What Isael can do to save itself -?

[ima]

Wolverine and toomuch, you like to pretend that Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable. The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way. If you want to pretend that that's ok because everyone else did it, that's cool, but it also doesn't make it right, and you also have to take responsibility for the fact that that has created resentment by arabs and is why they want to destroy Israel back. At least take you can take ownership of why the Pallies are so pissed by agreeing that Israel was created by death and destruction. It's a start.
Laws protecting the land of those arabs who "left"? LOL, that's like saying that Hitler gave all the jews he gassed rights to return, and that it's too bad for them, no one claimed their rights.
And Wolve, you seem to think that the Jews never attacked the arabs and it's all the arabs fault. Sorry, I can't debate someone who's so far over the clueless line, you're almost in JStone territory.
And to think that Iran will do a nuclear 9/11 is absurd to the extreme, all they want to do is to nuke Israel. Anyways, 9/11 wasn't even done by a country, it was done by a private group, Al-Qaeda which has no official ties to any country.

 

[JStone]

John F. Kennedy, "Salute To Israel"

Both Israel and the United States acknowledge the supremacy of the moral law – both believe in personal as well as national liberty – and, perhaps most important, both will fight to the end to maintain that liberty

Yes; Israel, we salute you. We honor your progress and your determination and your spirit. But in the midst of our rejoicing we do not forget your peril. We know that no other nation in this world lives out its days in an atmosphere of such constant tension and fear. We know that no other nation in this world is surrounded on every side by such violent hate and prejudice

Today we celebrate her 8th birthday – but I say without hesitation that she will live to see an 80th birthday – and an eight hundredth. For peace is all Israel asks, no more – a peace that will “beat swords into plowshares and spears into pruning-hooks”; a peace that will enable the desert to “rejoice and blossom as the rose,” “when the wicked cease from troubling and the weary be at rest.” Then, and only then, will the world have witnessed the complete fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy “Tzee-Yon B’Meeshpat Teepadeh” – “Zion shall be redeemed through justice.” And all of us here, and there, and everywhere will then be able to say to each other with faith and with confidence, in our coming and in our going: “Shalom” – peace! Peace be with you, now and forever.
Remarks by Senator John F. Kennedy at Yankee Stadium on April 29, 1956 | Finding Camelot

Barack Obama...

The slaughter of innocent Israelis is not resistance -- it's injustice.

Let's be honest: Israel is surrounded by neighbors that have waged repeated wars against it. Israel's citizens have been killed by rockets fired at their houses and suicide bombs on their buses. Israel's children come of age knowing that throughout the region, other children are taught to hate them. Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map. These facts cannot be denied.
Remarks by President Obama in Address to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but allah, we will chase you everywhere We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood, we will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleFpY402vM]Palestinian - Terrorism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinians worked to retrieve their land through the '50s and "60s. And through to today.

Meaning, palistanians have been working their asses off (with the help and funding from the USSR communist party) lying to the gullible international community that land they, being major arab illegal immigrants, haven't had in the first place, is supposed to be theirs.

 

[docmauser1]

... Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable.

Very true, have always been, indeed.

The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way.

A common arab agitprop "melodic whistling".

 

[JStone]

Quote: Originally Posted by P F Tinmore
The Palestinians worked to retrieve their land through the '50s and "60s. And through to today.

Fakestinians are merely rebranded Arab illegal aliens from Arabia who stole Jewish land.

Winston Churchill, Secretary of "Palestine" During British Mandate to House of Commons, Parliamentary Debates, 23 May 1939

So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.
Churchill and the Jews | Martin Gilbert | Macmillan

Tashbih Sayyed, Muslim Pakistani Scholar, Journalist, Author and Former Editor in Chief of Our Times, Pakistan Today, and The Muslim World Today

Blinded by their anti-Semitism, Arabs ignore the fact that neither are they an indigenous group nor is the Jewish nationhood a new phenomenon in Palestine; the Jewish nation was born during 40 years of wandering in the Sinai more than five thousand years ago and has remained connected with Palestine ever since. “Even after the destruction of the last Jewish commonwealth in the first century, the Jewish people maintained their own autonomous political and legal institutions: the Davidic dynasty was preserved in Baghdad until the thirteenth century through the rule of the Exilarch (Resh Galuta), while the return to Zion was incorporated into the most widely practiced Jewish traditions, including the end of the Yom Kippur service and the Passover Seder, as well as in everyday prayers. Thus, Jewish historic rights were kept alive in Jewish historical consciousness.

