What is wrong with being gay exactly?

[Syriusly]

Sound advice you should take yourself. The SCOTUS has ruled eight different times that marriage is a right. Whether that right extends to gays in states that prohibit gay marriage is what the court will answer come June.

No dumbass it hasn't. It merely ruled that no government agency can prevent gays from getting married. Period. Unless you think you can prove otherwise.

I am not saying the courts have ruled gay marriage is a right you dunce. I am saying that marriage is in fact a right. The courts will decide whether that right extends to gays in June. This isn't that hard to understand.

Yeah you said it liar, you want to back down now that's fine.

I did no such thing. Show me where I have stated that gay marriage was ruled as a right. I have said marriage is a right and whether gay marriage is a right is what the court will decide. You're being obtuse so you can assign me an argument that I've never made.

you want to play games? Ok, the SCOTUS has not ruled that marriage is a right, gay or straight.

The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a right repeatedly


Loving v Virginia

"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival."

Zablocki v. Rehail

AlthoughLovingarose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.

Maynard v. Hill,125 U. S. 190(1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life,"id.at125 U. S. 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress,"

InMeyer v. Nebraska,262 U. S. 390(1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause,

InGriswold v. Connecticut,381 U. S. 479(1965), the Court observed:

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions."

Carey v. Population Services International,431 U. S. 678(1977)

"While the outer limits of [the right of personal privacy] have not been marked by the Court, it is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions 'relating to marriage,

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur

"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment"

 

[Rambunctious]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I have to say though the gay couples I know seem pretty happy, I don't see how they are doing anything unhealthy for their soul

You're welcome!
I 'm sure your friends seem happy and they probably are. Our soul lies deep inside of us, it's not something we wear on our sleeve. I've had brief sexual encounters with women I didn't even know. One night stands I guess. They made me happy as hell but deep down I knew it was wrong for me to do.

My soul and conscience spoke to me but like any other human I have the capability of not listening. I'm no expert but this is what I believe from my experiences of all the years I've been on earth.

I have Gay friends and family also. Many times I've seen them move from Gay relationships to Straight relationships. This tells me there are conflicts within them. That is not healthy and it's far from being a rare occurrence. In fact it's very common.

 

[Syriusly]

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

Sure- I have the right in the United States to own a gun.

That doesn't mean I can automatically own a .50 Browning machine gun. Nor does it mean that I cannot have that right taken away if I commit a felony.

In order to restrict a right- the State(Federal or State) must be able to provide a compelling State/Public interest in denying that right.

And "just because we think its icky" has proven to be a failing argument.

But it should, and we are working to get that right re-established. It actually says in the constitution that we have that right, It doesn't say that about marriage. You fail. Want to try again?

You asked: Are all rights unrestricted

And I answered correctly- rights are restricted all of the time- you do not have an absolute right to own a gun- States can and do remove that right from convicted felons.

You also have the right to free speech- but that doesn't mean you can yell 'Fire' in a crowded movie theater. I can go on.

You just didn't like it when I pointed out reality to you.

I asked no such thing. You asked and I answered.

I do have those rights. They are restricted by a tyrannical government against its own constitution, it's still a right. I have every right to yell fire anywhere I want to. I have to accept the consequences of my actions as I do for any right.

You have those rights- and they are restricted. You asked whether or not 'Are all rights unrestricted' and the answer is clearly no- you have no unrestricted right to own a gun, no unrestricted right to freedom of speech even if it endangers others lives. You have no unrestricted right to assemble in the middle of the Freeway.

That you believe that everyone else is wrong in restricting your rights- well that is your opinion- but not reality.

 

[PredFan]

No dumbass it hasn't. It merely ruled that no government agency can prevent gays from getting married. Period. Unless you think you can prove otherwise.

I am not saying the courts have ruled gay marriage is a right you dunce. I am saying that marriage is in fact a right. The courts will decide whether that right extends to gays in June. This isn't that hard to understand.

Yeah you said it liar, you want to back down now that's fine.

