What was a reason for God to sacrifice His Son?

[ding]

What do they know about outer space in the OT?

That creation was created in steps.

How so?

How wasn't it?

 

[ding]

Yes. They are two separate and distinct questions.

1. Does God exist?
2. Who is God?

Now do you understand? If you need some more help, I am always here for you.

So to ask those questions and go further, I have to believe in god already. Does it matter which god?

You won't be able to determine who God is until you believe he exists. The first part informs the second part.

There is only one Creator, Taz. You are confusing many different perceptions of God with many different Gods. There is only one. And you aren't interested in finding him.

I'm not worried, you haven't found him either.

So I have to believe in god for him to exist. Um... no.

Sure I have. It wasn't very hard either.

No. You have to believe in God to find out who he is.

I already know who the god of the bible is and I don’t see any proof for such a person or being.

That's only because you don't believe there is a God in the first place.

In fact, it is worse than that. It is because you don't believe the God of the bible can be God that you believe there is no God at all.

You don't search for God in the meaning of life, you search for your confirmation bias instead.

 

[ding]

Religion? Or people?

What 1% of religion is in the light?

His own, of course.

Don't be silly. That would not be mathematically likely. Most likely he meant people.

Both is truth. Satan beat 99% living now centuries ago--All through the bible= 99% mislead--the only time maybe not, when Israel stood strong, they fell over and over though. Few know what Jesus actually taught. In every church on earth, the teachers are paid to teach that religions dogmas. A little of what Jesus taught, but not correctly either. Jesus clearly did away with the tithe, yet some fall for it and think they are listening to Jesus real teachers. They are being mislead. Ear ticklers for the tithe I call them.

Sounds like you are judging them.

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

 

[ding]

Who is a teacher of darkness?

99% of all religion on earth is in darkness

Religion? Or people?

What 1% of religion is in the light?

Jesus started one single religion( Acts 24:5)1Cor 1:10)

Its not that difficult to find his real teachers--Jesus said--- Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--- thus his real teachers make 100% sure a steady bible reading every week is read at home and discussed in the congregation so all benefit from Gods will. Week after week, year after year--it does not stop. All can look at their teachers.

That would be the Catholic Church you are referring to.

Not on planet earth. They are so far removed from God and his son a 10 year old can see it.
Catholicism brought in the cross( pagan torture death device) statues, icons, graven images and filled their churches and homes with all of them. Condemned in the OT to use any of those.

You see Catholics that way to confirm your beliefs.

Idol worshiping is when one worships the created instead of the Creator. Good examples would be the self, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, power, etc.

 

[Taz]

So it's written in the bible that the bible is god's words. Ummm... no, that makes no sense.

There is a lot of proof God inspired the bible. There are things in the OT about outer space( true things) no one could possibly know back then. As well archeologists dug many sights the bible said God destroyed those civilizations--They were wicked. 99.9% in Noahs day were wicked--Yet they were human, I would say they love their family and friends. Mislead into false god worship and pagan practices off the table of demons( 1Corinthians 10:21)---- I can clearly see revelation passing before the worlds eyes, it has been for many years.

What do they know about outer space in the OT?

So the babies in Noah's day were wicked?

And please leave archeologists out of it, none ever said any civilizations were wicked, you know that that's nonsense.

Unfortunately God showed the parents that their children ride on their shoulders. In reality-- God destroyed the parents because they were wicked. Satans #1 tool= from generation to generation from parent to child--false god worship and pagan practices off the table of demons handed down-- Those children were actually spared from living totally wicked existences facing a bad judgement--instead they will be given the opportunity to learn and apply Gods will and gain life everlasting in Gods kingdom. Unless they choose wrong after satan is loosed for a little while. Which would you choose for your children?
Many complain about disfellowshipping of a family member, but in the ot--being stoned to death on the spot was judgement--which would they choose for their family member?

You sound totally confused.

