Namaqua (1904–1907)
• 10,000,000: First World War (1914–1918)
• 100,000: White army pogroms against Jews (1917–1920)
• 600,000: Fascist Italian conquest in Africa (1922–1943)
• 10,000,000: Japanese Imperialism in East Asia (1931–1945)
• 200,000: White Terror in Spain (1936–1945)
• 25,000,000: Nazi oppression in Europe: (1938–1945)
• 30,000: Kuomintang Massacre in Taiwan (1947)
• 80,000: French suppression of Madagascar revolt (1947)
• 30,000: Israeli colonization of Palastine (1948-present)
• 100,000: South Korean Massacres (1948–1950)
• 50,000: British suppression of the Mau-Mau revolt (1952-1960)
• 16,000: Shah of Iran regime (1953–1979)
• 1,000,000: Algerian war of independence (1954–1962)
• 200,000: Juntas in Guatemala (1954–1962)
• 50,000: Papa & Baby Doc regimes in Haiti (1957–1971)
• 3,000,000: Vietnamese killed by US military (1963–1975)
• 1,000,000: Indonesian mass killings (1965–1966)
• 1,000,000: Biafran War (1967–1970)
• 400: Tlatelolco massacre (1968)
• 700,000: US bombing of Laos & Cambodia (1967–1973)
• 50,000: Somoza regime in Nicaragua (1972–1979)
• 3,200: Pinochet regime in Chile: (1973–1990)
• 1,500,000: Angola Civil War (1974–1992)
• 200,000: East Timor massacre (1975–1998)
• 1,000,000: Mozambique Civil War (1975–1990)
• 30,000: US-backed state terrorism in Argentina (1975–1990)
• 70,000: El Salvador military dictatorships (1977–1991)
• 30,000: Contra proxy war in Nicaragua: (1979–1990)
• 16,000: Bhopal Carbide disaster (1984)
• 3,000: US invasion of Panama (1989)
• 1,000,000: US embargo on Iraq (1991–2003)
• 400,000: Mujahideen faction conflict in Afghanistan (1992–1996)
• 200,000: Destruction of Yugoslavia (1992–1995)
• 6,000,000: Congolese Civil War (1997–2008)
• 30,000: NATO occupation of Afghanistan (2001-present)

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/---/ Quick - swim to Cuba, where capitalists are shot at sunrise. You'll be at home chopping sugar cane in 110 degree blazing heat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Communism turned Russia into the second-largest economy in the world and a world nuclear superpower. If you want to believe that people were going hungry in the USSR, go ahead and delude yourself. However, when we have socialism here in America, it will be even better than what existed in the USSR. Our technology is much more advanced now than it was back then. We also won't have a capitalist empire trying to destroy us since we are the capitalist empire that will be adopting socialism.

Communism turned Russia into the second-largest economy in the world

You really believe that? LOL!

If you want to believe that people were going hungry in the USSR, go ahead and delude yourself.

Hungry? Just because they had to wait in long lines for food and what little consumer goods
their shitty economy could churn out?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

/---/ Quick - swim to Cuba, where capitalists are shot at sunrise. You'll be at home chopping sugar cane in 110 degree blazing heat.

Can they still grow sugar cane?
Fucking idiots can't even afford fertilizer.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Communism turned Russia into the second-largest economy in the world

You really believe that? LOL!

If you want to believe that people were going hungry in the USSR, go ahead and delude yourself.

Hungry? Just because they had to wait in long lines for food and what little consumer goods
their shitty economy could churn out?

"Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s. A major strength of the Soviet economy was its enormous supply of oil and gas, which became much more valuable as exports after the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s."

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They generally didn't have to wait in any lines. It was during war and in the 1980s, when there were lines for a piece of bread and potatoes, as you mentioned earlier. Under the tsars and kulaks, there were famines and food shortages, and the standard of living of the average Russian was much lower than it was in the USSR. You flippantly, disingenuously dismiss the accomplishments of the Soviet Union and the fact that it was essentially in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. A new country, that started out as an under-industrialized, agrarian society, with more than half of its population, completely illiterate. From that to a world superpower in a few decades. They lost 27 million citizens in WW2 and recovered from that.