It is a matter of record that the Arabs owe their presence in Palestine to the Ottomans who settled Muslim populations as a buffer against Bedouin attacks and Ibrahim Pasha, the Egyptian ruler who brought Egyptian colonists with his army in the 1830s. And during all those times when Arabs lived under the Ottoman rule, they never showed any desire for national independence.

Jerusalem has always remained a Jewish majority – a symbol of Jewish yearning to be an independent nation as they thrived in communities in many of Palestine’s towns. “By 1864, a clear-cut Jewish majority emerged in Jerusalem - more than half a century before the arrival of the British Empire and the League of Nations Mandate. During the years that the Jewish presence in Eretz Israel was restored, a huge Arab population influx transpired as Arab immigrants sought to take advantage of higher wages and economic opportunities that resulted from Jewish settlement in the land. President Roosevelt concluded in 1939 that "Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during the whole period."

The present Arab declaration challenging the Jewish character of Israel cannot be ignored because it is not just an expression of dissatisfaction by a minority about their socio-economic situation but a reminder that Islamist radicalism and fundamentalism has now decided to challenge openly the legitimacy of the Jewish state.
Global Politician - Israel?s Arab Citizens And The Jewish State

 

[ima]

... Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable.

Very true, have always been, indeed.

The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way.

A common arab agitprop "melodic whistling".

Hey doc, do you carry around a piece of paper that reminds you to breathe?

 

[docmauser1]

... Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable.

Very true, have always been, indeed.

The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way.

A common arab agitprop "melodic whistling".

Hey doc, do you carry around a piece of paper that reminds you to breathe?

Hilarious drivel!

 

[JStone]

The Misery of Arabs/Apple R&D In Israel

Apple will open a research and development center in Israel that will focus on semiconductors

The R&D center in Herzliya, Israel’s version of Silicon Valley, would be Apple’s first outside California

Earlier this week, Israeli media reported Apple was in advanced talks to buy Anobit, an Israeli maker of flash storage technology, for $400-$500 million

It is so sad and frustrating to see APPLE investing in Israel, while we as Arabs are not able to attract these investments to our countries! I don’t know what our leaders are doing to create proper environment for such investments!

I would prefer seeing APPLE as well as MICROSOFT having their R&D in Lebanon or any other Arab Country instead of being in ISRAEL!

WISH THE ARAB LEADERS WILL WAKE UP AND CARE FOR DEVELOPING THEIR COUNTRIES AND SOCIETIES INSTEAD OF APPLYING DICTATORSHIP AND KILL THEIR PEOPLE!
The Misery of Arabs ! Apple R&D in ISRAEL! | What do You Think ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4wnqRAuhI]Apple to set up Israel development center - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1mYikmYzo]Apple to Acquire Anobit? - YouTube[/ame]

Apple today confirmed earlier reports it has acquired Israel-based flash memory startup Anobit....which makes flash memory technology found in the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Air.. The deal was reported to be worth $400 million to $500 million.
Apple confirms Anobit acquisition | Apple - CNET News

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wolverine and toomuch, you like to pretend that Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable. The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way. If you want to pretend that that's ok because everyone else did it, that's cool, but it also doesn't make it right, and you also have to take responsibility for the fact that that has created resentment by arabs and is why they want to destroy Israel back. At least take you can take ownership of why the Pallies are so pissed by agreeing that Israel was created by death and destruction. It's a start.
Laws protecting the land of those arabs who "left"? LOL, that's like saying that Hitler gave all the jews he gassed rights to return, and that it's too bad for them, no one claimed their rights.
And Wolve, you seem to think that the Jews never attacked the arabs and it's all the arabs fault. Sorry, I can't debate someone who's so far over the clueless line, you're almost in JStone territory.
And to think that Iran will do a nuclear 9/11 is absurd to the extreme, all they want to do is to nuke Israel. Anyways, 9/11 wasn't even done by a country, it was done by a private group, Al-Qaeda which has no official ties to any country.

Once again you provide no substantial arguments to support your biases. The Arabs' passionate animosity towards Jews and their desire to destroy Israel does not arise from the actions of Jews or Israel but from a cultural imperative embodied in the popular understanding of their religion.

