What The Left Would Have Us Surrender?

[PoliticalChic]

The only thing we'd have y'all surrender is your pathetic ignorance.

Oh, my....another 'I hate you' post from an inconsequential dunce who can't find any specific to dispute.

Earthshaking.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Progressivism is all about turning over the power of the people to bureaucrats, technocrats, experts of every stripe....and the result is collectivization and loss of independence and sovereignty.


8. "... there’s a tendency among bureaucrats, politicians, academics, and other members of the New Class to convince the people to hand over the major decisions of their lives to the “experts.”These experts aren’t all in the government, but they all collude with government to convince people that the experts have all the answers and that the people need to hand the reins over to them. They will tell us what to eat, what to drive,what to think.

It’s an approach that puts politics before economics. Because it is an attempt to politicize peoples’ lives.”
Nazis: Still Socialists, by Jonah Goldberg, National Review



Hence...

"So are the unutterably irritating pretentions of the industrious little worker bees of Brussels, robotic bureaucrats from little countries, delivering the timetable of homogenizing Eurofederation to the credulous leaders of larger nations with the insolence of Prussian schoolmasters."
NYSUN, Op. Cit.

Did you tell us what freedom you want that you don't have,

or do you concede you're crying about nothing?

I'll take your stunned silence as a confirmation of the latter.

The cow bitches about losing her freedoms and can't name a single one she's lost.

Classic RWnuttery.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Right would have the US surrender its nation sovereignty to 50 different principalities, aka the states,

and in the process create the new Balkans.

Let me stretch and try to imagine you with an education.
Maybe another time....

Start here:

1. "Federalism is a political concept in which a group of members are bound together by covenant (Latin: foedus, covenant) with a governing representative head. The term "federalism" is also used to describe a system of government in which sovereignty is constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units (such as states or provinces)."Federalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The less insightful, or should I say, less educated, have come to believe that American people are evil racists.....and that some, in particular states, have to be controlled by a benevolent government ready and able to control/change them....sometimes called 'hope and change.'

Of course, most Leftists don't comprehend 'sovereignty' any more than 'federalism.'

2. Time an again command-and-control economies have failed, and "The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10. While BREXIT seems to apply only to England....the subtext is a fight that is current in America, over America's sovereignty, too.

We have been cursed with a Leftist in the presidency, one who is full in accord with world governance and ending our sovereignty.


"Incredibly, President Obama has been urging Britain to stick with Europe. Two years ago, he warned that if Britain were to pull out of Europe, it would lose influence there and even here.

My own theory is that Mr. Obama actually prefers the kind of socialist regulatory thinking that obtains in Brussels, where the union has its headquarters. Senator Sanders is openly campaigning for a European-style system.


In recent months, Mr. Obama has turned nastier. His trade representative, Michael Froman, told Britain in October that if it makes a bid for independence, it should forget about any separate trade agreement with America.

America, Froman sneered, is “not particularly in the market” for free-trade agreements “with individual countries.” He warned that an independent Britain could face the kind of tariffs America imposes on Red China.

It would be terrific all around. Particularly after Mr. Obama’s years of American retreat. Our greatest international triumphs, Conrad Black notes this week, were under the partnerships of Churchill and FDR and Thatcher and Reagan." ‘Brexit of Champions’: How Britain May Trigger A Political Earthquake - The New York Sun




Shocker, huh. Obama, the cookie-cutter socialist, presiding over our retreat and surrender into economic and foreign policy doldrums, demanding that England be sure to give up its sovereignty.


Just what the Democrats have in mind for America.

 

[Agit8r]

The only thing we'd have y'all surrender is your pathetic ignorance.

Oh, my....another 'I hate you' post from an inconsequential dunce who can't find any specific to dispute.

Earthshaking.

you flatter yourself

 

[NYcarbineer]

10. While BREXIT seems to apply only to England....the subtext is a fight that is current in America, over America's sovereignty, too.

We have been cursed with a Leftist in the presidency, one who is full in accord with world governance and ending our sovereignty.


"Incredibly, President Obama has been urging Britain to stick with Europe. Two years ago, he warned that if Britain were to pull out of Europe, it would lose influence there and even here.

My own theory is that Mr. Obama actually prefers the kind of socialist regulatory thinking that obtains in Brussels, where the union has its headquarters. Senator Sanders is openly campaigning for a European-style system.


In recent months, Mr. Obama has turned nastier. His trade representative, Michael Froman, told Britain in October that if it makes a bid for independence, it should forget about any separate trade agreement with America.

America, Froman sneered, is “not particularly in the market” for free-trade agreements “with individual countries.” He warned that an independent Britain could face the kind of tariffs America imposes on Red China.

It would be terrific all around. Particularly after Mr. Obama’s years of American retreat. Our greatest international triumphs, Conrad Black notes this week, were under the partnerships of Churchill and FDR and Thatcher and Reagan." ‘Brexit of Champions’: How Britain May Trigger A Political Earthquake - The New York Sun




Shocker, huh. Obama, the cookie-cutter socialist, presiding over our retreat and surrender into economic and foreign policy doldrums, demanding that England be sure to give up its sovereignty.


Just what the Democrats have in mind for America.

