What right does he have to demand I lose my rights?

[kaz]

You like doing that. Saying you're experienced with guns, then portraying guns with the most stereotypical left wing caricature of them showing you know nothing of guns and have no experience. Just like how you were a Fox watching conservative and one day you woke up as a left wing moonbat who realized the Democratic party was right on every issue.

No, guy, I didn't wake up one day.

I got a call into my boss's office and was informed that I was going to be fired because I had run up too many medical bills, and ha, ha, there was nothing I could do about it hey, he didn't have to deal with a union.

Oh, yeah, and then finding myself with a new job that paid 25% less, a busted 401K and an Underwater Mortgage didn't help matter much either. Unlike you wingnuts, I didn't say, "Well, I still gots my gun, that's the important thing!"

No, you said your bills are someone else's problem and if your current boss don't think you're worth your salary, someone else is responsible for paying that to you. Your medical bills, your job and your salary are the responsibility of the insurance company, your old boss and your new boss. They are not your problem. And that realization made you realize you agree with the Democrats on every issue and repeat every talking point and believe every caricature they make Republicans out to be. I have two observations.

1) You didn't tell us the full story with your job. Your boss didn't just fire you because of medical bills and everything else was fine.

2) You were never a Republican. It's a childish game you, RW and other obvious liberal hacks like to play.

Saying you shot guns and were a Republican but you didn't learn a damned thing about either one is just pointless. You might as well just admit you are and always were an apartment dwelling city liberal snob because a shallow claim to the contrary with zero to back it up accomplishes exactly zero.

I did learn something. I learned there are the "Rich" issues - Free Trade, Tax Cuts for the Rich, Right to Work - that the GOP really cares about and fights for.

And then there are the Rube issues - Abortion, gay marriage, Creationism - that they taut to keep stupid people like you voting against your own economic interests.

I finally figured this out. Took me until my late 40's, but I figured it out

And at that point again, the entire slate was wiped clean and you became on every issue, every thought and every talking point a Democrat. LOL, your lie is as shallow as a five year old with cookie crumbs all over their face saying they don't know who ate the cookie.

Guns fall into kind of a gray area in between. It is a rich issue in that the NRA wants to keep as many people scared as they can so they keep buying guns they really don't need. But it's a rube issue in that they keep playing you guys and trying to keep you scared, when in fact, a gun in your house is 43 times more likely to kill someone in the household than a bad guy.

You have no serous proposal, you just like to keep focusing on statements we all agree with. The insane shouldn't have guns, criminals shouldn't have guns. You just keep going with let's make sure that honest citizens don't have them and pretend it worked.

 

[kaz]

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I love it. He served in the Army for 11 years and "fired pretty much everything they had" - that statement right there tells me he is full of beans. What was his MOS? An Infantryman fires his rifle and a M60 or perhaps a SAW. So I can't help but wonder exactly what his MOS was......

I was an Infantryman in Viet Nam. Never fired a Vulcan or a 105 MM Howitzer. Or a 30 MM Cannon from a Gunship. Never fired a Missile from a Sheridan tank.

Full of beans I tell you. My take? He was a clerk.

I was a 76Y30- Supply Sergeant. And yes, since i was in charge of the armory, i worked with everything we had - M16A1, M1911A1, M60, M2, M203. fired all of them at some point.

I just didn't think it was a substitute for my dick.

Actually, everything you say says the opposite. When others observe guns are for collecting, you say no, they are for shooting people! They are for target practice. Yeah, to practice shooting people! Defense, yeah, to shoot people!

You're the obsessed sicko who clearly is the one who sees a gun as a substitute for your dick. Which would probably be because... OK, I get it now...

 

[Skull Pilot]

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I love it. He served in the Army for 11 years and "fired pretty much everything they had" - that statement right there tells me he is full of beans. What was his MOS? An Infantryman fires his rifle and a M60 or perhaps a SAW. So I can't help but wonder exactly what his MOS was......

I was an Infantryman in Viet Nam. Never fired a Vulcan or a 105 MM Howitzer. Or a 30 MM Cannon from a Gunship. Never fired a Missile from a Sheridan tank.

Full of beans I tell you. My take? He was a clerk.

I was a 76Y30- Supply Sergeant. And yes, since i was in charge of the armory, i worked with everything we had - M16A1, M1911A1, M60, M2, M203. fired all of them at some point.

I just didn't think it was a substitute for my dick.

