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We have more criminals than any place on earth
You cut the prisons and this nation is unlivable
For every drug addict in a treatment facility, more than TEN drug addicts are in prison. People with severe mental and emotional problems are in prisons. You cannot punish mental disease and drug addiction out of a person.
I may agree on drug addicts but not drug dealers
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
#6 On your list is a near guarantee that once a person has been put into the system; they'll be in, and out of it forever more.It appears the OP abandoned their thread. Just for the record, however, when dealing with adult offenders, the goals of the prison should be:
1) Punish the offender
2) Rehabilitate them
3) Make them earn any early release (like get a GED, job training skills, interpersonal skills, drug rehab, etc. while incarcerated)
4) Help them transition back into society (work / probation program)
5) They pay restitution
6) Return to society as equals (not labeled for the rest of their lives and locked out of society AND be expected to be a productive citizen
I worked in a prison, you are a liar. The convicts have every opportunity to turn it around.Good post.So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.
For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...
There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"
Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.
Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"
Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.
We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.
/blog
My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool
Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!
The goal should be to equip these people with the tools they need to function in society.
Our prison system currently is not equipped to do that.
Sadly I don't know the whoops answer.
Education should certainly be a part, not just "readin' writin' and 'rithmatic" but social education and coping skills as well. A trade is a necessity as well. They also could use job placement and a support network.
Obviously all.of them can't be rehabilitated. Serial killers shouldn't be released for instance.
My ¢.02.
We know enough about psychology to make changes. Honesty, courage and vision are lacking.
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
And even that, is really reversing the causal link.
Crime.... causes.... poverty. People that engage in crime, get fired from their jobs. Don't advance up the economic ladder. End up going to prison, have criminal records, which makes it even more difficult for them to climb the economy ladder.
The implication here is that if we can just eliminate poverty, that crime will go away. That is absolutely false.
You need to eliminate crime, and then poverty will go away.
When people stop engaging in crime, and instead start working for what they want, they'll naturally progress up the economic ladder.
So locking people up, and enforcing the law... and teaching right and wrong in the public, that there is no excuse for crime.... that is how you end up with people becoming wealthy. Because they'll start working lawfully for what they want.
The problem is morals, and a lack of law enforcement. We need to double the size of our police force, and start coming down hard on crime.
Then poverty will decline.
Additionally, we need to stop encouraging unwed mothers, and stop subsidizing the breakup of the family. That also has a direct clear impact on crime, which has a direct impact on poverty.
Those are the solutions. Family values, and enforcing the law.
Personally, after three felonies you should never get out of prison. After one violent felony you should either be put to death or never get out of prison.
Personally, after three felonies you should never get out of prison. After one violent felony you should either be put to death or never get out of prison.
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
And even that, is really reversing the causal link.
Crime.... causes.... poverty. People that engage in crime, get fired from their jobs. Don't advance up the economic ladder. End up going to prison, have criminal records, which makes it even more difficult for them to climb the economy ladder.
The implication here is that if we can just eliminate poverty, that crime will go away. That is absolutely false.
You need to eliminate crime, and then poverty will go away.
When people stop engaging in crime, and instead start working for what they want, they'll naturally progress up the economic ladder.
So locking people up, and enforcing the law... and teaching right and wrong in the public, that there is no excuse for crime.... that is how you end up with people becoming wealthy. Because they'll start working lawfully for what they want.
The problem is morals, and a lack of law enforcement. We need to double the size of our police force, and start coming down hard on crime.
Then poverty will decline.
Additionally, we need to stop encouraging unwed mothers, and stop subsidizing the breakup of the family. That also has a direct clear impact on crime, which has a direct impact on poverty.
Those are the solutions. Family values, and enforcing the law.
what they need to do is send them to a military school that teaches education and rehab them than give them a TV and gym to workout in prison to get big and strong.
If you don’t get high school you are going to get low paying job getting less than 10 dollars flipping burgers, working at car wash ,taking out the trash, being house cleaner or working at dishwasher in fast food or restaurant.