Why are you even mentioning the USSR, when we are in the 21st century, with access to technology that is much more advanced than what the Soviets had? With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain. From the mines to the processing plants to the factories, to the distribution centers and stores. We will have robots working 24/7, mining, manufacturing, transporting, storing, doing the inventory, and delivering. We have no need for you parasite capitalists. Bye bye.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

"Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s. A major strength of the Soviet economy was its enormous supply of oil and gas, which became much more valuable as exports after the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s."

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They generally didn't have to wait in any lines. It was during war and in the 1980s, when there were lines for a piece of bread and potatoes, as you mentioned earlier. Under the tsars and kulaks, there were famines and food shortages, and the standard of living of the average Russian was much lower than it was in the USSR. You flippantly, disingenuously dismiss the accomplishments of the Soviet Union and the fact that it was essentially in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. A new country, that started out as an under-industrialized, agrarian society, with more than half of its population, completely illiterate. From that to a world superpower in a few decades. They lost 27 million citizens in WW2 and recovered from that.

Why are you even mentioning the USSR, when we are in the 21st century, with access to technology that is much more advanced than what the Soviets had? With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain. From the mines to the processing plants to the factories, to the distribution centers and stores. We will have robots working 24/7, mining, manufacturing, transporting, storing, doing the inventory, and delivering. We have no need for you parasite capitalists. Bye bye.

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"Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s.

Yes, commie stats are very reliable. DURR

The scarcity of food and consumer goods went uninterrupted for the entire duration of the Soviet Union’s existence. It is Gorbachev’s refusal to change the state price policy that has worsened the shortages.

It’s arguable what exactly led to the USSR’s eventual collapse in 1991, but it’s self-evident that shortages became the tell-tale sign of the degradation of the centrally-planned economy.

And has the USSR tried to fight against its growing queues and unsatisfactory customer experience? It has but not quite effectively.

Reports from the NKVD mention thousand-people long queues in city stores in the late 30s and early 40s. Instead of trying to improve the situation, law enforcement agencies went about it their own way.

In 1940, queues were practically outlawed: there could be a queue inside a store during its working hours, but queues outside the store were punishable by fines.

Needless to say, that was nothing more than a way to treat the symptoms, not cure the system’s apparent disease.

Back in the USSR: The Art of Soviet Queues | Qminder

You think you have it bad with long queues? Let’s go a few decades back, to the Soviet Union bread lines. Today’s essay is “Customer service in the USSR”.

www.qminder.com

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s. A major strength of the Soviet economy was its enormous supply of oil and gas, which became much more valuable as exports after the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s."

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They generally didn't have to wait in any lines. It was during war and in the 1980s, when there were lines for a piece of bread and potatoes, as you mentioned earlier. Under the tsars and kulaks, there were famines and food shortages, and the standard of living of the average Russian was much lower than it was in the USSR. You flippantly, disingenuously dismiss the accomplishments of the Soviet Union and the fact that it was essentially in a state of war, from 1917 to 1991. A new country, that started out as an under-industrialized, agrarian society, with more than half of its population, completely illiterate. From that to a world superpower in a few decades. They lost 27 million citizens in WW2 and recovered from that.

Why are you even mentioning the USSR, when we are in the 21st century, with access to technology that is much more advanced than what the Soviets had? With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain. From the mines to the processing plants to the factories, to the distribution centers and stores. We will have robots working 24/7, mining, manufacturing, transporting, storing, doing the inventory, and delivering. We have no need for you parasite capitalists. Bye bye.

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Why are you even mentioning the USSR

Because it shows how awesome communism was.

With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain.

Hilarious! Will the commies be using capitalist automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, or the commie variety?

 

[sparky]

with more than half of its population, completely illiterate.

and i'll have you know i could read that with little ado CM

Yet the point of political stripe equating to the welfare of it's constituency stands

There is no metric that i know of

~S~

 

[TruthNotBS]

"Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s.
Yes, commie stats are very reliable. DURR

The scarcity of food and consumer goods went uninterrupted for the entire duration of the Soviet Union’s existence. It is Gorbachev’s refusal to change the state price policy that has worsened the shortages.