Cleaning and putting away the weapons of real soldiers doesn't make you an expert just like watching porn doesn't make you a stud.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When was the last mass shooting in Australia?

18 years ago.

When was the last mass shooting in America?

A day or so ago.

And you think you don't have a problem?

18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and wounding 2.

Okay, it's not a mass shooting if only one person dies....

Actually, mass shootings require three or more victims, so this qualifies, even if it wasn't a mass murder.

But that was a good try at moving the goalposts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In Joe's simplistic mind, if you could get rid of the guns, people wouldn't be able to think of ways to commit suicide or violence in other ways. He's not that bright. It's not the person who did it, it's the gun! LOL.

Okay, here it is.

If you slit your wrists, I could probably use the very basic first aid that the army taught me to keep you alive until the ambulance got there.

If you used a gun, not so much.

Again, Everyone else had this discussion. Everyone else banned or limited gun onwership. Americans are still dancing to the tune of the gun industry, that thinks that Nancy Lanza just doesn't have enough guns in her house for her crazy son to get a hold of.

Actually, if you shoot yourself in the wrist I know enough first aid to keep you alive until the ambulance gets there. If you cut your throat, slicing both carotid arteries, first aid isn't going to help.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, no other country you listed ever remotely had the culture we do. They are more homogenistic, they never had a lot of guns and overwhelming majority of the people want it that way. There is no comparison to keeping guns out of their culture and taking them by force out of ours.

Guy, we used to have Jim Crow as part of our culture. We learned and we got better.

The overwealming majority wants common sense gun control. Unfortunately, you have the NRA which has too much influence and uses a lot of scare tactics. But eventually, people are going to get sick and tired of watching children be dragged out in body bags and some NRA asshole saying, "That's the cost of 'freedom'."

If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

And BTW, guns aren't the magic firing sticks you think they are. They are simply projectiles propelled by a chemical reaction. You should get someone to show you one someday.

Also, your view that guns, which only shoot projectiles, have no purpose but killing people actually shows how sick you are. People play all kinds of games. When people play asteroids or throw darts, they aren't fantasizing about killing people. Only you are doing that. Shooting skeet or trap is fun, just like other target games. It's not about killing people. It just isn't. And when people learn to protect themselves, they aren't fantasizing about going on a shooting spree. Only sick people do that. You know, you.

Okay, so I guess you don't read all the USMB posters who go around talking smack about wanting to shoot anyone who will take their guns, then?

Sorry, the gun industry is not making billions of dollars selling "Skeet" shooters. They are selling fear. they are selling 12 guns to Nancy Lanza because they know Nancy is a batshit crazy prepper.

And it's kind of understandable. Less of the country hunts as a hobby. Less households own guns. so their goal is not to sell one gun to everyone, it's to sell 20 guns to one person.

And if she's a crazy person or she has a crazy son, and he goes off and shoots a bunch of school kids one morning... Oh, well, we're going to have the PR Department put in some overtime on this one.

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

 

[JoeB131]

I have been around firearms all my life. Served in the Army for 22 years (MOS 11B - 97B) and I have never thought of a firearm as a dick. You KILL with a firearm - you make LOVE with a dick.

See the difference, GI Joe? I would suggest that you tell all the kids that have grown up never knowing the difference between the two (thanks American Dads!) that when you kill on a video game it is just that - a game.

When you pull the trigger in real life - someone doesn't go home.

Given the misogynistic nature of most conservatives, I think it's distinction without a difference.

Frankly, given the crazy shit you post, I'm not seeing a particularly sane guy. I see a guy with serious anger management issues.

The point I was trying to make ist hat most American kids don't need a gun. Most Americans don't need a gun. Other countries have really figured this out.

 

[JoeB131]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

 

[JoeB131]

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He's lying. If he'd truly been an armorer, he'd identify his MOS as 92 Yankee. He just found something on the internet and is hoping it sounds authoritative enough to not be questioned.

Now, if you guys would stop quoting him, I wouldn't see his drivel at all.

Hey, Hun, they didn't turn the Quartermaster MOS's to 92Y until the early 90's, after i got out.

Maybe you need to learn a little background before you go shooting off your mouth.

Army MOS 76Y | MOSDb

 

[WinterBorn]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

Your "whole house" idea is worthless. In this case, the actual crazy person bought the guns. And he went thru, not one, not two, but three background checks. None of them showed anything. Why? Because his mental health providers failed in their duty to report him.