Walter Laqueur states that the Qur'an and its interpreters has a great many conflicting things to say about the Jews. Jews are said to be treacherous and hypocritical and could never be friends with a Muslim.[9]

Frederick M. Schweitzer and Marvin Perry state that references to Jews in the Qur'an are mostly negative. The Qur'an states that wretchedness and baseness were stamped upon the Jews, and they were visited with wrath from Allah, that was because they disbelieved in Allah's revelations and slew the prophets wrongfully. And for their taking usury, which was prohibited for them, and because of their consuming people's wealth under false pretense, a painful punishment was prepared for them. The Qur'an requires their "abasement and poverty" in the form of the poll tax jizya. In his "wrath" God has "cursed" the Jews and will turn them into apes/monkeys and swine and idol worshipers because they are "infidels".[8]

Islam and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He [Muhammad] said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

This hadith has been quoted countless times, and it has become a part of the charter of Hamas.[57]

According to Schweitzer and Perry, the hadith are "even more scathing (than the Qur'an) in attacking the Jews":


They are debased, cursed, anathematized forever by God and so can never repent and be forgiven; they are cheats and traitors; defiant and stubborn; they killed the prophets; they are liars who falsify scripture and take bribes; as infidels they are ritually unclean, a foul odor emanating from them - such is the image of the Jew in classical Islam, degraded and malevolent.[8]

Islam and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab anti semitism from the Middle Ages into the 20th century has been just as pervasive, just as culturally entrenched and just as ferociously violent as anti semitism in eastern Europe from which Jewish immigrants to the Protectorate were trying to escape.

By medieval standards, conditions for Jews under Islam was generally more formalized and better than those of Jews in Christian lands, in part due to the sharing of minority status with Christians in these lands. There is evidence for this claim in that the status of Jews in lands with no Christian minority was usually worse than their status in lands with one. For example, there were numerous incidents of massacres and ethnic cleansing of Jews in North Africa,[8] especially in Morocco, Libya and Algeria where eventually Jews were forced to live in ghettos.[9] Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in the Middle Ages in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Yemen.[10] At certain times in Yemen, Morocco and Baghdad, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death.[11]

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain, beginning in the 9th century, Islamic Spain was more tolerant towards Jews.[8] The 11th century, however, saw several Muslim pogroms against Jews; notably those that occurred in Cordoba in 1011 and in Granada in 1066.[9] In the 1066 Granada massacre, the first large pogrom on European soil, a Muslim mob crucified the Jewish vizier Joseph ibn Naghrela and massacred about 4,000 Jews[10] In 1033 about 6,000 Jews were killed in Fez, Morocco by Muslim mobs.[11][12] Mobs in Fez murdered thousands of Jews in 1276,[13] and again, leaving only 11 alive, in 1465.[13][14]

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

19th century

The Damascus affair was an accusation of ritual murder and a blood libel against Jews in Damascus in 1840. On February 5, 1840, Franciscan Capuchin friar Father Thomas and his Greek servant were reported missing, never to be seen again. The Turkish governor and the French consul Ratti-Menton believed accusations of ritual murder and blood libel, as the alleged murder occurred before the Jewish Passover. An investigation was staged, and Solomon Negrin, a Jewish barber, confessed under torture and accused other Jews. Two other Jews died under torture, and one (Moses Abulafia) converted to Islam to escape torture. More arrests and atrocities followed, culminating in 63 Jewish children being held hostage and mob attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East. International outrage led to Ibrahim Pasha in Egypt ordering an investigation. Negotiations in Alexandria eventually secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence of the nine prisoners still remaining alive (out of thirteen). Later in Constantinople, Moses Montefiore (leader of the British Jewish community) persuaded Sultan Abdülmecid I to issue a firman (edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire:


"... and for the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth...".

Nevertheless, pogroms spread through the Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).[14]

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

20th century

In the Arab world, there were a number of pogroms which played a key role in the massive emigration from Arab countries to Israel.

On 1–2 June 1941, the two-day Farhud pogrom in Iraq, in which "rioters murdered between 150 and 180 Jews, injured 600 others, and raped an undetermined number of women. They also looted some 1,500 stores and homes".[31][32]

Anti-Jewish rioters killed over 140 Jews in the 1945 Tripoli pogrom.

The 1945 Cairo pogrom marked the start of a series of violent acts against Egypt's Jews.