It must be your confusion--I stated--FACT.

You never answered what the OT knows about outer space but went on some unrelated rant.

And things from the bible aren't "FACT" unless they can actually be proven in real life.

 

[Taz]

But those stories were written several generations after the events supposedly happened, so we don't really know what Jesus actually said.

God preserved the teachings of Jesus--They are the same in every translation on earth--( with the exception of a word--Earth-Land-Matt 5:5)-- There Jesus speaking about-the great multitude which no man can #--Will inherit the EARTH--- they do not go to heaven. Proverbs 2:21-22,, Matthew 24:22)-- the new earth= Gods kingdom in full control. No matter where one stands they will stand before Gods throne--The only ruling power to exist forever-Daniel 2:44)

That's not proof that Jesus said what's written in the bible that he said.

The OT was written thousands of years before Jesus, yet there are many things taught about him in those writings. The foretold Messiah- Gods appointed king. Daniel 7:13-15)--If youtruly desire to find God--do as Jesus said--Our Father who art in heaven--Through Jesus name at the end. Put your whole being into it. He will reveal himself. But be careful. Its easy to be believe untrue things.( Jeremiah 17:9)

Still not real proof.

I have read in the bible where the wicked keep demanding proof.

Just because you read it in a book does not make it fact, you need some actual proof for that.

 

[Taz]

What do they know about outer space in the OT?

That creation was created in steps.

How so?

How wasn't it?

What do you mean? Please explain.

 

[Taz]

So to ask those questions and go further, I have to believe in god already. Does it matter which god?

You won't be able to determine who God is until you believe he exists. The first part informs the second part.

There is only one Creator, Taz. You are confusing many different perceptions of God with many different Gods. There is only one. And you aren't interested in finding him.

I'm not worried, you haven't found him either.

So I have to believe in god for him to exist. Um... no.

Sure I have. It wasn't very hard either.

No. You have to believe in God to find out who he is.

I already know who the god of the bible is and I don’t see any proof for such a person or being.

That's only because you don't believe there is a God in the first place.

In fact, it is worse than that. It is because you don't believe the God of the bible can be God that you believe there is no God at all.

You don't search for God in the meaning of life, you search for your confirmation bias instead.

I look for actual proof of god, of which you have shown nothing.

 

[Taz]

99% of all religion on earth is in darkness

Religion? Or people?

What 1% of religion is in the light?

Jesus started one single religion( Acts 24:5)1Cor 1:10)

Its not that difficult to find his real teachers--Jesus said--- Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--- thus his real teachers make 100% sure a steady bible reading every week is read at home and discussed in the congregation so all benefit from Gods will. Week after week, year after year--it does not stop. All can look at their teachers.

That would be the Catholic Church you are referring to.

Not on planet earth. They are so far removed from God and his son a 10 year old can see it.
Catholicism brought in the cross( pagan torture death device) statues, icons, graven images and filled their churches and homes with all of them. Condemned in the OT to use any of those.

You see Catholics that way to confirm your beliefs.

Idol worshiping is when one worships the created instead of the Creator. Good examples would be the self, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, power, etc.

Sex is idol worshipping. I pity your partner.

 

[kjw47]

His own, of course.

Don't be silly. That would not be mathematically likely. Most likely he meant people.

Both is truth. Satan beat 99% living now centuries ago--All through the bible= 99% mislead--the only time maybe not, when Israel stood strong, they fell over and over though. Few know what Jesus actually taught. In every church on earth, the teachers are paid to teach that religions dogmas. A little of what Jesus taught, but not correctly either. Jesus clearly did away with the tithe, yet some fall for it and think they are listening to Jesus real teachers. They are being mislead. Ear ticklers for the tithe I call them.

Sounds like you are judging them.

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

I shared what the bible teaches--its not my personal judgements--just facts.

 

[kjw47]

99% of all religion on earth is in darkness

Religion? Or people?