You well lack of education and good paying job and you will be doing crime to support your self.
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
And even that, is really reversing the causal link.
Crime.... causes.... poverty. People that engage in crime, get fired from their jobs. Don't advance up the economic ladder. End up going to prison, have criminal records, which makes it even more difficult for them to climb the economy ladder.
The implication here is that if we can just eliminate poverty, that crime will go away. That is absolutely false.
You need to eliminate crime, and then poverty will go away.
When people stop engaging in crime, and instead start working for what they want, they'll naturally progress up the economic ladder.
So locking people up, and enforcing the law... and teaching right and wrong in the public, that there is no excuse for crime.... that is how you end up with people becoming wealthy. Because they'll start working lawfully for what they want.
The problem is morals, and a lack of law enforcement. We need to double the size of our police force, and start coming down hard on crime.
Then poverty will decline.
Additionally, we need to stop encouraging unwed mothers, and stop subsidizing the breakup of the family. That also has a direct clear impact on crime, which has a direct impact on poverty.
Those are the solutions. Family values, and enforcing the law.
what they need to do is send them to a military school that teaches education and rehab them than give them a TV and gym to workout in prison to get big and strong.
If you don’t get high school you are going to get low paying job getting less than 10 dollars flipping burgers, working at car wash ,taking out the trash, being house cleaner or working at dishwasher in fast food or restaurant.
You well lack of education and good paying job and you will be doing crime to support your self.
That's not true. I know people who worked those jobs, without education, and didn't need to do crime to support themselves.
ME... for example.
I have no education. I have no training. No skills. No nothing.
I have worked flipping burgers, working a car wash, taking out trash, and so on.
Never once did I think.... oh I need to engage in crime to support myself!
By the way, cleaning houses is not a low pay job. What the heck are you talking about? You realize that house cleaners of any decent reputation, make almost $50/hour? How much they make a year, only is dependent on how many houses they are willing to do a day.
Now it takes work. You got to work at it. But you clean 3 houses a day, putting in 2 to 3 hours at each house, that's $200, to $400 per day. You do that 5 days a week, that's $2,000 a week, or $100,000 a year.
Ask me how I know that? I know two women that do that. There is only one reason they don't make $100,000 a year, and it simply because.... they don't want to. They would rather do fewer houses, and have time with their family.
But that actually illustrates my point. Anyone in this country, even ex-convicts, can be wealthy. It's a matter of choice. If you go and clean houses, you can make good money.
The problem isn't this mythology that people can't earn enough and thus.... magically... they just simply have no choice but to commit crime! .... No. The problem is, people don't want to work.
It's that simple. They commit crime, because they simply have no morals and think they are "entitled" to what they want in life. That is it. All that "they have no choice!" crap is made up left-wing nonsense.
Punishment is a MUST. But yes require the criminals that are not in for life to complete a vocational program and if not done already High School.So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.
For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...
There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"
Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.
Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"
Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.
We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.
/blog
My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool
Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!
USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
And even that, is really reversing the causal link.
Crime.... causes.... poverty. People that engage in crime, get fired from their jobs. Don't advance up the economic ladder. End up going to prison, have criminal records, which makes it even more difficult for them to climb the economy ladder.
The implication here is that if we can just eliminate poverty, that crime will go away. That is absolutely false.
You need to eliminate crime, and then poverty will go away.
When people stop engaging in crime, and instead start working for what they want, they'll naturally progress up the economic ladder.
So locking people up, and enforcing the law... and teaching right and wrong in the public, that there is no excuse for crime.... that is how you end up with people becoming wealthy. Because they'll start working lawfully for what they want.
The problem is morals, and a lack of law enforcement. We need to double the size of our police force, and start coming down hard on crime.
Then poverty will decline.
Additionally, we need to stop encouraging unwed mothers, and stop subsidizing the breakup of the family. That also has a direct clear impact on crime, which has a direct impact on poverty.