Half of Aleppo's 10,000 Jews left the city in the wake of the 1947 Aleppo pogrom.

The 1947 Aden pogrom brought to an end the existence of Aden's almost two-thousand-year-old Jewish community.

The 1948 Oujda and Jerada pogrom and 1954 Petitjean pogrom were pogroms in Morocco.[33]

Pogrom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arab massacres of Jews in Hebron and Safed in 1929 can also be legitimately called pogroms, having been started by false rumors that Jews were massacring Muslims in Jerusalem and taking over Muslim holy places, not by any Jewish actions. There is no difference in motivation between these 20th century Arab massacres of Jews and those that had been taking place in both Europe and Arab lands for a thousand years. The only reason why Jews flourished in the Protectorate despite often violently expressed Arab anti semitism while they perished in Europe is that while eastern European governments often supported and even encouraged pogroms, neither the Ottomans nor the British did.

It is an expression of mindless bigotry to compare the Israelis to nazis. From the beginning of the state, Arabic as well as Hebrew was an official language, the Basic Law of Israel guarantees equal rights under the law to all its citizens, Jewish or not, and its courts have rigorously upheld this principle, Arab Israelis have served in every Knesset since the founding of the state and are better represented there in proportion to their numbers in the population than are African Americans in the US Congress or all minorities in the UK or France, and have several times served as ministers in Israeli governments. Arab Israelis have achieved high ranks in both the military and the police, have served on Israel's Supreme Court and represent Israel as ambassadors. Only an idiot or a bigot would claim Arabs who filed property claims under Israeli law would have faced the same consequences as Jews who filed property claims in nazi Germany.

 

[ima]

toomuch, all I can say is: WOW! Everything is because of anti-semitism, not because of ANY actions by Jews. Amazing! So 9/11 must be the mother of all anti-semitic acts! Wow, I learn something new all the time. Cool.

 

[JStone]

Warren Buffett...

If you go to the Middle East looking for oil, you don't need to stop in Israel. But, if you're looking for brains, for energy, for integrity, for imagination, it's the only stop you need to make"

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbX60Pktzsk]Warren Buffet on Israel - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfnC0vDx048]Innovation at Google's R&D Center in Israel - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toomuchtime_]

toomuch, all I can say is: WOW! Everything is because of anti-semitism, not because of ANY actions by Jews. Amazing! So 9/11 must be the mother of all anti-semitic acts! Wow, I learn something new all the time. Cool.

Once again, you offer no substantial arguments in support of your biases.

 

[ima]

toomuch, all I can say is: WOW! Everything is because of anti-semitism, not because of ANY actions by Jews. Amazing! So 9/11 must be the mother of all anti-semitic acts! Wow, I learn something new all the time. Cool.

Once again, you offer no substantial arguments in support of your biases.

What are you talking about, you just posted a long post giving examples of arabs committing what you see as anti-semtitic acts?

 

[JStone]

Israel A Giant In Science

Israel's contribution to the world of scientific research has won it a growing number of accolades, with the Jewish state turning out an impressive number of achievements relative to its size.

Israeli professor Dan Shechter became the tenth Israeli to become a Nobel laureate when he won the prize for chemistry for his discovery of quasicrystals, which overturned scientific theory on the nature of solids.

"It's a paradigm shift in chemistry. His findings have rewritten the first chapter of textbooks of ordered matter," said Sven Lidin, a member of the Nobel Committee for Chemistry.

Shechtman's win was hailed by Israel's leaders as proof of the country's rich tradition of academic research.

"I want to congratulate you in the name of the citizens of Israel for your win, which reflects the intellect of our people," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement.

"There are not many countries who have won such a large number of Nobel prizes," said President Shimon Peres, himself a Nobel laureate.

Over the past 45 years, Israel has won a total of 10 Nobel prizes -- a major achievement for a country of just 7.8 million people.

Four have been in the field of chemistry, two were for economic sciences; one was awarded for literature while three Israelis have won the Nobel Peace prize, including Peres.

Israel is the country which counts the most engineers per head and ranks second only to the United States in the number of companies listed on Nasdaq.

Almost all the big names in technology -- from Intel and Google to Microsoft -- have important research and development centres in Israel, and there are 500 new start-ups every year.

Three of the Nobel chemistry laureates, including Shechtan, were graduates of the Technion, the prestigious technological university in the northern port city of Haifa, which has turned out 70 percent of the country's engineers and 80 percent of the executives of Israeli firms listed on Nasdaq.