I did no such thing. Show me where I have stated that gay marriage was ruled as a right. I have said marriage is a right and whether gay marriage is a right is what the court will decide. You're being obtuse so you can assign me an argument that I've never made.

you want to play games? Ok, the SCOTUS has not ruled that marriage is a right, gay or straight.

The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a right repeatedly


Loving v Virginia

"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival."

Zablocki v. Rehail

AlthoughLovingarose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.

Maynard v. Hill,125 U. S. 190(1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life,"id.at125 U. S. 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress,"

InMeyer v. Nebraska,262 U. S. 390(1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause,

InGriswold v. Connecticut,381 U. S. 479(1965), the Court observed:

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions."

Carey v. Population Services International,431 U. S. 678(1977)

"While the outer limits of [the right of personal privacy] have not been marked by the Court, it is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions 'relating to marriage,

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur

"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment"

Those people who make those eloquent speeches liberally use the word "right" in their speech but that does not mean it is an actual right. Do I need to get a licence to have privacy? Do I have to pay a fee and ask the goverent for permission to exercise a right? No I dont. It's not a right, sorry. Just because you want it to be doesn't mke it so.

 

[Syriusly]

God made bacon too but forbade that. Trouble with that particular arguement.

He also made poisonous mushrooms and rattlesnakes.

And ticks, fleas and cockroaches.

No, I don't mean the radical, fundie RW kind.

Really, I can't think of even one reason why people should be so invested in harming gays. Live and let live, MYOB and all that.

So you have no problem with NAMBLA????

Irrelevant to the discussion, which is referring specifically to gay sex between consenting adults

But see Gay sex was considered earlier to be just as deviant as anyone that belong to NAMBLA. With the continual eroding of civilized behavior
you should have no problem with a pedofiliac's behavior which in some cases is the extension of gay acceptance.

See- I think the problem is with you.

You apparently cannot distinguish between two adults have consensual sex with each other and an adult raping a child who cannot provide consent.

And I really wonder why you can't tell the difference.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Actually the Supreme Court is considering that issue- it has not ruled on the constitutionality of 'gay marriage bans'

However the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that marriage is a right.

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

Easily. Freedom of the press doesn't protect a right to publish child pornography.

But you can, and then you have to accept the consequences of your actions just like you have to with any right. I could publish child porn tomorrow if I wanted to. I can't just up and get married tomorrow can I?

I said the 1st amendment doesn't protect publishing child pornography as a right.

Do you want to argue that point?

 

[Syriusly]

I am not saying the courts have ruled gay marriage is a right you dunce. I am saying that marriage is in fact a right. The courts will decide whether that right extends to gays in June. This isn't that hard to understand.

Yeah you said it liar, you want to back down now that's fine.

I did no such thing. Show me where I have stated that gay marriage was ruled as a right. I have said marriage is a right and whether gay marriage is a right is what the court will decide. You're being obtuse so you can assign me an argument that I've never made.

you want to play games? Ok, the SCOTUS has not ruled that marriage is a right, gay or straight.

The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a right repeatedly


Loving v Virginia

"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival."

Zablocki v. Rehail

AlthoughLovingarose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.

Maynard v. Hill,125 U. S. 190(1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life,"id.at125 U. S. 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress,"

InMeyer v. Nebraska,262 U. S. 390(1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause,

InGriswold v. Connecticut,381 U. S. 479(1965), the Court observed:

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions."

Carey v. Population Services International,431 U. S. 678(1977)

"While the outer limits of [the right of personal privacy] have not been marked by the Court, it is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions 'relating to marriage,

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur

"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment"

Those people who make those eloquent speeches liberally use the word "right" in their speech but that does not mean it is an actual right. Do I need to get a licence to have privacy? Do I have to pay a fee and ask the goverent for permission to exercise a right? No I dont. It's not a right, sorry. Just because you want it to be doesn't mke it so.

You said there is no 'right' to marriage- so you disagree with the Supreme Court.