What 1% of religion is in the light?

Jesus started one single religion( Acts 24:5)1Cor 1:10)

Its not that difficult to find his real teachers--Jesus said--- Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--- thus his real teachers make 100% sure a steady bible reading every week is read at home and discussed in the congregation so all benefit from Gods will. Week after week, year after year--it does not stop. All can look at their teachers.

That would be the Catholic Church you are referring to.

Not on planet earth. They are so far removed from God and his son a 10 year old can see it.
Catholicism brought in the cross( pagan torture death device) statues, icons, graven images and filled their churches and homes with all of them. Condemned in the OT to use any of those.

You see Catholics that way to confirm your beliefs.

Idol worshiping is when one worships the created instead of the Creator. Good examples would be the self, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, power, etc.

Bowing to a carved Jesus behind the pulpit is bowing to a graven image. Jesus is sitting on a throne in heaven. He is not in a wooden statue behind the pulpit.
kissing a little metal cross( icon) torture death device)
Jesus, who represents--LOVE,PEACE and UNITY would NOT have a torture death device as the front of his religion. This brought it in-2Thess 2:3)

 

[Taz]

Don't be silly. That would not be mathematically likely. Most likely he meant people.

Both is truth. Satan beat 99% living now centuries ago--All through the bible= 99% mislead--the only time maybe not, when Israel stood strong, they fell over and over though. Few know what Jesus actually taught. In every church on earth, the teachers are paid to teach that religions dogmas. A little of what Jesus taught, but not correctly either. Jesus clearly did away with the tithe, yet some fall for it and think they are listening to Jesus real teachers. They are being mislead. Ear ticklers for the tithe I call them.

Sounds like you are judging them.

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

I shared what the bible teaches--its not my personal judgements--just facts.

A fact is something you can prove.

 

[kjw47]

Both is truth. Satan beat 99% living now centuries ago--All through the bible= 99% mislead--the only time maybe not, when Israel stood strong, they fell over and over though. Few know what Jesus actually taught. In every church on earth, the teachers are paid to teach that religions dogmas. A little of what Jesus taught, but not correctly either. Jesus clearly did away with the tithe, yet some fall for it and think they are listening to Jesus real teachers. They are being mislead. Ear ticklers for the tithe I call them.

Sounds like you are judging them.

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

I shared what the bible teaches--its not my personal judgements--just facts.

A fact is something you can prove.

You erred itissomething God will prove to all. Most the hard way because they demand proof.

 

[Taz]

Sounds like you are judging them.

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

I shared what the bible teaches--its not my personal judgements--just facts.

A fact is something you can prove.

You erred itissomething God will prove to all. Most the hard way because they demand proof.

God isn't even a fact.

 

[Meriweather]

OK. You win. The Catholic church is all about Freedom of thought and beliefs. Galileo must be proud! The Inquisition was just for show.

Shrug. I know more about the Inquisition than Catholic critics want known. There was one Inquisitor that is responsible for the majority of prosecutions. Might call this the rogue prosecutor, much like your priest in New Orleans. At the time Church and State worked together. It is no secret that people (outside that Spanish Inquisitor) preferred to be tried by the Church than tried by the State as the Church was known to be much more lenient and merciful. (Amazing what can be learned when looking at primary sourcing rather than third-hand chin-wag.)

Galileo was never in trouble with the Church because of his theory (which in his time could not yet actually be proven). Galileo got into trouble by absolutely insisting that the Bible passages be noted as wrong, and changed to reflect his discovery. The Pope and Galileo disagreed sharply over this, got into a pissing match which Galileo lost. I think today most people would agree that the Bible should be translated as written without the changes Galileo wanted.

However, Galileo lived in the early days of the printing press, before many books were being printed, and the Bible was the major source of information. Who can blame him for wanting changes in the Bible to reflect his discoveries and inform the greater population. How could Galileo know that the day was rapidly approaching where many books focused solely on his work could be plentifully distributed and taught as well? Galileo, I think, would have appreciated the song, "I fought the law, and the law won." Even so, the Pope at that time did not acquit himself well.