Israel's fourth chemistry laureate, who won the award in 2009, came from the Weizmann Institute of Science near Tel Aviv, one of the country's leading research institutes, which has twice won the Turing Award, otherwise known as the Nobel prize of computing.

Other Weizmann researchers have won the Wolf Prizes in Medicine.

Part of Israel's success in academia, as in high-tech, lies in local researchers and developers who "do more with less," said Saul Singer, author of the 2009 bestseller "Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel's Economic Miracle."

"If you look at the top 25 drugs developed over the last decade or so, seven of them were partly developed at Weizmann. There's no other institution in the world that can say that," Singer told AFP, noting that Harvard developed only two of them -- and on a much larger budget.

"Or Tel Aviv University, which recently ranked number 11 in citations per faculty member. That's above Oxford, Cambridge and Yale. There's no comparison in terms of budgets involved," he said.

Through a mixture of dermination and doggedness, Israel had excelled in both academia and start-ups, he said.

"Israel has gotten very good at doing this sort of thing," he said.

"The dynamics of being determined, creative, and doing more with less -- and also trying to solve big problems -- you see that at both the academic level and the start-up level."

Congratulating Shechtman, Education Minister Gideon Saar said scientific research would be crucial to Israel's future.

"Developing human capital and investing in education and higher education are the key to achievement and scientific research in the future," the minister said.

"The future of the State of Israel will be ensured by research on the highest level."
Tiny Israel a giant in scientific research

UN: Arab World Rife with Illiteracy & Lacks Innovation

U.N. report finds one third of Arabs illiterate and only $10 per person spent on scientific research. The level of education, research and innovation in the Arab world is appalling, a new United Nations report has claimed.

The report, produced as part of a partnership between the United Nations Development Program and the United Arab Emirates-based Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Foundation, found that despite the efforts of scientists and researchers throughout the region, the Arab world makes up only 1.1% of global scientific publishing and the low level of investment into research has led to relatively low levels of innovation throughout the Arab world.

Examining a number of aspects of "the current Arab knowledge landscape," the report expressed "grave concerns over the state of education in the Arab world," with over one third of the adult population unable to read or write and major educational discrepancies between males and females.

The report found that despite 20% of national budgets in the Arab world being spent on education over the past 40 years, the average Arab individual reads very little compared to other societies and around 60 million Arabs are illiterate, two thirds of them women.

With almost nine million primary school-aged children not attending school in the Arab world, it is predicted that only a few select Arab nations will meet the universal primary education goal of the United Nation's Millennium Development Goals.

The report's harshest criticism was reserved for the lack of investment in academic and scientific research, hampering the ability of Arab nations to meet global occupational, technical and higher education standards. The report found that spending on scientific research in the Arab world does not exceed 0.3% of most nations' GDP and is 97% dependent on government funding.

While nations like Finland were found to spend over $1000 per person on scientific research each year, less than $10 per person is spent annually on scientific research in the Arab world. As a result, the number of patents registered with Arab national institutions is minimal and Arab scientists and researchers account for 1.1% of global scientific publishing.

"Things are really bad," Dr Ghassan Khateeb, Vice President of Community Affairs at Birzeit University in the Palestinian Territories, told The Media Line. "There is a direct relation between the lack of investment and the problematic situation we find ourselves in relation to knowledge."

"This is all related to politics," he continued. "The lack of democracy and lack of knowledge reinforce each other: the lack of education contributes to the lack of democracy and the fact that rulers can remain rulers without the will of the people. In turn, the fact that there is no proper democracy in the Arab world means that there is less incentive among rulers to really invest in knowledge of the kinds of things that have a positive impact on the public which would elect them."

"When there are vicious circles you have to work on both education and democratization together," he said.

The report was also critical of the quality of university education, citing a lack of emphasis on modern communication technologies and specialized sciences. "As a result," the UNDP wrote in a statement, "the region lacks a critical mass of highly skilled professionals equipped with the ability to innovate and capable of answering the needs of the marketplace."
UN: Arab World Rife with Illiteracy & Lacks Innovation | Menassat

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

toomuch, all I can say is: WOW! Everything is because of anti-semitism, not because of ANY actions by Jews. Amazing! So 9/11 must be the mother of all anti-semitic acts! Wow, I learn something new all the time. Cool.

