What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

[JoeB131]

The found the Cities mention in the Good Book, and you need to read a little more.

They found no such thing....

 

[sealybobo]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

Because life isn’t so precious I think a woman who’s newly pregnant can’t get an abortion if she wants one.

We don’t need her to have the kid. She won’t do a good job raising the kid. And you don’t like programs that pay for those kids.

We need her to practice personal responsibility and killing something for convenience isn't responsible.

What about those that do have the kids. Why should taxpayers a woman told to butt out of her choice be forced by the government she says should stay out of her business when that happen? If what she does isn't my business, when she chooses something she can't afford, it isn't my responsibility.

If you aren’t willing to pay for the child they can’t afford abortion is better than starvation.

It’s because of your attitude I am so pro choice.

You're pro choice because you believe it's OK to be personally irresponsible for the results of a choice that produced the pregnancy.

Yes

 

[jknowgood]

Rome was a gay utopia. So was Sodom. We are screwed, but I'm going upward.

Again, Sodom didn't exist. Rome when it fell was a Christian State... part of the reason it fell was because the Christians were murdering each other over whether or not Jesus existed before he was born or not (The Arian Heresy)

You need to read more. Rome was a gay utopia. Yes sodom was real. Sorry when you realize I'm right

 

[Uncensored2008]

This really fucked up religion you follow, this Gaia worship bullshit, it requires human sacrifice, doesn't it? This fucked up god or goddess you worship wants or needs innocent souls, isn't that right? Only by spilling the blood of the innocent can you appease your weird deity.

I don't follow any religion, I was just asking if a religious country with limited freedoms can't make an abortion ban stick, why do you think this country would be able to.

I've still not had one of you tell me how an American abortion ban would work better than the Philippine one does.

Yeah, bullshit.

You follow some insane death cult that needs infant sacrifice.

 

[JoeB131]

So you agree with Obama that a baby is a burden?

I don't think he actually said that, but what I or Obama think is besides the point. Neither one of us has a uterus.

 

[JoeB131]

You need to read more. Rome was a gay utopia. Yes sodom was real. Sorry when you realize I'm right

Again, no, Rome really wasn't... and Sodom never existed.

And frankly, if your faith is so weak you have to threaten people with imaginary punishments, it's not much of a philosophy, is it?

 

[jknowgood]

In China one Kid and you are done, this was the case about 22 years ago. Now they are a little short on Kids, seems the males are not in the hurry to get married or have kids, and the females are in the same mind set. The have to import workers. Open Borders sounds like the answer.

China took an extreme policy towards an extreme situation... that they were overpopulated and needed to control their population growth. Ironically, because of one-child policies, there's an imbalance between males and females, so they have import women from other countries.

My answer to that question is NEITHER.

MY goal is to expose the facts and the truth that you and your ild are in denial of and are trying to hide.

If the truth results in fewer children being denied and aborted? That'sa bonus.

So you are going to avoid the question, then?

Son you're admitting that killing our own babies is bad?

 

[jknowgood]

So you agree with Obama that a baby is a burden?

I don't think he actually said that, but what I or Obama think is besides the point. Neither one of us has a uterus.

Lol, look it up. I'm so suprised what you really knew about him. Proves you voted for him, because he was black.

 

[jknowgood]

You need to read more. Rome was a gay utopia. Yes sodom was real. Sorry when you realize I'm right

Again, no, Rome really wasn't... and Sodom never existed.

And frankly, if your faith is so weak you have to threaten people with imaginary punishments, it's not much of a philosophy, is it?

Okay dokie, you keep thinking that way.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You see, this is why we need to keep you religious nutters out of power. We really dodged a bullet in 2012 when we kept your cult out of the White House.

So for the record, you are for executing women who have abortions, then?

Yes, I'll come out and say it.

Anyone who willingly takes part in the murder of an innocent child should be put to death.

My position is that murder is one of the most serious crimes that a human being can commit, and that it calls for the most serious punishment that a society can give.

Your position is that you want people to be able to commit murder with impunity, without any adverse consequences. You especially want to deny the protection of society's laws to the most innocent and vulnerable of all human beings. Yours is truly an evil, f•••ed-up position.

 

[Indeependent]

Thanks for being a proponent of irresponsible sexual intercourse.

Hey, real people have sex.
Real people make mistakes. They forget to take their pills, rubbers burst, whatever.

Some day, little boy, you'll have sex and realize this.

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

Because real life doesn't work that way. Again, the Filipinos are probably more religious than we are... and man, if you want to see folks with a work ethic, they put Americans to shame.

Yet despite all these conservative "virtues", they have 560,000 abortions a year. Per capita, that is more than the US has.

