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OWS is blatantly breaking laws.
The Tea Party spread their message legally ... and safely. OWS jumped straight to health hazard status.
Getting a reaction from police seems to be an integral part of their plan.
The basis of what they seem to want is not an end to government because that would mean the end of the wealth redistribution that they desire so emphatically. What they seem to want is to end our economic basis in its entirety. They want to destroy the economy that literally feeds them. What they fail to realize is that if they got what they want they would actually lose everything they have. They don't seem to realize the consequences of what they demand.
Immie
I've talked to many who have been at the OWS protests and they say that the mainstream media is distorting the protests.OWS is blatantly breaking laws.
The Tea Party spread their message legally ... and safely. OWS jumped straight to health hazard status.
Getting a reaction from police seems to be an integral part of their plan.
I suggest you vary your news sources, because you aren't getting the full picture.
You grossly exaggerate health issues.
You take breaking city ordinances as if they were felonies.
You are unaware that many protestors have told anyone baiting the police to back off.
You pretend that no Tea Party protestor was ever out of control, when we all know that isn't true.
Yet one thing is clear, while Occupy Wall Street protesters are calling for government reform, they still believe in government.
The right believes in government, for things like enforcing laws so that people have the security they need to pursue the American Dream.
OWS is blatantly breaking laws.
The Tea Party spread their message legally ... and safely. OWS jumped straight to health hazard status.
Getting a reaction from police seems to be an integral part of their plan.
Yet one thing is clear, while Occupy Wall Street protesters are calling for government reform, they still believe in government.
The right believes in government, for things like enforcing laws so that people have the security they need to pursue the American Dream.
OWS is blatantly breaking laws.
The Tea Party spread their message legally ... and safely. OWS jumped straight to health hazard status.
Getting a reaction from police seems to be an integral part of their plan.
I suppose you're ignoring what happened at UCDavis. The police used excessive force there.
Just because the Tea Party makes a more "acceptable" presentation does not mean the Tea Party are more valid a protest than OWS. The right wing wants to get rid of OWS. They threaten the status quo.
If indeed it is proven that this is the case then yes, he should be disciplined. Thank you for acknowledging it was your opinion, not factual evidence presented in a court of law..........Almost everything typed here is an opinion....
Too bad some people seem to have difficulty making that clear........ Go figure.
the historical progession of wanton law breaking at protests drives the police response
i know you dont like it but in a orderly and lawful society we all have to obey the laws
the police just cant turn their back to law breaking and arrest resistance
Good point and I am not asking them to "turn their back to law breaking and arrest resistance". What I am saying is that from what I have seen and read, it seems that they used more force than was necessary.
Immie
This is by design.
You are going to see & read exactly what the MSM wants you to.
They certainly are not going to show you the times when law enforcement using extreme patience in dealing with these losers.
That does'nt make for interesting news.
Im sorry if I am pointing out the obvious... just had to add my .02
The basis of what they seem to want is not an end to government because that would mean the end of the wealth redistribution that they desire so emphatically. What they seem to want is to end our economic basis in its entirety. They want to destroy the economy that literally feeds them. What they fail to realize is that if they got what they want they would actually lose everything they have. They don't seem to realize the consequences of what they demand.
Immie
Well, that's the Fox News editorial for the day.
You misstate the current state of our financial system as well as what the protestors desire.
The primary focus has been 1. Wall Street corruption, 2. the need for jobs, and 3. the extreme wealth disparity in the US.
They want the rule of law for all, and they want an economy that works for everyone, not just for those at the top.
Too bad some people seem to have difficulty making that clear........ Go figure.
It's easy with my posts. If I post a fact, then I state that is a fact.
Everything else is merely an opinion. Of course, and informed opinion.
Good point and I am not asking them to "turn their back to law breaking and arrest resistance". What I am saying is that from what I have seen and read, it seems that they used more force than was necessary.
Immie
This is by design.
You are going to see & read exactly what the MSM wants you to.