It’s arguable what exactly led to the USSR’s eventual collapse in 1991, but it’s self-evident that shortages became the tell-tale sign of the degradation of the centrally-planned economy.

And has the USSR tried to fight against its growing queues and unsatisfactory customer experience? It has but not quite effectively.

Reports from the NKVD mention thousand-people long queues in city stores in the late 30s and early 40s. Instead of trying to improve the situation, law enforcement agencies went about it their own way.

In 1940, queues were practically outlawed: there could be a queue inside a store during its working hours, but queues outside the store were punishable by fines.

Needless to say, that was nothing more than a way to treat the symptoms, not cure the system’s apparent disease.

Back in the USSR: The Art of Soviet Queues | Qminder

You think you have it bad with long queues? Let’s go a few decades back, to the Soviet Union bread lines. Today’s essay is “Customer service in the USSR”.

www.qminder.com

All of that was written by people like you. Even then they can't deny that the Soviet Union was the second-largest economy in the world. The standard of living for the vast majority of Russians improved in the Soviet Union and that's why so many people who are asked in Russia, how they feel about the USSR, actually would like it restored. So despite the fact that that Wikipedia was written by pro-capitalist, anti-socialist authors, they can't deny that the Soviets were a world superpower and had the second-largest economy in the world. Despite of all of the obstacles and challenges it faced.

In the modern age, with much more advanced technology than the Soviets had and without all of the wars and challenges to our existence, as the Soviets had to confront, we here in the United States will flourish with democratic socialism. The rational, high-tech central planning of our economy, in collaboration with American workers, will create an economy of extreme abundance. So you're comparing apples with tuna sandwiches, when you compare the Soviet state socialism, to a modern, high-tech, highly automated American, democratic state socialism. One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why are you even mentioning the USSR

Because it shows how awesome communism was.

With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain.

Hilarious! Will the commies be using capitalist automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, or the commie variety?

Completely different context and circumstances. Capitalists didn't defeat and replace the kings and feudal lords overnight, it took centuries for them to become the powerful industrialists of the 19th century. Why does socialism have to replace capitalism in one definitive, single swoop of its sword? The outcome of one try or experiment? The result of one war or conflict determines the viability of socialism as the successor of capitalism? You're not thinking straight.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Why are you even mentioning the USSR

Because it shows how awesome communism was.

With advanced automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, we will be able to automate production and do the central planning and accounting with powerful computers and sensors, at every stage of the production process and supply chain.

Hilarious! Will the commies be using capitalist automation, artificial intelligence, and high-speed computing, or the commie variety?

Here is some more interesting quotes from that Wikipedia page:

"Beginning in 1930, the course of the economy of the Soviet Union was guided by a series of five-year plans. By the 1950s, the Soviet Union had rapidly evolved from a mainly agrarian society into a major industrial power.[15] Its transformative capacity meant communism consistently appealed to the intellectuals of developing countries in Asia.[16] Impressive growth rates during the first three five-year plans (1928–1940) are particularly notable given that this period is nearly congruent with the Great Depression.[17] During this period, the Soviet Union saw rapid industrial growth while other regions were suffering from crisis.[18] The White House National Security Council of the United States described the continuing growth as a "proven ability to carry backward countries speedily through the crisis of modernization and industrialization", and the impoverished base upon which the five-year plans sought to build meant that at the commencement of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 the country was still poor.[19][20]"

Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s. A major strength of the Soviet economy was its enormous supply of oil and gas, which became much more valuable as exports after the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s. As Daniel Yergin notes, the Soviet economy in its final decades was "heavily dependent on vast natural resources–oil and gas in particular". World oil prices collapsed in 1986, putting heavy pressure on the economy.[21] After Mikhail Gorbachev became the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and came to power in 1985, he began a process of economic liberalization by dismantling the command economy and moving towards a mixed economy modeled after Lenin's New Economic Policy. At its dissolution at the end of 1991, the Soviet Union began a Russian Federation with a growing pile of $66 billion in external debt and with barely a few billion dollars in net gold and foreign exchange reserves.[22]