Now we can argue all day about how things SHOULD be. Frankly, I'd like to round up all the guns and put racist like you in mandetory sensitivity training. But the real world doesn't work like that.

We need to make laws for how the world is, not how we'd like it to be.

I forgot that you admire the less civilized members of the human race.

 

[Dragonlady]

Thanks for being a proponent of irresponsible sexual intercourse.

Hey, real people have sex.
Real people make mistakes. They forget to take their pills, rubbers burst, whatever.

Some day, little boy, you'll have sex and realize this.

There would be millions more accepting personal responsibility as the proper way to do things instead of killing for convenience. Why do you oppose that?

Because real life doesn't work that way. Again, the Filipinos are probably more religious than we are... and man, if you want to see folks with a work ethic, they put Americans to shame.

Yet despite all these conservative "virtues", they have 560,000 abortions a year. Per capita, that is more than the US has.

Now we can argue all day about how things SHOULD be. Frankly, I'd like to round up all the guns and put racist like you in mandetory sensitivity training. But the real world doesn't work like that.

We need to make laws for how the world is, not how we'd like it to be.

I forgot that you admire the less civilized members of the human race.

No, we don't. We have no fondess for assholes, racists or misogynists at all. That's why we have a huge problem with Trump and his supporters.

 

[Chuz Life]

In China one Kid and you are done, this was the case about 22 years ago. Now they are a little short on Kids, seems the males are not in the hurry to get married or have kids, and the females are in the same mind set. The have to import workers. Open Borders sounds like the answer.

China took an extreme policy towards an extreme situation... that they were overpopulated and needed to control their population growth. Ironically, because of one-child policies, there's an imbalance between males and females, so they have import women from other countries.

My answer to that question is NEITHER.

MY goal is to expose the facts and the truth that you and your ild are in denial of and are trying to hide.

If the truth results in fewer children being denied and aborted? That'sa bonus.

So you are going to avoid the question, then?

I answered your question.

The idea that it's either or is only in your tiny head.

 

[Dana7360]

I wasn't talking about punishing anyone for having sex.

I was talking about punishing murderous subhuman filth for killing innocent children in cold blood.

Anyone who willingly has part in an abortion is a murderer of the very worst sort, and fully deserves to be put to death.

You see, this is why we need to keep you religious nutters out of power. We really dodged a bullet in 2012 when we kept your cult out of the White House.

So for the record, you are for executing women who have abortions, then?

Wow how pro life of the person you're replying to.

They are so pro life they call human beings subhuman filth and wants to murder people for performing a completely legal medical procedure.

I wonder why that person doesn't feel the same way about the man who got that woman pregnant. She didn't get the way alone but no mention of the person who caused her to be pregnant.

I guess that person has no problem with the man going on to make other women pregnant and walking away from them. Causing more unplanned pregnancies and more abortions.

Interesting in this whole debate, no one mentions the man who made the woman pregnant. Yet the woman is subhuman filth and that person wants the subhuman filth to be murdered if it doesn't produce a child.

That poster is one sick and twisted human.

But a very good example of today's "pro life" conservatives.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What a load of bullshit. If the pro life people win, each state will make its own abortion laws, just as they did before the Roe v. Wade mutilation of our Constitution. Some states will allow abortions and some states won't, so if a woman who lived in a state that didn't allow abortions wanted one, she would have to take a bus to a state that did allow them, and if she didn't have the bus fare, pro abortion fanatics like yourself would be happy to buy her a bus ticket.

But here's the problem with that...

Poor women in red states wouldn't be able to get abortions, but wealthy women in red states could take a trip.

Does this seem fair to you? It would seem that if anyone should be compelled to have a baby, it should be the affluent person, who has the resources to take care of it.

That's not the case. Poor women in states that do not allow abortion can take a bus to a state that allows them. Even poor people can take sick days.

 

[Vastator]

So... Criminals, and murderers are dying in the Philippines... Is there a reason anyone should give a shit?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Sorry about that, but you get my point right?

Easy access to contraceptives????? WTF. Nothing is easier than preventing an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING!

sounds like someone who never has to worry about getting pregnant.

If men had to be responsible for birth control, the rate of unwanted pregnancies would spike. If they were responsible for having the babies, the birth rate would drop.

First off, abortion was never illegal in all of the US. The legality of it was decided state by state, and while most states, all but three, either didn't allow it or allowed it only in special cases, such as the mother's health or rape or incest, if the states were allowed to decide the issue today, many states, perhaps most states, would allow abortion on request at least for the first trimester, so telling horror stories about pre 1973 US does not speak to the issue today.

The real horror of pre-1973 was that the abortion laws were pretty much like the prostitution laws... they were on the books, broken with regularity and rarely prosecuted.

The purpose of Roe, the mostly Republican Panel thought, was to strike down these archaic laws, just as they had previously done with less controversy in Griswald v. Connecticut.