No you don't.

 

[Wolverine1984]

Wolverine and toomuch, you like to pretend that Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable. The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way. If you want to pretend that that's ok because everyone else did it, that's cool, but it also doesn't make it right, and you also have to take responsibility for the fact that that has created resentment by arabs and is why they want to destroy Israel back. At least take you can take ownership of why the Pallies are so pissed by agreeing that Israel was created by death and destruction. It's a start.
Laws protecting the land of those arabs who "left"? LOL, that's like saying that Hitler gave all the jews he gassed rights to return, and that it's too bad for them, no one claimed their rights.
And Wolve, you seem to think that the Jews never attacked the arabs and it's all the arabs fault. Sorry, I can't debate someone who's so far over the clueless line, you're almost in JStone territory.
And to think that Iran will do a nuclear 9/11 is absurd to the extreme, all they want to do is to nuke Israel. Anyways, 9/11 wasn't even done by a country, it was done by a private group, Al-Qaeda which has no official ties to any country.

Wolverine and toomuch, you like to pretend that Jews and Israel were the good guys in all of this and that the arabs/palestinians are the ones being unreasonable.

I don't say Israel is an angel from heaven , however i do say that Israel holds the moral high ground in the matters at hand.

The Jews were terrorists before the arabs even got the idea, that's how they scared a lot of arabs out of the way. If you want to pretend that that's ok because everyone else did it, that's cool, but it also doesn't make it right, and you also have to take responsibility for the fact that that has created resentment by arabs and is why they want to destroy Israel back.

You like to say things without backing up your words ...
You have some kind of source for the things you say , or do you just make them up ?
It's true Jews also used terrorist attacks , but they were against the British and not against the Arabs this makes your subsequent statement false.
No one claims that what the Jewish terrorists did was OK.
However those terrorist acts has nothing to do with why Arabs attacked Jews or want to destroy Israel.

The first attacks on Jews by Arabs were because of Jewish immigration to Palestine, it has nothing to do with terrorist acts committed by the Jews against the British.
At the time of those attacks the Jews did nothing aggressive to the Arabs, Arabs attacked them simply because they existed.

At least take you can take ownership of why the Pallies are so pissed by agreeing that Israel was created by death and destruction. It's a start.

Again , Israel was created by death and destruction like any other country. Israel not special in this regard.

Laws protecting the land of those arabs who "left"? LOL, that's like saying that Hitler gave all the jews he gassed rights to return, and that it's too bad for them, no one claimed their rights.

There is no comparison here.
Jews were rounded like sheep in Germany, in Palestine in the years 1947-1949 there was civil war between Palestinians and Jews.
1947

A civil war and just rounding up people is two different things, a fact you fail to grasp.

And Wolve, you seem to think that the Jews never attacked the arabs and it's all the arabs fault. Sorry, I can't debate someone who's so far over the clueless line, you're almost in JStone territory.

You heard me say that Jews never attacked the Arabs ?

You call me clueless however 99% of everything I say is always backed up by evidence while your statements are only backed up by your overdeveloped imagination.

I have not seen even one source form you , not even one link.

And to think that Iran will do a nuclear 9/11 is absurd to the extreme, all they want to do is to nuke Israel..

I don't know if you really are so naive as you seem or are you acting ...
Care to explain why is this absurd ? On what you base your little theory ?
like I said before , it was "absurd to the extreme" that there would be a terorist attack on New-York. What makes you think it's more absurd for Iran to nuke the US ?

Anyways, 9/11 wasn't even done by a country, it was done by a private group, Al-Qaeda which has no official ties to any country.

What does it matter if it was done by a country or by a 'private group'.
FYI , the US suspects Al -Qaeda being in bed with Iran ...
Who's to say that when Iran would have the bomb it won't be "mistakenly" given to Al -Qaeda ?

 

[toomuchtime_]

toomuch, all I can say is: WOW! Everything is because of anti-semitism, not because of ANY actions by Jews. Amazing! So 9/11 must be the mother of all anti-semitic acts! Wow, I learn something new all the time. Cool.

Once again, you offer no substantial arguments in support of your biases.

What are you talking about, you just posted a long post giving examples of arabs committing what you see as anti-semtitic acts?