The complex demands of the modern economy somewhat constrained the central planners. Data fiddling became common practice among the bureaucracy by reporting fulfilled targets and quotas, thus entrenching the crisis. From the Stalin-era to the early Brezhnev-era, the Soviet economy grew slower than Japan and faster than the United States. GDP levels in 1950 (in billion 1990 dollars) were 510 (100%) in the Soviet Union, 161 (100%) in Japan and 1,456 (100%) in the United States. By 1965, the corresponding values were 1,011 (198%), 587 (365%) and 2,607 (179%).[23] The Soviet Union maintained itself as the world's second largest economy in both nominal and purchasing power parity values throughout the Cold War, when Japan's economy exceeded $3 trillion in nominal value.[24]

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[Mexicano]

Most of what Western academics say about Stalin is bullshit.

Most, not all. He did order the murder of his opponents like Trotsky and he also send thousands to the gulags.
What's next portraying Pol-Pot as an extraordinary leader?

One thing is to defend communal property and means of production, defending absolute dictators is a completely different matter. Seldom is the case that a dictator behaves in a decent manner.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Most, not all. He did order the murder of his opponents like Trotsky and he also send thousands to the gulags.
What's next portraying Pol-Pot as an extraordinary leader?

One thing is to defend communal property and means of production, defending absolute dictators is a completely different matter. Seldom is the case that a dictator behaves in a decent manner.

Most, not all. He did order the murder of his opponents like Trotsky and he also send thousands to the gulags.
What's next portraying Pol-Pot as an extraordinary leader?

Stalin and Pol Pot were completely different. You admit that most of the rhetoric against Stalin is bullshit, then you spew one of the most twisted comparisons you could've made. Stalin was indeed an extraordinary leader.

One thing is to defend communal property and means of production, defending absolute dictators is a completely different matter. Seldom is the case that a dictator behaves in a decent manner.

Stalin wasn't an absolute dictator. The record shows that he was chosen by the party to lead the USSR, and there are many documents showing how he was often challenged ideologically, and otherwise, and those people who did it without conspiring to eliminate him or start a coup weren't arrested or killed. Disagreeing with Stalin and debating with him on his policies, wasn't considered an act of treason. Conspiring to kill him was.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Can they still grow sugar cane?
Fucking idiots can't even afford fertilizer.

Lift the sanctions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

All of that was written by people like you. Even then they can't deny that the Soviet Union was the second-largest economy in the world. The standard of living for the vast majority of Russians improved in the Soviet Union and that's why so many people who are asked in Russia, how they feel about the USSR, actually would like it restored. So despite the fact that that Wikipedia was written by pro-capitalist, anti-socialist authors, they can't deny that the Soviets were a world superpower and had the second-largest economy in the world. Despite of all of the obstacles and challenges it faced.

In the modern age, with much more advanced technology than the Soviets had and without all of the wars and challenges to our existence, as the Soviets had to confront, we here in the United States will flourish with democratic socialism. The rational, high-tech central planning of our economy, in collaboration with American workers, will create an economy of extreme abundance. So you're comparing apples with tuna sandwiches, when you compare the Soviet state socialism, to a modern, high-tech, highly automated American, democratic state socialism. One has nothing to do with the other.

Even then they can't deny that the Soviet Union was the second-largest economy in the world.

I can deny that.

The standard of living for the vast majority of Russians improved in the Soviet Union

Except for the tens of millions killed and/or thrown in the gulag.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is some more interesting quotes from that Wikipedia page:

"Beginning in 1930, the course of the economy of the Soviet Union was guided by a series of five-year plans. By the 1950s, the Soviet Union had rapidly evolved from a mainly agrarian society into a major industrial power.[15] Its transformative capacity meant communism consistently appealed to the intellectuals of developing countries in Asia.[16] Impressive growth rates during the first three five-year plans (1928–1940) are particularly notable given that this period is nearly congruent with the Great Depression.[17] During this period, the Soviet Union saw rapid industrial growth while other regions were suffering from crisis.[18] The White House National Security Council of the United States described the continuing growth as a "proven ability to carry backward countries speedily through the crisis of modernization and industrialization", and the impoverished base upon which the five-year plans sought to build meant that at the commencement of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 the country was still poor.[19][20]"