Those are the solutions. Family values, and enforcing the law.
what they need to do is send them to a military school that teaches education and rehab them than give them a TV and gym to workout in prison to get big and strong.
If you don’t get high school you are going to get low paying job getting less than 10 dollars flipping burgers, working at car wash ,taking out the trash, being house cleaner or working at dishwasher in fast food or restaurant.
You well lack of education and good paying job and you will be doing crime to support your self.
That's not true. I know people who worked those jobs, without education, and didn't need to do crime to support themselves.
ME... for example.
I have no education. I have no training. No skills. No nothing.
I have worked flipping burgers, working a car wash, taking out trash, and so on.
Never once did I think.... oh I need to engage in crime to support myself!
By the way, cleaning houses is not a low pay job. What the heck are you talking about? You realize that house cleaners of any decent reputation, make almost $50/hour? How much they make a year, only is dependent on how many houses they are willing to do a day.
Now it takes work. You got to work at it. But you clean 3 houses a day, putting in 2 to 3 hours at each house, that's $200, to $400 per day. You do that 5 days a week, that's $2,000 a week, or $100,000 a year.
Ask me how I know that? I know two women that do that. There is only one reason they don't make $100,000 a year, and it simply because.... they don't want to. They would rather do fewer houses, and have time with their family.
But that actually illustrates my point. Anyone in this country, even ex-convicts, can be wealthy. It's a matter of choice. If you go and clean houses, you can make good money.
The problem isn't this mythology that people can't earn enough and thus.... magically... they just simply have no choice but to commit crime! .... No. The problem is, people don't want to work.
It's that simple. They commit crime, because they simply have no morals and think they are "entitled" to what they want in life. That is it. All that "they have no choice!" crap is made up left-wing nonsense.
What motivates individuals is as varied as our worlds population. I have gone into my county jail for the past few years to help inmates earn their GEDs. Some go after it like they are starving and the books in front of them are hamburgers. Others are just looking for an excuse to get out of their block. Some can’t wait to get on with their life, find a job and work hard. Others get released and are back within 6 months. The only difference is that some are mature enough to say, I do not lIke my situation and will do whatever it takes to change (note they take responsibility). Others say exactly what they think the “authority” wants to hear and as soon as they are out and the door to the jail closes with them on the other side...they are in the wind. What accounts for this difference? The best answer I’ve ever heard is that you have to be sick and tired of being sick and tired.USA needs far more prisons than ever before
Actually, we need to cut the number of prisons in half. We already have more people in prison than nation on this planet. China has four times the population and we have more people in prison than communist China! If you're going to participate in this, you really should read the thread so we don't have to end up beating a dead horse.
That not really true compared to Europe the US has major prison population problem but compared to the world many other countries that have a very high prison population are close to the US level.
When you look at the map it all comes down to poverty. The countries that have more poverty are worse.
You you cannot really look at China because it is communist country.
And even that, is really reversing the causal link.
Crime.... causes.... poverty. People that engage in crime, get fired from their jobs. Don't advance up the economic ladder. End up going to prison, have criminal records, which makes it even more difficult for them to climb the economy ladder.
The implication here is that if we can just eliminate poverty, that crime will go away. That is absolutely false.
You need to eliminate crime, and then poverty will go away.
When people stop engaging in crime, and instead start working for what they want, they'll naturally progress up the economic ladder.
So locking people up, and enforcing the law... and teaching right and wrong in the public, that there is no excuse for crime.... that is how you end up with people becoming wealthy. Because they'll start working lawfully for what they want.
The problem is morals, and a lack of law enforcement. We need to double the size of our police force, and start coming down hard on crime.
Then poverty will decline.
Additionally, we need to stop encouraging unwed mothers, and stop subsidizing the breakup of the family. That also has a direct clear impact on crime, which has a direct impact on poverty.
Those are the solutions. Family values, and enforcing the law.
what they need to do is send them to a military school that teaches education and rehab them than give them a TV and gym to workout in prison to get big and strong.
