What would a socialist America look like?

What would a socialist America look like?

A battlefield with dead socialists everywhere.
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If you think Americans will sit still while socialists force the people into slavery to the government collective you don't know the American people. The few socialists that survive will flee for their lives.
Americans are complacent for the most part. You're no different in that regard.

There will be a few people connected and trained to carry out the mission. Of that I have no doubt. It has happened before.
 
But the majority of the population must work or the system fails.

Why do you think you get to be one who lives well without working?

And how long would you live off others before you went to work to give others a chance to enjoy the spoils of the system you espouse?
You simply don't understand the concepts.

Full employment of resources is what produces the efficiency gain for our economy.

I understand that the taxes come from those who work. So more people must work so that they can support themselves and you.

Or do you intend that some will work their entire lives so that others can refuse to work and still have a decent life?
Taxes are paid by simply circulating capital; only Capital must work under Capitalism. We have covered this, several times.

And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
 
Will starts from a false premise, which naturally leads to faulty conclusions. State ownership of the means of production is not the starting point of the social revolution, nor does it much factor into the socialist equation at any time. And government can never be fully dispensed with. The state and government are not synonymous in socialist parlance. Will is using them here interchangeably.

Which is completely irrelevant to his point. But thank you for sharing.
It is completely relevant to his point. Will is not describing a socialist society at all. He is describing an American society that is at an advanced stage of capitalism. If you think Trump is working for the betterment of society and not the betterment of the specific property owners who helped get him elected and who own your government, you're delusional.

Heh, yeah. You missed the point entirely. He's showing that many of Trump's policies would be considered socialist if a Democrat were behind them. It doesn't matter whether their definitions align with yours. The point is that they are being conned.
Consider Marx's words from The German Ideology.

Speaking of cons ...

Sorry, I've spent too much time slogging through Marx as it is. Better things to think about.
You people don't know what socialism is it all you think it is horrible and probably communism. Join the real world. "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ACA passed.
 
You simply don't understand the concepts.

Full employment of resources is what produces the efficiency gain for our economy.

I understand that the taxes come from those who work. So more people must work so that they can support themselves and you.

Or do you intend that some will work their entire lives so that others can refuse to work and still have a decent life?
Taxes are paid by simply circulating capital; only Capital must work under Capitalism. We have covered this, several times.

And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.
 
George Will nails it again. George F. Will: Would Socialist America Be Much Different?

tl;dr - A: About like it does now.

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What is socialism? And what might a socialist American government do?

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All socialists are equal in their hate and arrogance to conquered folks.
They have already killed more as 300m in Russia, China, East Europa, Cambodia, Cuba, Venezuela etc.
At first Socialist US Government abolishes private ownership, robe the folk, installs death punishment for Antisemitism and murders 50m Americans.
Like it did everywhere before.
In Cambodia, where leftist liberals killed 50% of population, in Russia ( more as 70m ) and in National-Socialist Germany ( the 'works' of leftist socialist Hitler are well-known )

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Who will punish all leftist liberal socialist democrats for their numerous crimes against humanity?
Their fr... utopia has been failed everywhere, liberals have already murdered more as 300m worldwide, but they are pushing
their imbecile idea over and over again.
Here is the true face of socialism and leftist paradise.
Vote for democrats if you are sick of life!


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All lefts - liberals - democrats are equal! They promise you pie in the sky, than, getting the power they rob and kill you!
 
Who will punish all leftist liberal socialist democrats for their numerous crimes against humanity?


Impressive! Did you read Will's article? Do you even know what you're responding to?
 
George Will nails it again. George F. Will: Would Socialist America Be Much Different?

tl;dr - A: About like it does now.

...

What is socialism? And what might a socialist American government do?

.”)


All socialists are equal in their hate and arrogance to conquered folks.

Looks like you missed the point of Will's article. Did you read it?

I read 1984.and the Animal farm
That's enough!
All things you shall know about socialism

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I understand that the taxes come from those who work. So more people must work so that they can support themselves and you.

Or do you intend that some will work their entire lives so that others can refuse to work and still have a decent life?
Taxes are paid by simply circulating capital; only Capital must work under Capitalism. We have covered this, several times.

And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
 
"we are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ACA was passed. Little did he know how the GOP would sabotage any reform that might hurt the greedy idiot Rich that run the party... Outside the bubble of GOP propaganda, socialism is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic. Maybe nationalize Healthcare or energy.... When the world discovered the USSR was a pure dictatorship with really no democracy, the definition of socialism moved on. Excepting half of Cold War dinosaur America...
 
Taxes are paid by simply circulating capital; only Capital must work under Capitalism. We have covered this, several times.

And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
Government must be socialism to the extent it requires the coercive use of force.
 
And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
Government must be socialism to the extent it requires the coercive use of force.
Yes civilization needs taxes and laws. Agreed upon...
 
"we are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ACA was passed. Little did he know how the GOP would sabotage any reform that might hurt the greedy idiot Rich that run the party... Outside the bubble of GOP propaganda, socialism is simply fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic. Maybe nationalize Healthcare or energy.... When the world discovered the USSR was a pure dictatorship with really no democracy, the definition of socialism moved on. Excepting half of Cold War dinosaur America...
We understand economics better. This is social-ism: Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.--The Federalist Number Two

The right wing is clueless and Causeless regarding social-ism and prove it with their irrelevant political jargon definitions from the McCarthy era.
 
And it is not just capital. There is work that must be performed. Why do you get to decide you don't want to work, but expect for your expenses to be covered by others who do work?

Also, do you expect a standard of living above subsistence? If you choose not to work, society can provide you with food & shelter. But if you want your own transportation, entertainment, vacations ect, you have to work.
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
Government must be socialism to the extent it requires the coercive use of force.

Oddly, you want the gov't to be socialist enough to provide you with an income without checking your need for it, and you specifically want it called "unemployment" instead of "welfare". But you don't want to work or even look for work.
 
Capitalism is about Voluntary social transactions; Socialism requires "force".
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
Government must be socialism to the extent it requires the coercive use of force.

Oddly, you want the gov't to be socialist enough to provide you with an income without checking your need for it, and you specifically want it called "unemployment" instead of "welfare". But you don't want to work or even look for work.
not true. that is just your misunderstanding. compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the objective. a solution to that economic phenomena. means testing would be for those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough.
 
So now socialism is communism again? "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister win ACA passed.
we don't have true capitalism because that requires voluntary social transactions not a social work ethic from the Age of Iron.

What are you trying to say?
Government must be socialism to the extent it requires the coercive use of force.

Oddly, you want the gov't to be socialist enough to provide you with an income without checking your need for it, and you specifically want it called "unemployment" instead of "welfare". But you don't want to work or even look for work.
not true. that is just your misunderstanding. compensation for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment is the objective. a solution to that economic phenomena. means testing would be for those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough.

You have said you don't want to work. YOu have said you want unemployment instead of welfare (which involves means testing). And you have said you do not want a time limit on unemployment benefits.

The natural state of employment can be handled by unemployment insurance first, and when that runs out welfare will take care of it.
 

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