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Not much, really. You're not rich. I doubt your taxes would have to go up much at all. And everyone would pay less for, for instance, healthcare, if we had single payer. That includes you. And, with better schools, much of what you already spend on the penal system would simply be spent, instead, on schools. So you aren't looking at it the right way.How much do I have to TRANSFER to you to make it equal?
Worked for me!Expanding the federal government in an booming economy.... Never a good thing
Actually not true. There is incentive to make it cheap. If healthcare is expensive the government has to make up the shortfall. They have to raise taxes then. You think that wouldn't effect their ability to get reelected. I'll give you a few practical examples, forgive me that they will be again anecdotal. My town population around 35000 is serviced by about 15 people who administrate our health insurance.( State run). Between the people who administer your several health insurance providers, pharmacy techs who's sole job it is to call those providers to fill scrips, medical billing and coders and other staff. How many people does it take to service 35000 people in the US? My GP doesn't have a secretary in fact almost none of them do. That simply isn't possible in the US. Most of the middle men between patient and doctor has been eliminated here, all people you don't have to pay. So is most of the for profit motive. One of my wives friends in the US had a lapband surgery 2 years ago. It took her 2 years, countless doctors visit, and thousands of dollars to get it done. My wife had a gastric bypass last year. It took her 4 months, 1 doctors visit and 1 full day of tests. What's cheaper and more efficient?I did know one can get primary care in any hospital. My wife is American by the way. No it's not faster then in my country ( although I can't vouch for other European countries). It's actually after that that the US lacks. What you guy do is making it economical unfeasible for certain segments of the populace to receive decent care. I know this because exactly that happened to my brother in law.Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?Actually, what you guys really hate is not socialism. You hate a more equal society.
Anything you dont like gets the label "socialism".
Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.
An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!
In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare. Did you know that? They can walk right in to any healthcare center, and they are INSTANTLY taken care of! From what I understand, that is a whole lot faster than you are-)
What YOU are talking about, is HEALTH INSURANCE. Health insurance, is NOT healthcare!
Now my European friend, let me ask you a question-----------> You are sick, really sick! You have your charming and delightful National Healthcare insurance. You go to a facility, and they tell you they will run tests, in 4 months.
I go to MY healthcare facility, and they run the tests the next day, or within 5 days.
YOU DIE because the tests are to late to diagnose your problem. They pay.
I live, but they send me a bill!
Who is better off?
And if you say YOU are, you must be French, because they always surrender-)
As to your question. Again I can't speak for all of Europe honestly, because I don't know how it is in every country in Europe. What I do know that here,( Belgium) . You get seen by a doctor quickly. One even comes to your house if you are not mobile. If you get really sick or hurt care is immediate. As an example I've been having headaches lately a lot. My GP send me to get a CT scan in my local hospital. At no point was there cause for alarm yet I got my scan in 2 weeks. My wife on the other hand, (this was before we got married, so no insurance), broke her ankle here pretty badly. She got seen, operated on in one hectic afternoon. Nobody asked her how she would pay for it and they even made a follow up. This of course is all anecdotal. What isn't that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by far. Yet for most health indicators the US score below most of Europe
Well, at least you are real.
Let me put it to you this way, and I hope you really read this----------------> In a perfect world, I believe that healthcare should be a mix of government subsidies, AND personal control of cost, with the recipient being able to KEEP 1/2 of the subsidy, if he/she comes in UNDER the subsidy, returning the other 1/2 to the government.
Why?
Because then the patient will attempt to get the LOWEST cost for their care, forcing healthcare facilities to COMPETE for their business, just as if you are purchasing a car, or beef, or oil, or natural gas.
Without the patient being given incentives to lower costs to themselves, nobody wins. The providers know if they give good or bad service, they get the same amount, or the patient knowing that no matter the service they receive, the government pays it, no entity has incentive to do anything.
FREEDOM is choice, plain and simple. You will only CHOOSE something different, if it benefits you! Those giving YOU healthcare will want those dollars, so they will alter what they provide by price, or care, so as YOU choose them.
Do you like money? So do they! So by competition, they will try to get more people to spend their healthcare dollars there. And there is only 2 ways to do it. Lower prices, or better care. That is a win-win! And then, you will get facilities who will offer lower prices, and BETTER than average care! If you get to keep 50% of the subsidy, you WILL be looking for that!