Even so, the Soviet Union had the second largest economy in the world from the end of World War II until the mid 1980s. A major strength of the Soviet economy was its enormous supply of oil and gas, which became much more valuable as exports after the world price of oil skyrocketed in the 1970s. As Daniel Yergin notes, the Soviet economy in its final decades was "heavily dependent on vast natural resources–oil and gas in particular". World oil prices collapsed in 1986, putting heavy pressure on the economy.[21] After Mikhail Gorbachev became the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and came to power in 1985, he began a process of economic liberalization by dismantling the command economy and moving towards a mixed economy modeled after Lenin's New Economic Policy. At its dissolution at the end of 1991, the Soviet Union began a Russian Federation with a growing pile of $66 billion in external debt and with barely a few billion dollars in net gold and foreign exchange reserves.[22]

The complex demands of the modern economy somewhat constrained the central planners. Data fiddling became common practice among the bureaucracy by reporting fulfilled targets and quotas, thus entrenching the crisis. From the Stalin-era to the early Brezhnev-era, the Soviet economy grew slower than Japan and faster than the United States. GDP levels in 1950 (in billion 1990 dollars) were 510 (100%) in the Soviet Union, 161 (100%) in Japan and 1,456 (100%) in the United States. By 1965, the corresponding values were 1,011 (198%), 587 (365%) and 2,607 (179%).[23] The Soviet Union maintained itself as the world's second largest economy in both nominal and purchasing power parity values throughout the Cold War, when Japan's economy exceeded $3 trillion in nominal value.[24]

Economy of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Impressive growth rates during the first three five-year plans (1928–1940) are particularly notable given that this period is nearly congruent with the Great Depression.[17]

Who said the five-year plans had high growth rates? Walter Duranty?

As Daniel Yergin notes, the Soviet economy in its final decades was "heavily dependent on vast natural resources–oil and gas in particular"

Because, despite their awesome 5-year plans, they didn't make much and what they made sucked.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Most, not all. He did order the murder of his opponents like Trotsky and he also send thousands to the gulags.
What's next portraying Pol-Pot as an extraordinary leader?

Stalin and Pol Pot were completely different. You admit that most of the rhetoric against Stalin is bullshit, then you spew one of the most twisted comparisons you could've made. Stalin was indeed an extraordinary leader.

One thing is to defend communal property and means of production, defending absolute dictators is a completely different matter. Seldom is the case that a dictator behaves in a decent manner.

Stalin wasn't an absolute dictator. The record shows that he was chosen by the party to lead the USSR, and there are many documents showing how he was often challenged ideologically, and otherwise, and those people who did it without conspiring to eliminate him or start a coup weren't arrested or killed. Disagreeing with Stalin and debating with him on his policies, wasn't considered an act of treason. Conspiring to kill him was.

Stalin was indeed an extraordinary leader.

Extraordinarily evil.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lift the sanctions.

Cuba can't buy Russian fertilizer delivered on Russian ships?

 

[Red Front]

Even then they can't deny that the Soviet Union was the second-largest economy in the world.

I can deny that.

The standard of living for the vast majority of Russians improved in the Soviet Union

Except for the tens of millions killed and/or thrown in the gulag.

You deny the fact that it was the second-largest economy?

The ten largest economies by average values of GDP (nominal) by every half decade from the available data in IMF, World Bank, and United Nations lists (in USD billions):

As far as the millions killed. Class warfare is bloody, millions of communists and anti-communist scumbags like you died.



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[Red Front]

Cuba can't buy Russian fertilizer delivered on Russian ships?

Those Russian ships won't be able to anchor at any American port for 180 days after disembarking in Cuba. Not too many companies will opt to have their ships barred from American ports to do business with Cuba.

 

[Red Front]

Stalin was indeed an extraordinary leader.

Extraordinarily evil.

For brainwashed anti-communist shitheads like you, yes. Most Russians love him and so do most communists. BTW, he was pro-life/anti-abortion, believed in family values by creating the "Soviet Family" policy, which supported marriage, women raising their children, and made LGBTQA+ lunacy illegal. How many human lives have been ripped to pieces in women's wombs in the US? About 70+ million.