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[Geaux4it]

Favorability Ratings Plummet For Companies Who Cut Ties With NRA

Over the weekend, I expressed my disappointment with my longtime airline -- United -- for succumbing to the left-wing outrage machine and publicly severing corporate ties with the National Rifle Association. As I noted in my tweet thread (below), I'm neither an NRA member nor a gun owner or enthusiast. Nevertheless, I've found it profoundly grating so see corporate America cowering before a loud, organized mob that browbeats corporations into taking sides in the culture war. It's exactly the sort of endless and boundless politicization of everything that we decriedin our book. I resent it, just as I resent the feeling that a company to whom I give many thousands of dollars each year is actively alienating me through partisan signaling.



As you can see from the retweet and 'like' counts on those messages (which have basically been ignored thus far by United Airlines, whose public relations department simply directed me to their tweeted statement), it looked like I wasn't alone in harboring these frustrations. A new survey from Morning Consult and Politico finds that major companies whose leaders decided to accede to anti-gun activists' demands by publicly withdrawing partnerships with the NRA have -- surprise! -- turned off a lot of consumers. Posturing up, favorability down. Good work, everyone:

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[JoeB131]

No, I am using a well established definition of a type of firearm. You, on the otherhand, want to use the words "machine gun" because it creates an image.

Yes... an image.

An image of children being mowed down by rapid fire, high powered rounds.

Kind of like what happened.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, I am using a well established definition of a type of firearm. You, on the otherhand, want to use the words "machine gun" because it creates an image.

Yes... an image.

An image of children being mowed down by rapid fire, high powered rounds.

Kind of like what happened.

Yes it did. A sick fuck used a rifle to mow down children. But that does not change the fact that he did NOT use a machine gun. Your bullshit makes you the Tawana Brawley of gun control. Yes there are horrible things happening out there. But lying and saying the guy used a machine gun is not helping your cause.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes it did. A sick fuck used a rifle to mow down children. But that does not change the fact that he did NOT use a machine gun. Your bullshit makes you the Tawana Brawley of gun control. Yes there are horrible things happening out there. But lying and saying the guy used a machine gun is not helping your cause.

Sure it is. It's putting the right picture in people's mind.

A gun that was designed to inflict MASSIVE CASUALTIES on a battlefield was used to inflict massive casualties in a classroom by a crazy person who had no business having such a weapon.

And you want to whine about use of terms like someone who used a salad fork for the entree.....

Get a fucking grip.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes it did. A sick fuck used a rifle to mow down children. But that does not change the fact that he did NOT use a machine gun. Your bullshit makes you the Tawana Brawley of gun control. Yes there are horrible things happening out there. But lying and saying the guy used a machine gun is not helping your cause.

Sure it is. It's putting the right picture in people's mind.

A gun that was designed to inflict MASSIVE CASUALTIES on a battlefield was used to inflict massive casualties in a classroom by a crazy person who had no business having such a weapon.

And you want to whine about use of terms like someone who used a salad fork for the entree.....

Get a fucking grip.

If you want to claim the AR15 should not be allowed to be sold, that is fine.

If you want to describe the carnage caused by lunatics with guns, that is fine.

But when you blatantly lie and then insist your lie doesn't matter because people died, you are simply a lying asshole.

There is a simple definition for a "machine gun". You know what that definition is. And yet, you still claim one was used when it obviously was not.

Is being honest just impossible for you?

 

[BlackSand]

The NRA has fought to keep AR 15s on the market. AR15s are used in public massacres. The NRA has facilitated public massacres.

Perhaps we should ask the NRA to give us a hand with Interstate 49 ... It would probably be finished by now ...

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[JoeB131]

But when you blatantly lie and then insist your lie doesn't matter because people died, you are simply a lying asshole.

There is a simple definition for a "machine gun". You know what that definition is. And yet, you still claim one was used when it obviously was not.

Is being honest just impossible for you?

I just can't get upset with the "He used a salad fork" kind of semantics you want to engage in. It was a gun designed to keep firing multiple times to inflict maximum damage.

 

[bodecea]

Rethink what?

-Geaux

The shear stupidity of letting crazy people buy assault weapons.