This is why SOCIALISM does NOT work! As long as something is free, the product doesn't have to get better, and as long as somebody else pays for it, the price never has to come down!
No, they don't. And that's the problem.There is incentive to make it cheap. If healthcare is expensive the government has to make up the shortfall. They have to raise taxes then.
Lol yes they do. Running up a deficit is even worse in Belgium then raising taxes for reelection.No, they don't. And that's the problem.There is incentive to make it cheap. If healthcare is expensive the government has to make up the shortfall. They have to raise taxes then.
Not much, really. You're not rich. I doubt your taxes would have to go up much at all. And everyone would pay less for, for instance, healthcare, if we had single payer. That includes you. And, with better schools, much of what you already spend on the penal system would simply be spent, instead, on schools. So you aren't looking at it the right way.How much do I have to TRANSFER to you to make it equal?
Using the filibuster-buster that Harry Reid invented, I believe?I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.
My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."
For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.
The hardcore Left wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.
Any thoughts?
.
A total and complete departure from the constitution, the rule of law and regular order.
At it's wost with McConnell.
The idea that a SCOTUS seat should be refused for an entire year is anathema to the constitutional norms underpinning our democracy. Complete disregard by the administration for the oversight authority of the congress is another.
Republicans have shown time and again that they have no desire or ability to govern within the prescribed lanes.
Actually not true. There is incentive to make it cheap. If healthcare is expensive the government has to make up the shortfall. They have to raise taxes then. You think that wouldn't effect their ability to get reelected. I'll give you a few practical examples, forgive me that they will be again anecdotal. My town population around 35000 is serviced by about 15 people who administrate our health insurance.( State run). Between the people who administer your several health insurance providers, pharmacy techs who's sole job it is to call those providers to fill scrips, medical billing and coders and other staff. How many people does it take to service 35000 people in the US? My GP doesn't have a secretary in fact almost none of them do. That simply isn't possible in the US. Most of the middle men between patient and doctor has been eliminated here, all people you don't have to pay. So is most of the for profit motive. One of my wives friends in the US had a lapband surgery 2 years ago. It took her 2 years, countless doctors visit, and thousands of dollars to get it done. My wife had a gastric bypass last year. It took her 4 months, 1 doctors visit and 1 full day of tests. What's cheaper and more efficient?I did know one can get primary care in any hospital. My wife is American by the way. No it's not faster then in my country ( although I can't vouch for other European countries). It's actually after that that the US lacks. What you guy do is making it economical unfeasible for certain segments of the populace to receive decent care. I know this because exactly that happened to my brother in law.Getting sick and needing medicine is not screwing the pooch. Yet the GOP is actively trying to destroy the ability of a significant portion of the populace to get health care. You don't like socialism? I live in Europe. Here everyone has the same opportunity. Not everybody has the same outcome. What we do better, not by any means perfectly is making sure that that opportunity is the same for everybody. Healthcare is available to all, education on all levels is available to all. This is an equal society by your definition is it not?Now that is RIDICULOUS, and your statement is as phony as the day is long.
An equal society is where everyone has the same opportunity, not the same outcome. What you do with your opportunity is YOUR choice. Do not come back to me and claim I owe you something, because you screwed the pooch!
In America, we do NOT DENY ANYONE healthcare. Did you know that? They can walk right in to any healthcare center, and they are INSTANTLY taken care of! From what I understand, that is a whole lot faster than you are-)
What YOU are talking about, is HEALTH INSURANCE. Health insurance, is NOT healthcare!
Now my European friend, let me ask you a question-----------> You are sick, really sick! You have your charming and delightful National Healthcare insurance. You go to a facility, and they tell you they will run tests, in 4 months.
I go to MY healthcare facility, and they run the tests the next day, or within 5 days.
YOU DIE because the tests are to late to diagnose your problem. They pay.
I live, but they send me a bill!
Who is better off?