Lots of people disagree with the Supreme Court- but frankly what your opinion is doesn't really matter.

 

[NYcarbineer]

God made bacon too but forbade that. Trouble with that particular arguement.

He also made poisonous mushrooms and rattlesnakes.

And ticks, fleas and cockroaches.

No, I don't mean the radical, fundie RW kind.

Really, I can't think of even one reason why people should be so invested in harming gays. Live and let live, MYOB and all that.

So you have no problem with NAMBLA????

Irrelevant to the discussion, which is referring specifically to gay sex between consenting adults

But see Gay sex was considered earlier to be just as deviant as anyone that belong to NAMBLA. With the continual eroding of civilized behavior
you should have no problem with a pedofiliac's behavior which in some cases is the extension of gay acceptance.

Blasphemy was once a crime with serious punishments. Or heresy.

 

[PredFan]

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

Sure- I have the right in the United States to own a gun.

That doesn't mean I can automatically own a .50 Browning machine gun. Nor does it mean that I cannot have that right taken away if I commit a felony.

In order to restrict a right- the State(Federal or State) must be able to provide a compelling State/Public interest in denying that right.

And "just because we think its icky" has proven to be a failing argument.

But it should, and we are working to get that right re-established. It actually says in the constitution that we have that right, It doesn't say that about marriage. You fail. Want to try again?

You asked: Are all rights unrestricted

And I answered correctly- rights are restricted all of the time- you do not have an absolute right to own a gun- States can and do remove that right from convicted felons.

You also have the right to free speech- but that doesn't mean you can yell 'Fire' in a crowded movie theater. I can go on.

You just didn't like it when I pointed out reality to you.

I asked no such thing. You asked and I answered.

I do have those rights. They are restricted by a tyrannical government against its own constitution, it's still a right. I have every right to yell fire anywhere I want to. I have to accept the consequences of my actions as I do for any right.

You have those rights- and they are restricted. You asked whether or not 'Are all rights unrestricted' and the answer is clearly no- you have no unrestricted right to own a gun, no unrestricted right to freedom of speech even if it endangers others lives. You have no unrestricted right to assemble in the middle of the Freeway.

That you believe that everyone else is wrong in restricting your rights- well that is your opinion- but not reality.

So, you are telling me that my right to marriage is restricted. If it wasn't restricted by the government then I would be able to get married when I wanted to? Is that what you are trying to say?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just for the record, what do married homosexuals do that is so evil?

 

[Edgetho]

Here's dimocrap scum's new 'protected class' and how they treat butt-rangers.

Bet dims are proud, huh? Calling Conservatives names for trying to civilize these savages and they don't have the balls to confront goat-fucking-towelheads for this shit.

dimocrap scum are real brave, huh? They only attack people they KNOW won't fight back....... For now

There is nothing bad enough that can happen to dimocraps that would drag the least bit of sympathy out of me.

ISIS Stones Homosexual Couple To Death
Warning, disturbing photos:

dimocraps are the scum of the earth

period

 

[NYcarbineer]

Actually the Supreme Court is considering that issue- it has not ruled on the constitutionality of 'gay marriage bans'

However the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that marriage is a right.

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

All of them. Can anyone anytime get a gun? Is gun ownership a right?

Yet another Relativist who is simply not capable of understanding what a right is and from where such come.

LOL! Classic...

Abortion is a right in the US. Where does that come from?

 

[Steinlight]

Government licenses for marriage are by definition a privilege. If they were are right, the government wouldn't need to grant them. Rights are given to us by our creator and the bill of rights is a limitation on the State in protection of natural rights. Not the State providing a service like licensing, this is a privilege.

People that claim a license to marry is a right don't understand the difference between positive and negative liberties or the differences between rights and privileges.

 

[Edgetho]

Government licenses for marriage are by definition a privilege. If they were are right, the government wouldn't need to grant them. Rights are given to us by our creator and the bill of rights is a limitation on the State in protection of natural rights. Not the stare providing a service like licensing is a privilege.

