What is "Unfettered Capitalism"?

The problem with these threads is always the same. The term "capitalism" does not include the grand enchilada that many people tend to attribute to it. The same is true for socialism, fascism, communism, etc. The result is that when 20 people engage in a discussion they're going to be talking about 12 different enchiladas, and invariably fail to find sufficient common ground to support a debate.

In this thread, most people have once again made the wrong assumptions because they are confusing capitalism with free markets.

The defining feature of capitalism has to do with ownership of the fruits of labor, i.e. profits. In capitalism, ownership of profits stems from supplying the capital. Hence, the name capitalism. If I own the capital that it took to produce a watermelon, then I own the product. That is where capitalism ends. What comes next is no longer about capitalism and is about the free market.

In a free market, I get to decide what I'm going to do with any watermelon that I happen to own. If I want to sell it, I can. If I want to eat it, I can. If I choose to sell it, I can charge whatever price I want. If someone agrees to buy at the price I choose to charge, then the price is adequately fair to all people who matter (the buyer and seller).

Capitalism does not require a free market to exist, nor does a free market require capitalism to exist.
If capitalism is controlled by the state it's fascism. But it isn't a misunderstanding at all. The left deliberately lies about what it is in order to forward socialism. That's why they insist on using the made up term unfettered capitalism, they put a qualifier on it and pretend that's what it is without state control.
 
I recall a neighbor telling me about their neighbors who bought into the lies of getting a loan and even today banksters were telling these people what they could and could not purchase right down to buying toilet paper. I kind of believe her story about her neighbors and the people she knew that lost out back in the 80's. Their loss was actually the entire nation's loss of liberty and freedom of choice.
That isn't capitalism, idiot.
Sure it is. That is the New Age capitIslam. Anything for a buck, paperwork, lobbyist, special interest and salespeople. Where have you been for the past fifty years? Or were you even born yet?
You're full of shit and don't even know what capitalism is. Now it's new age capitalism? You socialist fucks can't handle the truth.
Thanks you really know how to make a great point.
I do, I call a spade a spade.
 
I recall a neighbor telling me about their neighbors who bought into the lies of getting a loan and even today banksters were telling these people what they could and could not purchase right down to buying toilet paper. I kind of believe her story about her neighbors and the people she knew that lost out back in the 80's. Their loss was actually the entire nation's loss of liberty and freedom of choice.
That isn't capitalism, idiot.
Sure it is. That is the New Age capitIslam. Anything for a buck, paperwork, lobbyist, special interest and salespeople. Where have you been for the past fifty years? Or were you even born yet?
You're full of shit and don't even know what capitalism is. Now it's new age capitalism? You socialist fucks can't handle the truth.
Thanks you really know how to make a great point.
I do, I call a spade a spade.
No you just whine with trash when you talk out your ass. It is perfectly okay if that is what you personally choose to do.
 
That isn't capitalism, idiot.
Sure it is. That is the New Age capitIslam. Anything for a buck, paperwork, lobbyist, special interest and salespeople. Where have you been for the past fifty years? Or were you even born yet?
You're full of shit and don't even know what capitalism is. Now it's new age capitalism? You socialist fucks can't handle the truth.
Thanks you really know how to make a great point.
I do, I call a spade a spade.
No you just whine with trash when you talk out your ass. It is perfectly okay if that is what you personally choose to do.
I choose to point out you're an idiot that doesn't know what capitalism means.
 
The problem with these threads is always the same. The term "capitalism" does not include the grand enchilada that many people tend to attribute to it. The same is true for socialism, fascism, communism, etc. The result is that when 20 people engage in a discussion they're going to be talking about 12 different enchiladas, and invariably fail to find sufficient common ground to support a debate.

In this thread, most people have once again made the wrong assumptions because they are confusing capitalism with free markets.

The defining feature of capitalism has to do with ownership of the fruits of labor, i.e. profits. In capitalism, ownership of profits stems from supplying the capital. Hence, the name capitalism. If I own the capital that it took to produce a watermelon, then I own the product. That is where capitalism ends. What comes next is no longer about capitalism and is about the free market.

In a free market, I get to decide what I'm going to do with any watermelon that I happen to own. If I want to sell it, I can. If I want to eat it, I can. If I choose to sell it, I can charge whatever price I want. If someone agrees to buy at the price I choose to charge, then the price is adequately fair to all people who matter (the buyer and seller).

Capitalism does not require a free market to exist, nor does a free market require capitalism to exist.
If capitalism is controlled by the state it's fascism. But it isn't a misunderstanding at all. The left deliberately lies about what it is in order to forward socialism. That's why they insist on using the made up term unfettered capitalism, they put a qualifier on it and pretend that's what it is without state control.