And if you say YOU are, you must be French, because they always surrender-)
As to your question. Again I can't speak for all of Europe honestly, because I don't know how it is in every country in Europe. What I do know that here,( Belgium) . You get seen by a doctor quickly. One even comes to your house if you are not mobile. If you get really sick or hurt care is immediate. As an example I've been having headaches lately a lot. My GP send me to get a CT scan in my local hospital. At no point was there cause for alarm yet I got my scan in 2 weeks. My wife on the other hand, (this was before we got married, so no insurance), broke her ankle here pretty badly. She got seen, operated on in one hectic afternoon. Nobody asked her how she would pay for it and they even made a follow up. This of course is all anecdotal. What isn't that the US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world by far. Yet for most health indicators the US score below most of Europe
Well, at least you are real.
Let me put it to you this way, and I hope you really read this----------------> In a perfect world, I believe that healthcare should be a mix of government subsidies, AND personal control of cost, with the recipient being able to KEEP 1/2 of the subsidy, if he/she comes in UNDER the subsidy, returning the other 1/2 to the government.
Why?
Because then the patient will attempt to get the LOWEST cost for their care, forcing healthcare facilities to COMPETE for their business, just as if you are purchasing a car, or beef, or oil, or natural gas.
Without the patient being given incentives to lower costs to themselves, nobody wins. The providers know if they give good or bad service, they get the same amount, or the patient knowing that no matter the service they receive, the government pays it, no entity has incentive to do anything.
FREEDOM is choice, plain and simple. You will only CHOOSE something different, if it benefits you! Those giving YOU healthcare will want those dollars, so they will alter what they provide by price, or care, so as YOU choose them.
Do you like money? So do they! So by competition, they will try to get more people to spend their healthcare dollars there. And there is only 2 ways to do it. Lower prices, or better care. That is a win-win! And then, you will get facilities who will offer lower prices, and BETTER than average care! If you get to keep 50% of the subsidy, you WILL be looking for that!
This is why SOCIALISM does NOT work! As long as something is free, the product doesn't have to get better, and as long as somebody else pays for it, the price never has to come down!
No I don't. You think that. I think the rich will still be rich. And I think there will be more of them.You think you are screwing the rich, lol.
There are no conservative policies currently being in effect in the U.S. today.I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.
My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."
For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.
The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.
Any thoughts?
.
Lol yes they do. Running up a deficit is even worse in Belgium then raising taxes for reelection.No, they don't. And that's the problem.There is incentive to make it cheap. If healthcare is expensive the government has to make up the shortfall. They have to raise taxes then.
Sooooooooooooooooo, if I live better than you do being just a former blue collar worker, you are suggesting that I live less, so that those who made BAD decisions in life, have healthcare, while I give up my stuff to make them happy.
Is that how the world is supposed to work?
What is the most destructive Conservative policy in the US today?I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.
My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."
For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.
The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.
Any thoughts?
.
I do not know what you are trying to say.Sooooooooooooooooo, if I live better than you do being just a former blue collar worker, you are suggesting that I live less, so that those who made BAD decisions in life, have healthcare, while I give up my stuff to make them happy.
Is that how the world is supposed to work?
I'm a blue collar red neck , living large off the sweat of my brow. In fact i built my pwn farm, my own biz, owe nuthin' to nobody .
And i could pat myself on the back, call myself a self made man, anyone who visits me would agree i've played my cards right, where i could be smug and claim it so.
But nothing could be further from truth, there are no self made men, libertopia isn't reality, and by far and large the game is rigged in America
Nothing here is a meritocracy.
Nothing about us is moral.
We'd eat each other in a cocaine heartbeat to gain a leg up
We're all about lauding winners , while demonizing loosers, in a system designed for failure.
THAT is socially engineered from the womb here, so much that we're literally blinded by our own gestalt
~S~
I'll try a companion thread to the one on liberal policies.
My response to that thread was "The worst liberal policy is the same it's always been: Lowering standards & expectations for groups it decides are oppressed, and in turn enabling that group's worst behaviors, hurting them and the country in the future."
For this thread, I'd say: The worst conservative policy is their absolute refusal to admit and accept the fact that, in any given socioeconomic system, there will be people who function better within it, and those who function worse within it. And those people are being left behind, FAR behind, with this absolutist anti-government madness that began when the Right took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech tag line as literal gospel.
The hardcore Left has wrecked our culture; the hardcore Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. A pox on both houses.
Any thoughts?
.
LOL...To some degree the GOP is also rigged.
Nonsense. The GOP is rigged to the exact same degree as the Dems.