But then the Evangelical nuts needed an excuse to get asses into Pews, so Abortion became the worst thing ever.

Which is al,of course, irrelevant to today. Today enough states would allow abortion on demand at least in the first trimester so that no woman who wanted one would be unable to have one.

As fro Roe v. Wade, the Court pitted the claim of a right to privacy of a woman against the claim of a right to life of an unborn child, and argued that the woman had a constitutional right to privacy despite the fact it exists nowhere in the Constitution and denied the unborn baby had a right to life because it is not mentioned in the Constitution; clearly a political decision with no basis in law.

 

[Vastator]

You see, this is why we need to keep you religious nutters out of power. We really dodged a bullet in 2012 when we kept your cult out of the White House.

So for the record, you are for executing women who have abortions, then?

Yes, I'll come out and say it.

Anyone who willingly takes part in the murder of an innocent child should be put to death.

My position is that murder is one of the most serious crimes that a human being can commit, and that it calls for the most serious punishment that a society can give.

Your position is that you want people to be able to commit murder with impunity, without any adverse consequences. You especially want to deny the protection of society's laws to the most innocent and vulnerable of all human beings. Yours is truly an evil, f•••ed-up position.

Agreed. These defenseless victims deserve justice. So I don’t bother getting upset when some bitch limps off down an alley, after murdering someone, only to bleed out herself... I actually find it amusingly ironic. It doesn’t happen often enough in my opinion. Nor do I lose sleep when these abortion doctors get their tickets punched. Serial killers, the lot of them...

 

[Norman]

All their screaming about "infanticide" aside, do you ever wonder what our country would look like if the Anti-Choice fanatics got their way.

Well, thanks to the modern miracles of actually understanding there is a rest of the world out there, we have a real life example.

The Philippines, former American Colony, has exactly the kind of anti-choice laws you guys want.

How's that working out.. Well, let's review.

Unintended Pregnancy and Unsafe Abortion in the Philippines

• The Philippines abortion law is among the strictest in the world. Abortion is illegal under all circumstances and there are no explicit exceptions. Nonetheless, because of high levels of unintended pregnancy, abortion is common in the country. Projections that were based on the national abortion rate in 2000 (the most recent available) and that took into account population increase estimated that 560,000 abortions occurred in 2008 and 610,000 abortions took place in 2012.[2,8,9]

• About 1,000 Filipino women die each year from abortion complications, which contributes to the nation’s high maternal mortality rate. Projections that were based on data from 2000 indicate that 100,000 women were hospitalized for abortion complications in 2012; countless others suffered complications that went untreated.[4,9]

• The stigma surrounding abortion makes it difficult for women to seek postabortion care. Some women report feeling shamed and intimidated by health care workers and in some cases, women are not given pain relievers or anesthetics or are denied treatment all together. Others report being threatened that they would be turned over to the police.[5,8]

Ireland had abortion banned until recently.

The results? Highest birth rate in Europe.

Now they banned abortion. The result? They start replacing their own population with Africans.

Your comparison to a 3rd world country is laughably stupid - we all already knew that they are shitholes. That doesn't mean we should make our countries shitholes by importing them because we aren't having children.

Even though obviously JoeB as a communist supports all that, because in a 3rd world country even an idiot like himself can appear viable.

 

[JoeB131]

Son you're admitting that killing our own babies is bad?

Fetuses aren't babies...

What makes what China did bad was that there was no choice in the matter on the part of the woman. But again- extreme situation calling for an extreme measure.

Lol, look it up. I'm so suprised what you really knew about him. Proves you voted for him, because he was black.

Naw, I voted for him because he wasn't a fucked up Mormon. Speaking of which..

Yes, I'll come out and say it.

Anyone who willingly takes part in the murder of an innocent child should be put to death.

My position is that murder is one of the most serious crimes that a human being can commit, and that it calls for the most serious punishment that a society can give.

So essentially, you will put a poor girl to death for wanting to get rid of an unplanned pregnancy because your imaginary sky friend tells you that a kidney bean sized fetus has more rights than she does... Man that's all kinds of fucked up. We really dodged a bullet by defeating Romney, if this is the kind of fucked up thinking we have in your cult.

Your position is that you want people to be able to commit murder with impunity, without any adverse consequences. You especially want to deny the protection of society's laws to the most innocent and vulnerable of all human beings. Yours is truly an evil, f•••ed-up position.

No, my position is that such a law would be unworkable. I doubt you could find a jury of 12 sociopaths who are willing to put a girl to death for terminating a pregnancy, not even in Utah.

And I would be a lot more impressed with right wing concern with babies if they weren't constantly trying to yank food out of their mouths to give tax cuts to billionaires.