Of course, if we started doing sanity tests, that would probably exclude most NRA members

I don't know about most....but some for sure.

 

[WinterBorn]

But when you blatantly lie and then insist your lie doesn't matter because people died, you are simply a lying asshole.

There is a simple definition for a "machine gun". You know what that definition is. And yet, you still claim one was used when it obviously was not.

Is being honest just impossible for you?

I just can't get upset with the "He used a salad fork" kind of semantics you want to engage in. It was a gun designed to keep firing multiple times to inflict maximum damage.

It is not semantics. It is calling a semi-auto rifle a machine gun, when you know that is a lie. That is the issue. YOu are trying to sound all noble, but you are far from that. When you lie about the weapon used, you are costing your side.

YOu say a machine gun was used? Fine. How about we make it much harder for people to get machine guns? More in-depth background checks and an expensive tax that will price the gun out of most people's range? And make it so they can't sell it without a more extensive background check AND the new owner must also pay the expensive tax. This would effectively close the Gun Show loophole and the loophole where private sales are concerned. See? That sounds like progress.

But that is the way things already are with machine guns.

So you are accomplishing nothing, clouding the argument, and creating doubt from those who do not know.

 

[JoeB131]

It is not semantics. It is calling a semi-auto rifle a machine gun, when you know that is a lie. That is the issue. YOu are trying to sound all noble, but you are far from that. When you lie about the weapon used, you are costing your side.

again, I don't think that when someone's kid comes home in a body bag, there first thought is, "Well, at least she wasn't shot by a real machine gun, it was just a semi-automatic assault rifle with a bump stock to simulate full auto fire...."

So you are accomplishing nothing, clouding the argument, and creating doubt from those who do not know.

NO, I just don't make the distinction you do.

The AR-15 was designed to be used in the Jungles of Vietnam to fight a war. It has no business in schools, theaters or churches, where they keep seeming to end up.

 

[2aguy]

a. the good gun with a gun didnt go into parkland
b. why cant people use economics to express their views?
c. the nra instructor in texas did not go into the church the killing was over by then but good try on spinning it your way

A)....that is because the government cop, the ones you keep telling us will protect us if we give up our guns...didn't do his fucking job and go into the building to stop the shooting......the NRA instructor with his privately owned AR-15 rifle did go to the church to stop the killer murdering people in the church....you know, the other guy you morons failed to submit records on with your vaunted background check system...that NRA instructor saved 26 lives that day....you guy, the government agent, let 17 kids die.

B) People can use economics to express their views...we told you this when the gay guys wanted the wedding cake and you assholes laughed and told us they had to bake the cake....it was the right of the gay guys to get the cake...well, dumb ass, the 2nd Amendment actually is a Right, and if they refuse to give service to NRA members.....we will use the rules you created to sue them out of business...

C) No...dumb ass the shooting was not over in the church.....the killer was murdering the wounded.....that is when he heard the NRA instructor shouting from outside the church, he then stopped murdering the 26 survivors of the initial attack, and confronted the NRA instructor, the guy who used his own personal, AR-15 civilian rifle to stop the killer...

How do we know this....from the actual survivors in the church...you dumb ass....

WATCH: TX Shooting Victim's Son Tells Mom's Story of Encountering Gunman


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'Be quiet! It's him!' Survivors say shooter walked pew by pew looking for people to shoot - CNN

As the massacre continued, Ramirez made eye contact with Annabelle Pomeroy -- the 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor. She was crying for help, Ramirez told KSAT.
Realizing Annabelle might get shot, Ramirez motioned with his finger for her to stay quiet. It didn't work. Annabelle was killed.

The gunman eventually made his way to the back pew, where Brown's mother was hiding, "and started shooting the lady next to her multiple times," Brown said.

Brown's mother was certain she would be next, "and her life was about to end."

"Then somebody with a gun showed up at the front of the church (and) caught the shooter's attention," Brown said. "And he left, and that was the end of the ordeal."