They certainly are not going to show you the times when law enforcement using extreme patience in dealing with these losers.
That does'nt make for interesting news.
Im sorry if I am pointing out the obvious... just had to add my .02
You have now been nominated for the "Captain Obvious" post of the year.
Immie
The basis of what they seem to want is not an end to government because that would mean the end of the wealth redistribution that they desire so emphatically. What they seem to want is to end our economic basis in its entirety. They want to destroy the economy that literally feeds them. What they fail to realize is that if they got what they want they would actually lose everything they have. They don't seem to realize the consequences of what they demand.
Immie
Well, that's the Fox News editorial for the day.
You misstate the current state of our financial system as well as what the protestors desire.
The primary focus has been 1. Wall Street corruption, 2. the need for jobs, and 3. the extreme wealth disparity in the US.
They want the rule of law for all, and they want an economy that works for everyone, not just for those at the top.
You are wrong. I didn't state anything at all about our current economic condition.
You focus points 1 and 3 are exactly what I was speaking about. They want to destroy Corporate America and redistribute the wealth of America.
So where do we disagree?
Immie
The proper method is to order the Gestapo to stay home and play their Call of Duty video game instead of showing up at peaceful protests. Let them get their roided-up aggression out at home on their video game. They're only causing problems at thes peaceful protests. Just tell em to stay home. Use a sick day.
No, I suppose you think the police force should just go to their own homes and let an unlawfully assembled crowd do whatever it wishes and you'll just hope for the best that they will remain peaceful and not cause you any grief. And if your customers or visitors to your home are not equally convinced and decide to stay away, that's just fine and dandy with you.
I suppose there is no arguing with a committed anarchist any more than there is any benefit in arguing with a committed socialist/communist.
I'm sure that there are anarchists in both the Tea Party and in OWS, but that appeared, in both cases, to be a minority view.
They are on public property. Not private property.
No, I suppose you think the police force should just go to their own homes and let an unlawfully assembled crowd do whatever it wishes and you'll just hope for the best that they will remain peaceful and not cause you any grief. And if your customers or visitors to your home are not equally convinced and decide to stay away, that's just fine and dandy with you.
I suppose there is no arguing with a committed anarchist any more than there is any benefit in arguing with a committed socialist/communist.
I'm sure that there are anarchists in both the Tea Party and in OWS, but that appeared, in both cases, to be a minority view.
They are on public property. Not private property.
No, I suppose you think the police force should just go to their own homes and let an unlawfully assembled crowd do whatever it wishes and you'll just hope for the best that they will remain peaceful and not cause you any grief. And if your customers or visitors to your home are not equally convinced and decide to stay away, that's just fine and dandy with you.
I suppose there is no arguing with a committed anarchist any more than there is any benefit in arguing with a committed socialist/communist.
I'm sure that there are anarchists in both the Tea Party and in OWS, but that appeared, in both cases, to be a minority view.
They are on public property. Not private property.
But in not a SINGLE case that I know of has the Tea Party done anything to violate the law or disrespect the rights of others. They ALWAYS get any necessary permits or permissions for their rally, they ALWAYS respect the rights and needs of others in the vicinity, and they ALWAYS clean up after themselves and don't leave a huge mess for others to deal with. I am unaware of a SINGLE case in which Tea Partiers defecated in the streets or on police cards, in which they assaulted anybody, in which they defaced or damaged any property. No anarchists that I've seen. These are law abiding good citizens.
And they don't resent the presence of police who are there in case it is necessary to intervene.
I have a separate thread going titled "What Leftism does to People" that compares the Tea Party with the OWS groups. It seems that many, if not most of the OWS are intentionally thwarting the law, thumbing their noses at authority, and disrespecting the rights of others.
Now, whether on public or private property, you can argue that the police should allow people to be disorderly, thugs, vandals, and violate the rights of others in the name of P.C. Or you can argue that none of us are above reasonable law and that good citizens obey the law and that is the best way to secure all our rights.
Your choice.