I presented an argument that Arab attitudes towards Jewish immigrants into the Protectorate were no different from Arab attitudes towards Jews that had led to the same kinds of violence for a thousand years and I supported the argument with numerous examples that showed from the Middle Ages to the 1920's these attacks were set off by false rumors of Jewish actions, not by any actual deeds or policies of Jews. Moreover, I showed that the frequency and ferocity of Arab attacks against Jews from the Middle Ages to the early 20th century were no different from the attacks against Jews in eastern Europe and that the motivations for the attacks were also the same. Would you also argue that the pogroms in eastern Europe had nothing to do with anti semitism? That the Holocaust had nothing to do with anti semitism?

You post nothing but slogans that are not supported by facts.

You claim the Jews stole Arab lands, but the facts are:

One of the major obstacles faced by Jewish immigrants who tried to purchase land prior to 1948 was the unique system of property ownership established in much of the country. In 1932, 117,869 dunam of land was held by absentee landowners. In most cases, tenant farmers worked the land, creating a dilemma for land purchasers.34 Even after buying the land from the “real” owner, the tenant farmers would generally remain in place. In 1927, the British passed a law preventing the transfer of land without first securing new land for the tenant farmer or making a cash settlement.35Yet this had already been the policy of the Jewish Agency, which had explicitly sought to avoid controversy in its land purchases. The Shaw Commission reported:

"We think that the Jewish Companies are not open to any criticism in respect of these transactions. In paying compensation, as they undoubtedly did, to many of the cultivators of land which they purchased in the Plain of Esdraelon [Jezreel Valley] those companies were making a payment which at the time of the transactions the law of Palestine did not require. Moreover, they were acting with the knowledge of the Government."

Despite this careful attention to the tenant farmers’ reimbursement, Arab fellaheen often claimed that Jews had given them little or no compensation. In response, the British launched investigations into over 3000 claims, of which about 2500 were ultimately rejected.37For the 600 or so claims that were accepted, the Development Department was required to provide 60 dunam of irrigable land or a cash settlement that would presumably allow the farmer to move to a city.38 The immigration of Jews to Palestine was thus done both legally and ethically.

Harvard Israel Review (HIR)

You claim that Arabs who left Israel were not offered compensation for property losses, and when I showed you that under Israeli law they were, you made the bizarre claim that if an Arab had filed a claim under Israeli law, he would have met the same fate as Jew who had filed such a complaint in nazi Germany would have. The Jew would have been sent to a death camp, but the worst the Arab would have had to fear from Israel was that his claim would be denied.

You claim the Arabs left because the actions of the Jews frightened them, but clearly there was no basis for this fear, since the 160,000 plus Arabs who remained immediately became Israeli citizens with guarantees under Israel's Basic Law of equal rights. What they were afraid of was their fantasies about Jews, inspired by the Quran and hadith, and imprinted on the Arab mind by centuries of cultural conditioning.

And abasement and poverty were pitched upon them, and they were laden with the burden of God's anger; that, because they had disbelieved the signs of God and slain the Prophets unrightfully; that, because they disobeyed, and were transgressors

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

Antisemitism in the Arab world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JStone]

Apple Believes In Israel's Future. They are building the first Apple R&D Center outside of the US in Israel.

Every iPad, iPod and iPhone contains Israeli technology.

Arabs still ride camels.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4wnqRAuhI]Apple to set up Israel development center - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1mYikmYzo]Apple to Acquire Anobit? - YouTube[/ame]

Apple today confirmed earlier reports it has acquired Israel-based flash memory startup Anobit....which makes flash memory technology found in the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Air.. The deal was reported to be worth $400 million to $500 million.
Apple confirms Anobit acquisition | Apple - CNET News

 

[P F Tinmore]

...the 1920's these attacks were set off by false rumors of Jewish actions, not by any actual deeds or policies of Jews.

Like the Zionists importing hundreds of thousands of Jews with the stated goal of taking over the country was not an action causing concern.

 

[JStone]

...the 1920's these attacks were set off by false rumors of Jewish actions, not by any actual deeds or policies of Jews.

Like the Zionists importing hundreds of thousands of Jews with the stated goal of taking over the country was not an action causing concern.

Most Israeli Jews are indigenous to the region. Jews were among the largest populations in Egypt, Iraq and Syria thousands of years before the rabs.

The Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible Septuagint that Jesus Christ read from was translated in Alexandria in the third century BCE.

Jews lived in Iraq when it was called Babylon in the 6th century BCE.

Your history lesson for the day