In fact, the Church is all about freedom of thought and beliefs. The Church has ever been a patron and supporter of science, One of Galileo's favorite quotes was a line he borrowed from a librarian at the Vatican. It went like this: “The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go”.

Finally, a study the Lives of the Saints will show plenty of freedom of thought and belief. Plenty of our greatest Saints were in vehement disagreement with one another over a variety of beliefs and opinions.

The Church is NOT perfect, and nor are its people, priests, bishops, and popes. As such, absolutely a lot of dirt can be dug up and thrown at the entire structure. This is not such a bad thing as it keeps up the cleaning process.

Sorry the Church won't stay in the little cube its critics have built.

 

[kjw47]

The bible has already passed judgement.

Did you just justify your judging of others?

I shared what the bible teaches--its not my personal judgements--just facts.

A fact is something you can prove.

You erred itissomething God will prove to all. Most the hard way because they demand proof.

God isn't even a fact.

Many know he is a fact.

 

[Cecilie1200]

In New Orleans, the church tends to follow "that old time religion". She also had a daughter who wanted to get married, but not in her Parrish church, because she did not like the priest. She went to a neighboring Parrish, but he would not marry her unless her Parrish priest gave him written permission. Fortunately, she married a catholic. Otherwise, he would have had to go through months of indoctrination by the church. of course, I could watch all this with amusement, since I am an athiest, and married my catholic wife in a civil ceremony.

Oh, come on. I married an atheist who did not have to go through any (let alone months) of indoctrination. Oddly enough, back in her day, my grandmother also married an atheist and nor did my grandfather have to undergo any "indoctrination." (The marriages also took place in different states.) Granted, neither of us lived in New Orleans. Also, I was married in a parish outside the one in which I resided--without a single hoop to jump through or written permissions required.

OK. You win. The Catholic church is all about Freedom of thought and beliefs. Galileo must be proud! The Inquisition was just for show.

You DO know that the Inquisition was several centuries ago, right? Welcome to 2018.

 

[Vandalshandle]

OK. You win. The Catholic church is all about Freedom of thought and beliefs. Galileo must be proud! The Inquisition was just for show.

Shrug. I know more about the Inquisition than Catholic critics want known. There was one Inquisitor that is responsible for the majority of prosecutions. Might call this the rogue prosecutor, much like your priest in New Orleans. At the time Church and State worked together. It is no secret that people (outside that Spanish Inquisitor) preferred to be tried by the Church than tried by the State as the Church was known to be much more lenient and merciful. (Amazing what can be learned when looking at primary sourcing rather than third-hand chin-wag.)

Galileo was never in trouble with the Church because of his theory (which in his time could not yet actually be proven). Galileo got into trouble by absolutely insisting that the Bible passages be noted as wrong, and changed to reflect his discovery. The Pope and Galileo disagreed sharply over this, got into a pissing match which Galileo lost. I think today most people would agree that the Bible should be translated as written without the changes Galileo wanted.

However, Galileo lived in the early days of the printing press, before many books were being printed, and the Bible was the major source of information. Who can blame him for wanting changes in the Bible to reflect his discoveries and inform the greater population. How could Galileo know that the day was rapidly approaching where many books focused solely on his work could be plentifully distributed and taught as well? Galileo, I think, would have appreciated the song, "I fought the law, and the law won." Even so, the Pope at that time did not acquit himself well.

In fact, the Church is all about freedom of thought and beliefs. The Church has ever been a patron and supporter of science, One of Galileo's favorite quotes was a line he borrowed from a librarian at the Vatican. It went like this: “The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go”.

Finally, a study the Lives of the Saints will show plenty of freedom of thought and belief. Plenty of our greatest Saints were in vehement disagreement with one another over a variety of beliefs and opinions.