Do you think the national gun registry would help? Do you think the cops would have checked the registry and waited for an answer? There was no sign that they treated him as a serious threat.

 

[WinterBorn]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

We treat it that way because that is exactly what it is. The right to worship as you choose is guaranteed in the same document that the right to bear arms is guaranteed. Now you can disagree with the US Supreme Court if you want. But the big league constitutional scholars say it is an individual right. So you will forgive us if we don't take your word for it that it is written to provide rights for the states.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

We are talking about California here, the state that cross references every single mental health complaint against a registry of gun owners. Then we have the fact that the parents actually called the cops because they knew there son had purchased guns after bragging about it in videas, and were concerened that he might be a danger to others. That makes your suggestions for California law a bit lacking in the ability to actually stop anything, as usual.

As for background checks for the entire household, how is that common sense? Why stop at the household, what about relatives and friends? The entire city they live in? if anyone anywhere has ever been crazy or committed a crime just deny everyone within 10,000 miles a gun permit.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

 

[hunarcy]

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If you have some common sense gun control that doesn't already exist in California feel free to trot it out. I am pretty sure that, once that whack job stabbed his roommates, he was there after subject to automatic gun confiscation under California law, yet, for some reason, he felt no need to report to the nearest police station and demand they arrest him.

In other words, the laws don't seem to work the way you think they do.

....

Connecticut is another state that leaves me free to challenge you on what sort of common sense gun laws would have prevented what happened. In fact, I remember doing so right after Sandy Hook, and watching you sputter like an incoherent gerbil.

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

and, the little nazitroll wants to punish people for problems and actions that they don't have, but that a relative has.

 

[WinterBorn]

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

and, the little nazitroll wants to punish people for problems and actions that they don't have, but that a relative has.

And, hilariously, he defended union thugs threatening a woman's children because she is a VP for a company that hired nonunion labor as a portion of their workforce. Not all, mind you. But just a portion. According to JoeB, it was the woman's fault if her children were harmed.

 

[JoeB131]

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Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

Then they should all lose their jobs.

Period.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, crazy person, I usually ignore you because you are like, nuts.

Hmmm.

What kind of laws would have prevented these things?

How about- a background check that encompasses the entire home, including mental health issues. If someone in your house is crazy, there's no gun going to that house.

How about a national gun registry. When those cops went to Rodger's house, it might have been helpful if they had known he had purchased three guns in the last few weeks.

Point is, we have a gun culture that is lax about these things, mostly because we treat someone's right to own a gun like his right to go to the church of his choice.

Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

and, the little nazitroll wants to punish people for problems and actions that they don't have, but that a relative has.

Um... yeah.

If your relative can take your gun and go down to the school and kill 26 people, yeah, I think we should punish you for letting him have access to it. Dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

Well except in California they HAVE a system to check what firearms have been purchased, the cops did NOT USE IT.

and, the little nazitroll wants to punish people for problems and actions that they don't have, but that a relative has.

And, hilariously, he defended union thugs threatening a woman's children because she is a VP for a company that hired nonunion labor as a portion of their workforce. Not all, mind you. But just a portion. According to JoeB, it was the woman's fault if her children were harmed.

Yup. You hire scabs, you take the consequences.

 

[WinterBorn]

and, the little nazitroll wants to punish people for problems and actions that they don't have, but that a relative has.

And, hilariously, he defended union thugs threatening a woman's children because she is a VP for a company that hired nonunion labor as a portion of their workforce. Not all, mind you. But just a portion. According to JoeB, it was the woman's fault if her children were harmed.

Yup. You hire scabs, you take the consequences.

Reject mentally ill suitors, you take the consequences.

 

[JoeB131]

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Your "whole house" idea is worthless. In this case, the actual crazy person bought the guns. And he went thru, not one, not two, but three background checks. None of them showed anything. Why? Because his mental health providers failed in their duty to report him.

Do you think the national gun registry would help? Do you think the cops would have checked the registry and waited for an answer? There was no sign that they treated him as a serious threat.

Then you FIRE THEM. You make a big deal about firing them. You let it be known they didn't do their jobs and six people died. YOu blacklist them so they never, ever work in law enforcement again.

Then the next guy will check the fuckin' registry.

Then you go after the gun store. YOu take away his license to deal guns and you confiscate all his inventory and you throw a padlock in the front of his store.

Then the next guy will do an accurate background check. He might even notice this guy is acting a little screwy when he's in the store.