 

[2aguy]

It is not semantics. It is calling a semi-auto rifle a machine gun, when you know that is a lie. That is the issue. YOu are trying to sound all noble, but you are far from that. When you lie about the weapon used, you are costing your side.

again, I don't think that when someone's kid comes home in a body bag, there first thought is, "Well, at least she wasn't shot by a real machine gun, it was just a semi-automatic assault rifle with a bump stock to simulate full auto fire...."

So you are accomplishing nothing, clouding the argument, and creating doubt from those who do not know.

NO, I just don't make the distinction you do.

The AR-15 was designed to be used in the Jungles of Vietnam to fight a war. It has no business in schools, theaters or churches, where they keep seeming to end up.

No...it was never used in war........you guys keep lying about that and even when you are shown to be lying...you just keep lying...

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[WinterBorn]

It is not semantics. It is calling a semi-auto rifle a machine gun, when you know that is a lie. That is the issue. YOu are trying to sound all noble, but you are far from that. When you lie about the weapon used, you are costing your side.

again, I don't think that when someone's kid comes home in a body bag, there first thought is, "Well, at least she wasn't shot by a real machine gun, it was just a semi-automatic assault rifle with a bump stock to simulate full auto fire...."

So you are accomplishing nothing, clouding the argument, and creating doubt from those who do not know.

NO, I just don't make the distinction you do.

The AR-15 was designed to be used in the Jungles of Vietnam to fight a war. It has no business in schools, theaters or churches, where they keep seeming to end up.

Any time someone's child comes home in a body bag it is a horrific tragedy. And I think steps should be taken to prevent it from happening again. And that requires serious examination of what happened. Not just knee-jerk reactions. Calling the AR a machine gun is ridiculous.

The distinction I make is called facts. As I showed before, whatever common sense laws you think sound good have already been put in place for machine guns.

 

[JoeB131]

A)....that is because the government cop, the ones you keep telling us will protect us if we give up our guns...didn't do his fucking job and go into the building to stop the shooting......the NRA instructor with his privately owned AR-15 rifle did go to the church to stop the killer murdering people in the church....you know, the other guy you morons failed to submit records on with your vaunted background check system...that NRA instructor saved 26 lives that day....you guy, the government agent, let 17 kids die.

26 People died in Garland, 17 people died in Parkland.

I would say that there was an equal level of fail.

B) People can use economics to express their views...we told you this when the gay guys wanted the wedding cake and you assholes laughed and told us they had to bake the cake....it was the right of the gay guys to get the cake...well, dumb ass, the 2nd Amendment actually is a Right, and if they refuse to give service to NRA members.....we will use the rules you created to sue them out of business...

First, I dispute that gun ownership is or should be a right. When that was written, a school shooting would have involved a musket it takes three minutes to reload in a little red schoolhouse with 10 kids in it. I think to keep saying, "Second Amendment Rights" after we have one of these mass slaughters is a little silly. We live in 2017, we need a 2017 answer.

The distinction I make is called facts. As I showed before, whatever common sense laws you think sound good have already been put in place for machine guns.

Then they should be put into place for assault rifles as well.

 

[WinterBorn]

The distinction I make is called facts. As I showed before, whatever common sense laws you think sound good have already been put in place for machine guns.

Then they should be put into place for assault rifles as well.[/QUOTE]

Then stop claiming a machine gun was used. Your lies stop the focus. Your credibility folds every time you do. Sort of like the "1950s hunting rifle" bullshit.

 

[JoeB131]

Then stop claiming a machine gun was used. Your lies stop the focus. Your credibility folds every time you do. Sort of like the "1950s hunting rifle" bullshit.

Yawn, guy, nobody is going to look at 17 dead kids and say, "But, but, but that wasn't a machine gun!"

If anyone sounds nutty, its the gun nuts salivating over gun types... it makes you guys sound damned scary.

 

[2aguy]

A)....that is because the government cop, the ones you keep telling us will protect us if we give up our guns...didn't do his fucking job and go into the building to stop the shooting......the NRA instructor with his privately owned AR-15 rifle did go to the church to stop the killer murdering people in the church....you know, the other guy you morons failed to submit records on with your vaunted background check system...that NRA instructor saved 26 lives that day....you guy, the government agent, let 17 kids die.