Should we leave NATO?

hint, that's a yes or no question.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If states' rights are so important to conservatives, why shouldn't we repeal the 2nd Amendment and return the issue of gun rights/gun control

TO THE STATES?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Right would have the US surrender its nation sovereignty to 50 different principalities, aka the states,

and in the process create the new Balkans.

Let me stretch and try to imagine you with an education.
Maybe another time....

Start here:

1. "Federalism is a political concept in which a group of members are bound together by covenant (Latin: foedus, covenant) with a governing representative head. The term "federalism" is also used to describe a system of government in which sovereignty is constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units (such as states or provinces)."Federalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The less insightful, or should I say, less educated, have come to believe that American people are evil racists.....and that some, in particular states, have to be controlled by a benevolent government ready and able to control/change them....sometimes called 'hope and change.'

Of course, most Leftists don't comprehend 'sovereignty' any more than 'federalism.'

2. Time an again command-and-control economies have failed, and "The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist.

"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


2. Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances.
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


3. Obviously, you have never read the Federalist Paper...
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined.Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, aswar, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce;with which last the power of taxation will for the most part be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
James Madison, Federalist #45, January 26, 1788




Now, say 'thank you' for today's lesson.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


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See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
James Madison, Federalist #45, January 26, 1788
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So you're taking the position that the federal government had no business, or constitutional authority, to pass laws ending Jim Crow in the South.

Expand on your position.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


.

See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

Of course not.

It simply means that a number of Supreme Court decisions have been illegal and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court's occupation by unconstitutional forces goes as far back as John Marshall.

You know that....you are simply willing to lie about it based on this:

"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"What The Left Would Have Us Surrender?"

This fails as a straw man fallacy - another ridiculous lie.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


.

See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

Of course not.

It simply means that a number of Supreme Court decisions have been illegal and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court's occupation by unconstitutional forces goes as far back as John Marshall.

You know that....you are simply willing to lie about it based on this:

"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

Cite the law used to charge a Supreme Court with making an illegal ruling.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


.

See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

Of course not.

It simply means that a number of Supreme Court decisions have been illegal and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court's occupation by unconstitutional forces goes as far back as John Marshall.

You know that....you are simply willing to lie about it based on this:

"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

There is no such thing as an unconstitutional Supreme Court ruling, given that the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on constitutionality.

 

[BluesLegend]

OP we don't surrender to the left we kick their prissy asses.

 

[JFK_USA]

The personal attacks are evidence that you've hit the bulls eye (once again).

Considering PC's response to anyone who challenges her positions is ad hominem, it's not surprising. She says the most ridiculous things, uses the hasty generalizations fallacy to say ALL progressives are X. Then when she is challenged, instead of answering it fairly, she just insults.

She is literally Donald Trump. No substance, just hot air.

I notice you haven't challenged my positions....

...due to fear, or....wisdom?

Wisdom in the fact that there is no discussion to be had with you. Even when you are challenged and your premise is exposed, you just ad hominem your way out of it and the mouthbreathers on this board will say "Yeah! Go PC! You're so right! Libtards are stupid!"

See for example:

You make the claim that Socialism gives up our sovereignty as a nation, then comparing it to the EU. So if the EU is so powerful, why do all nations in the EU have their own separate governments?

 

[PoliticalChic]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


.

See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

Of course not.

It simply means that a number of Supreme Court decisions have been illegal and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court's occupation by unconstitutional forces goes as far back as John Marshall.

You know that....you are simply willing to lie about it based on this:

"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

Cite the law used to charge a Supreme Court with making an illegal ruling.

When are you going to get around to thanking me for teaching you what federalism is....post #88????

 

[PoliticalChic]

"What The Left Would Have Us Surrender?"

This fails as a straw man fallacy - another ridiculous lie.

Congrats.....you get the award as "The Most Boring Poster on USMB"!!!


I just received a copy of your acceptance speech...
....here it is:
"This fails as a straw man fallacy "


The crowd cheers!

 

[PoliticalChic]

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"It's really amusing how you talk about the Constitution as if the Supremacy Clause doesn't exist."

1. Au Contraire....
It is totally consistent with your serial prevarication that you pretend that the 10th amendment doesn't exist.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."


.

See what I highlighted. Do you know what that phrase means? Let me help you. It means that the states only get powers the Constitution doesn't prohibit.

Do you know what the means? It means that when federal laws such as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, or the Voting Rights Act of 1965, or when Supreme Court decisions such as Roe v Wade or the recent upholding of same sex marriage rights

are enacted, the states have to comply.

Of course not.

It simply means that a number of Supreme Court decisions have been illegal and unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court's occupation by unconstitutional forces goes as far back as John Marshall.

You know that....you are simply willing to lie about it based on this:

"Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."
Coulter

There is no such thing as an unconstitutional Supreme Court ruling, given that the Supreme Court is the supreme authority on constitutionality.

There couldn't be a more definitive proof of your ignorance than this post.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OP we don't surrender to the left we kick their prissy asses.

I sure hope we see that attitude in England in June, in the BREXIT vote.


(Pssssst.....don't forget this: 65,915,796 surrendered to the Leftists in 2012.)