The Church is NOT perfect, and nor are its people, priests, bishops, and popes. As such, absolutely a lot of dirt can be dug up and thrown at the entire structure. This is not such a bad thing as it keeps up the cleaning process.

Sorry the Church won't stay in the little cube its critics have built.

Meri, your brain has not only been washed, it has been dry cleaned. Get back to me when the Catholics are allowed to fire their priest. No protestant would tolerate that situation. Also, the medieval relationship between the state and the church was quite simple. The church would find someone guilty of heresy, and the state would execute them. I hardly consider that "leniency" on the part of the church. Anyone who would leave their child with a priest without a chaperone is just plain nuts. I could go on, and on, but none of this is my problem. There is a reason why the Catholic Church is losing influence everywhere other than 3rd world countries. Mexico all but banned it, and it is difficult to find a Catholic in French speaking Canada anymore.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In New Orleans, the church tends to follow "that old time religion". She also had a daughter who wanted to get married, but not in her Parrish church, because she did not like the priest. She went to a neighboring Parrish, but he would not marry her unless her Parrish priest gave him written permission. Fortunately, she married a catholic. Otherwise, he would have had to go through months of indoctrination by the church. of course, I could watch all this with amusement, since I am an athiest, and married my catholic wife in a civil ceremony.

Oh, come on. I married an atheist who did not have to go through any (let alone months) of indoctrination. Oddly enough, back in her day, my grandmother also married an atheist and nor did my grandfather have to undergo any "indoctrination." (The marriages also took place in different states.) Granted, neither of us lived in New Orleans. Also, I was married in a parish outside the one in which I resided--without a single hoop to jump through or written permissions required.

OK. You win. The Catholic church is all about Freedom of thought and beliefs. Galileo must be proud! The Inquisition was just for show.

You DO know that the Inquisition was several centuries ago, right? Welcome to 2018.

True. it is the 21st century, where women are not forbidden occupations merely because they have vaginas, and only the pope, in all the world, is infallible.

 

[hobelim]

I was chatting with God the other day and he told me in no uncertain terms that if you wanted to see God even from a distance or to stand close enough to hear his words, you are going to have to learn some manners.

Your mind is full of crap. Thats why you are in such distress. Thats why you are in such despair. Thats why every degenerate comment you make is repulsive to others...and you wonder why when you look around you see nothing?

Is this really a surprise to you?

If you want to see God you will stop with all the games, purify and refine your own mind, and go back to the drawing board and humble yourself like a little child start from the beginning and ask an elder to explain to you the deep and mysterious meaning behind the talking donkeys in scripture.

So you hear another voice in your head? Why does that not surprise me?

So every time you try to say something clever all that comes out is hee haw.. Do you think that surprises me?

You're a very angry person, and feel the need to insult all the time, why is that?

I am not angry about anything...Its really hard not to notice the addled produce of your mind so generously put on full display by you.


If you don't want me to point out the stupid things you say, don't say stupid things..If you have noting intelligent to say, say nothing.

You feel insulted. You wouldn't if what I said did not apply.

See? You're doing it again. You're so full of hate that all you can do is insult. What is it that I say that brings out such childishness in you? If you don't want to discuss the subject, why come here in the first place? it's obvious that all you want to do is belittle others, presumably because it makes you feel better. And I'm supposed to think that you've found the ultimate truth about god? Um... no.

Alright Taz, let me break it down for you. I am actually doing you a favor. I am not belittling you, I am showing you how it actually is. For instance, you believe that incessantly asking about kangaroos is some sort of rational argument even when you are alerted to the deeper implications not to mention that scripture was never intended to be taken literally by the intelligent.

You might as well be asking for proof that puppets come to life after being given an assignment to read Pinocchio and discuss the story in a college class .

If you feel belittled believe me I do understand why, but I find absolutely no pleasure in that....