Capitalism in the US is controlled by the state.
 
The problem with these threads is always the same. The term "capitalism" does not include the grand enchilada that many people tend to attribute to it. The same is true for socialism, fascism, communism, etc. The result is that when 20 people engage in a discussion they're going to be talking about 12 different enchiladas, and invariably fail to find sufficient common ground to support a debate.

In this thread, most people have once again made the wrong assumptions because they are confusing capitalism with free markets.

The defining feature of capitalism has to do with ownership of the fruits of labor, i.e. profits. In capitalism, ownership of profits stems from supplying the capital. Hence, the name capitalism. If I own the capital that it took to produce a watermelon, then I own the product. That is where capitalism ends. What comes next is no longer about capitalism and is about the free market.

In a free market, I get to decide what I'm going to do with any watermelon that I happen to own. If I want to sell it, I can. If I want to eat it, I can. If I choose to sell it, I can charge whatever price I want. If someone agrees to buy at the price I choose to charge, then the price is adequately fair to all people who matter (the buyer and seller).

Capitalism does not require a free market to exist, nor does a free market require capitalism to exist.
If capitalism is controlled by the state it's fascism. But it isn't a misunderstanding at all. The left deliberately lies about what it is in order to forward socialism. That's why they insist on using the made up term unfettered capitalism, they put a qualifier on it and pretend that's what it is without state control.

Capitalism in the US is controlled by the state.
Wrong. It is controlled too much but no agency tells me what to charge for my efforts.
 
"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.

It's a general term used to distinguish less regulated capitalism from more regulated capitalism.
A general term the left pulls out of their collective asses.

It's no different than saying 'free trade', or 'free markets'. When you use those terms I guarantee that you are not talking about trade or markets that are absolutely 'free'.
 
"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.
It's a general term used to distinguish less regulated capitalism from more regulated capitalism.
A general term the left pulls out of their collective asses.
And it starts the conversation off with a misnomer.

What's the point?
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Some people like to see their ineffective words rattle around on a web page.
 
"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.
It's a general term used to distinguish less regulated capitalism from more regulated capitalism.
A general term the left pulls out of their collective asses.
And it starts the conversation off with a misnomer. What's the point? .
Some people like to see their ineffective words rattle around on a web page.
:laugh:

Okay, fair point.
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"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.
So then, it's not really "unfettered".

Pretty tough to have honest conversations when dishonest terms are used.

The key is finding the right equilibrium, and that would be a constructive conversation.
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Since you are not participating in the conversation at all except to nitpick semantics, what the fuck do you care about 'constructive conversation'?
 
The problem with these threads is always the same. The term "capitalism" does not include the grand enchilada that many people tend to attribute to it. The same is true for socialism, fascism, communism, etc. The result is that when 20 people engage in a discussion they're going to be talking about 12 different enchiladas, and invariably fail to find sufficient common ground to support a debate.

In this thread, most people have once again made the wrong assumptions because they are confusing capitalism with free markets.

The defining feature of capitalism has to do with ownership of the fruits of labor, i.e. profits. In capitalism, ownership of profits stems from supplying the capital. Hence, the name capitalism. If I own the capital that it took to produce a watermelon, then I own the product. That is where capitalism ends. What comes next is no longer about capitalism and is about the free market.

In a free market, I get to decide what I'm going to do with any watermelon that I happen to own. If I want to sell it, I can. If I want to eat it, I can. If I choose to sell it, I can charge whatever price I want. If someone agrees to buy at the price I choose to charge, then the price is adequately fair to all people who matter (the buyer and seller).

Capitalism does not require a free market to exist, nor does a free market require capitalism to exist.
If capitalism is controlled by the state it's fascism. But it isn't a misunderstanding at all. The left deliberately lies about what it is in order to forward socialism. That's why they insist on using the made up term unfettered capitalism, they put a qualifier on it and pretend that's what it is without state control.

Capitalism in the US is controlled by the state.

Agreed. We don't have unfettered capitalism here.
 
"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.
It's a general term used to distinguish less regulated capitalism from more regulated capitalism.
A general term the left pulls out of their collective asses.
And it starts the conversation off with a misnomer.

What's the point?
.
Some people like to see their ineffective words rattle around on a web page.

Do you believe in free trade?
 
"Unfettered capitalism" is just another term for free trade.
So then, it's not really "unfettered".

Pretty tough to have honest conversations when dishonest terms are used.

The key is finding the right equilibrium, and that would be a constructive conversation.
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Since you are not participating in the conversation at all except to nitpick semantics, what the fuck do you care about 'constructive conversation'?
Sorry, I have twice brought up the significance of equilibrium and you have chosen not to respond.

Instead, you're just doing your regular partisan thing.

So, you're wrong. Tough shit.
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