People that claim a license to marry is a right don't understand the difference between positive and negative liberties or the differences between rights and privileges.

dewd, you're addressing the stupidest motherfuckers to ever disgrace the surface of the Planet -- dimocraps.

Don't waste your time. Just remind them how stupid they are and move on down the road

They aren't worth the trouble

 

[PredFan]

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

Easily. Freedom of the press doesn't protect a right to publish child pornography.

But you can, and then you have to accept the consequences of your actions just like you have to with any right. I could publish child porn tomorrow if I wanted to. I can't just up and get married tomorrow can I?

I said the 1st amendment doesn't protect publishing child pornography as a right.

Do you want to argue that point?

No but I want to try to get it through your thick skull that I could publish child porn any thine I wanted to. If I didn't get caught, I could make a living doing it. I cannot just wake up tomorrow and exercise my RIGHT to get married.

 

[PredFan]

Yeah you said it liar, you want to back down now that's fine.

I did no such thing. Show me where I have stated that gay marriage was ruled as a right. I have said marriage is a right and whether gay marriage is a right is what the court will decide. You're being obtuse so you can assign me an argument that I've never made.

you want to play games? Ok, the SCOTUS has not ruled that marriage is a right, gay or straight.

The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a right repeatedly


Loving v Virginia

"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival."

Zablocki v. Rehail

AlthoughLovingarose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.

Maynard v. Hill,125 U. S. 190(1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life,"id.at125 U. S. 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress,"

InMeyer v. Nebraska,262 U. S. 390(1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause,

InGriswold v. Connecticut,381 U. S. 479(1965), the Court observed:

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions."

Carey v. Population Services International,431 U. S. 678(1977)

"While the outer limits of [the right of personal privacy] have not been marked by the Court, it is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions 'relating to marriage,

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur

"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment"

Those people who make those eloquent speeches liberally use the word "right" in their speech but that does not mean it is an actual right. Do I need to get a licence to have privacy? Do I have to pay a fee and ask the goverent for permission to exercise a right? No I dont. It's not a right, sorry. Just because you want it to be doesn't mke it so.

You said there is no 'right' to marriage- so you disagree with the Supreme Court.

Lots of people disagree with the Supreme Court- but frankly what your opinion is doesn't really matter.

Well then you are free to ignore me and remain ignorant.

 

[Edgetho]

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

All of them. Can anyone anytime get a gun? Is gun ownership a right?

Yet another Relativist who is simply not capable of understanding what a right is and from where such come.

LOL! Classic...

Abortion is a right in the US. Where does that come from?

That's a lie.

But, then again, you're a lying piece of shit.

Abortion is NOT a right in the US. It is highly restricted.

lying douchebag

 

[Iceweasel]

The Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a right repeatedly

So there's no reason to hear this one if it's the same as race. But wait...they are hearing it because it isn't like race at all. If they rule two men can marry then there's no reason a guy can't marry his dad or dad and three brothers. It will be their right.

 

[Steinlight]

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

Easily. Freedom of the press doesn't protect a right to publish child pornography.

But you can, and then you have to accept the consequences of your actions just like you have to with any right. I could publish child porn tomorrow if I wanted to. I can't just up and get married tomorrow can I?

I said the 1st amendment doesn't protect publishing child pornography as a right.

Do you want to argue that point?

No but I want to try to get it through your thick skull that I could publish child porn any thine I wanted to. If I didn't get caught, I could make a living doing it. I cannot just wake up tomorrow and exercise my RIGHT to get married.

You have a right to free association. Which includes marrying who you want. But it doesn't mean you have the right to a license from the State to recognize it though.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.

All rights are unrestricted?

Yes, can you name one that isn't?

All of them. Can anyone anytime get a gun? Is gun ownership a right?

Yet another Relativist who is simply not capable of understanding what a right is and from where such come.

LOL! Classic...

Abortion is a right in the US. Where does that come from?

No.. Abortion is merely approved in modern law. There's no potential for a right, which axiomatically strips innocent human life, of it's means to exercise its right to that life.