26 People died in Garland, 17 people died in Parkland.

I would say that there was an equal level of fail.

B) People can use economics to express their views...we told you this when the gay guys wanted the wedding cake and you assholes laughed and told us they had to bake the cake....it was the right of the gay guys to get the cake...well, dumb ass, the 2nd Amendment actually is a Right, and if they refuse to give service to NRA members.....we will use the rules you created to sue them out of business...

First, I dispute that gun ownership is or should be a right. When that was written, a school shooting would have involved a musket it takes three minutes to reload in a little red schoolhouse with 10 kids in it. I think to keep saying, "Second Amendment Rights" after we have one of these mass slaughters is a little silly. We live in 2017, we need a 2017 answer.

The distinction I make is called facts. As I showed before, whatever common sense laws you think sound good have already been put in place for machine guns.

Then they should be put into place for assault rifles as well.

26 People died in Garland, 17 people died in Parkland.

I would say that there was an equal level of fail.

the Texas shooter passed a background check because your god, government, failed to press enter on a keyboard putting his discharge in the system.

A)....that is because the government cop, the ones you keep telling us will protect us if we give up our guns...didn't do his fucking job and go into the building to stop the shooting......the NRA instructor with his privately owned AR-15 rifle did go to the church to stop the killer murdering people in the church....you know, the other guy you morons failed to submit records on with your vaunted background check system...that NRA instructor saved 26 lives that day....you guy, the government agent, let 17 kids die.

26 People died in Garland, 17 people died in Parkland.

I would say that there was an equal level of fail.

B) People can use economics to express their views...we told you this when the gay guys wanted the wedding cake and you assholes laughed and told us they had to bake the cake....it was the right of the gay guys to get the cake...well, dumb ass, the 2nd Amendment actually is a Right, and if they refuse to give service to NRA members.....we will use the rules you created to sue them out of business...

First, I dispute that gun ownership is or should be a right. When that was written, a school shooting would have involved a musket it takes three minutes to reload in a little red schoolhouse with 10 kids in it. I think to keep saying, "Second Amendment Rights" after we have one of these mass slaughters is a little silly. We live in 2017, we need a 2017 answer.

The distinction I make is called facts. As I showed before, whatever common sense laws you think sound good have already been put in place for machine guns.

Then they should be put into place for assault rifles as well.

And the only massacres were done with muskets, bows and tomahawks......but if the Founders knew that socialist governments around the world would murder close to 200 million innocent men, women and children....all unarmed and defenseless....they would have mandated that every home have multiple rifles at all times....

Assault rifles....you guys keep lying about what an assault rifle is......and you think we will let you get away with it.....

Semi auto rifles, including the AR-15 are not military weapons....never have been, never will be.....but keep lying, it helps remind us not to trust anything you say about what you want to do with guns...

 

[2aguy]

Then stop claiming a machine gun was used. Your lies stop the focus. Your credibility folds every time you do. Sort of like the "1950s hunting rifle" bullshit.

Yawn, guy, nobody is going to look at 17 dead kids and say, "But, but, but that wasn't a machine gun!"

If anyone sounds nutty, its the gun nuts salivating over gun types... it makes you guys sound damned scary.

But they will look at a truck that murdered 86 people.....and say, hey, that wasn't a smart car......

 

[JoeB131]

the Texas shooter passed a background check because your god, government, failed to press enter on a keyboard putting his discharge in the system.

Or we need a better system than, "Is a database up to date".

Here's a crazy idea. Someone wants to buy a AR-15, we do a little more than check a database.

We call his employers (all of whom, including the air force, would have said bad stuff about him.)

We Call his ex-wife.

We talk to a few of his neighbors.

Had that been done, this could have been avoided. It wasn't, because the NRA specifically doesn't want these kinds of background checks to be done.

And the only massacres were done with muskets, bows and tomahawks......but if the Founders knew that socialist governments around the world would murder close to 200 million innocent men, women and children....all unarmed and defenseless....they would have mandated that every home have multiple rifles at all times....

Okay, besides the 200 million being a silly number, most of those people had guns. They were usually on the LOSING side of civil wars.