If you don’t get high school you are going to get low paying job getting less than 10 dollars flipping burgers, working at car wash ,taking out the trash, being house cleaner or working at dishwasher in fast food or restaurant.
You well lack of education and good paying job and you will be doing crime to support your self.
That's not true. I know people who worked those jobs, without education, and didn't need to do crime to support themselves.
ME... for example.
I have no education. I have no training. No skills. No nothing.
I have worked flipping burgers, working a car wash, taking out trash, and so on.
Never once did I think.... oh I need to engage in crime to support myself!
By the way, cleaning houses is not a low pay job. What the heck are you talking about? You realize that house cleaners of any decent reputation, make almost $50/hour? How much they make a year, only is dependent on how many houses they are willing to do a day.
Now it takes work. You got to work at it. But you clean 3 houses a day, putting in 2 to 3 hours at each house, that's $200, to $400 per day. You do that 5 days a week, that's $2,000 a week, or $100,000 a year.
Ask me how I know that? I know two women that do that. There is only one reason they don't make $100,000 a year, and it simply because.... they don't want to. They would rather do fewer houses, and have time with their family.
But that actually illustrates my point. Anyone in this country, even ex-convicts, can be wealthy. It's a matter of choice. If you go and clean houses, you can make good money.
The problem isn't this mythology that people can't earn enough and thus.... magically... they just simply have no choice but to commit crime! .... No. The problem is, people don't want to work.
It's that simple. They commit crime, because they simply have no morals and think they are "entitled" to what they want in life. That is it. All that "they have no choice!" crap is made up left-wing nonsense.
Punishment is a MUST. But yes require the criminals that are not in for life to complete a vocational program and if not done already High School.So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.
For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...
There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"
Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.
Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"
Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.
We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.
/blog
My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool
Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!
I left out "better quality employees".I worked in a prison, you are a liar. The convicts have every opportunity to turn it around.Good post.So as you all know I speak from a bit of experience but I see what I consider crazy posts on the subject all the time.
For those that don't know I was sentenced to 5 to 15 at the age of 16. I was all about ME and as a result all the group homes and foster homes couldn't save me. So let's get to the point...
There seem to be two different mindsets to felons and imo BOTH are wrong. Some say "throw away the key's " while others say "no bail"
Well i can speak somewhat to the no bail position. My grandmother bailed me out time after time and all it achieved what to deepen my boldness because i considered myself untouchable. She wasn't a bad woman, she just blindly loved me. Basically she played the role of a bleeding heart liberal with their no bail bullshit.
The flipside to that is the people that think simply locking people up and forgetting about them solves the problem.
Recividisom is a major problem in the prison population. You lock a man up and hold him in a hole for years. Then suddenly he gets his freedom and just like before he went in he has no tools to cope with society. He's kicked into a halfway house for 30 days and then suddenly, after years of being treated like a dog in a kennel, is expected to function in society. No one will hire him except the people who want the tax credits available to them. Those same employers abuse the employees under the threat of "reporting them"
Imo every convict that isn't convicted of violent crimes should be offered basic educational classes and should be REQUIRED to finish a trade school vocation before being eligible for release.
When I was in prison vocational education was an option and not required. I took it to get the fuck out of my cell and that was the only reason. That vocation that i used for a sense of freedom is likely the only reason i am free today.
We have to "arm" convicts with the skills to succeed. Or we can simply lock them up and hope to God they dont become our or our children's neighbors when they get out.
/blog
My first attempt at a not troll debate in this forum.
I read that I'm supposed to make three rules but I have no idea what that means?
No insults
No partisan bs
Tell me I'm cool
Yeah, I like those three rules.....GO!
The goal should be to equip these people with the tools they need to function in society.
Our prison system currently is not equipped to do that.
Sadly I don't know the whoops answer.
Education should certainly be a part, not just "readin' writin' and 'rithmatic" but social education and coping skills as well. A trade is a necessity as well. They also could use job placement and a support network.
Obviously all.of them can't be rehabilitated. Serial killers shouldn't be released for instance.
My ¢.02.
