What's So Bad About Sharia Law?

[Shaam]

Storefront, someone else brought it up, yous must go there I do not. I've read it myself and also heard Jews say it on you tube. Hey become a Jew I don't care, just don't become a Zionist.

What's a "Zionist"?

 

[Shaam]

I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?[/QUOTE]

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race [/QUOTE]

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

 

[toastman]

Storefront, someone else brought it up, yous must go there I do not. I've read it myself and also heard Jews say it on you tube. Hey become a Jew I don't care, just don't become a Zionist.

What's a "Zionist"?

Penelope and the other pro Palestinians' definition of Zionism is completely different from the ACTUAL definition

 

[Penelope]

Storefront, someone else brought it up, yous must go there I do not. I've read it myself and also heard Jews say it on you tube. Hey become a Jew I don't care, just don't become a Zionist.

What's a "Zionist"?

Its the Political movement. Your in Canada, where my grandparents came from, I'm French Canadian , my grandparents came down from Canada to the UP, but if you live in the States, many Politicians , even if not Jewish, are Zionist. There is something that goes on with Israel and the US, one does not become a President here is not catering to the Jewish lobby, which is very powerful here. The Jewish people pretty much run the US, Federal Reserve Chairman for last 30 some years, 3 Jews in the Supreme Court, ACLU, Jewish President, ADL- Jewish Pres.
Been that way for decades, the Jews have pretty much run our country and influenced out gov since the beginnings of the 1900's. They use to call NY the New Jerusalem, and they have a parade there every year. The evangelical and fundamentalist Christian are gun hoe for the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, as they believe Jesus is coming once the Jews all assemble in Israel, some of the true Torah Jews will not return to Israel and refuse to enlist in the IDF as they say its not of God . Zionism is a Political movement to make the State of Israel Jewish,and many of our politicians seem to obey them for fear of man made retribution, not from God , if you get my drift. I have nothing personal against the state of Israel, but as long as they uncage the Pals and treat them decent, but that won't happen, It a bad thing over there. But this is my two cent on
it, there are a lot of fine people who practice Judaism I'm sure.

 

[Shaam]

Storefront, someone else brought it up, yous must go there I do not. I've read it myself and also heard Jews say it on you tube. Hey become a Jew I don't care, just don't become a Zionist.

What's a "Zionist"?

Its the Political movement. Your in Canada, where my grandparents came from, I'm French Canadian , my grandparents came down from Canada to the UP, but if you live in the States, many Politicians , even if not Jewish, are Zionist. There is something that goes on with Israel and the US, one does not become a President here is not catering to the Jewish lobby, which is very powerful here. The Jewish people pretty much run the US, Federal Reserve Chairman for last 30 some years, 3 Jews in the Supreme Court, ACLU, Jewish President, ADL- Jewish Pres.
Been that way for decades, the Jews have pretty much run our country and influenced out gov since the beginnings of the 1900's. They use to call NY the New Jerusalem, and they have a parade there every year. The evangelical and fundamentalist Christian are gun hoe for the state of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, as they believe Jesus is coming once the Jews all assemble in Israel, some of the true Torah Jews will not return to Israel and refuse to enlist in the IDF as they say its not of God . Zionism is a Political movement to make the State of Israel Jewish,and many of our politicians seem to obey them for fear of man made retribution, not from God , if you get my drift. I have nothing personal against the state of Israel, but as long as they uncage the Pals and treat them decent, but that won't happen, It a bad thing over there. But this is my two cent on
it, there are a lot of fine people who practice Judaism I'm sure.

I was just being facetious Penelope, I'm well aware of Zionism and its history.....

 

[Shaam]

Storefront, someone else brought it up, yous must go there I do not. I've read it myself and also heard Jews say it on you tube. Hey become a Jew I don't care, just don't become a Zionist.

What's a "Zionist"?

Penelope and the other pro Palestinians' definition of Zionism is completely different from the ACTUAL definition

A lot of people just use Zionist as a filler word for "Jew" so as to appear politically correct. Its especially true among Muslims in the west.

Ever heard of Zafar Bangash from Toronto? You should read/hear some of his material on Israel and "Zionists"- absolute and timeless comedy. Hahahah.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

What's so startling about that? Jews are indeed a racial group. Who is surprised by this?

 

[Yarddog]

Listening to Christians on the news trying to get Christian interpretations of religious laws into civil law (homosexuality, abortion, women's rights, etc.) I can't help but wonder why if they want that they'd oppose Sharia. Isn't Sharia religious law based on Islam, and isn't Islam almost entirely based on Judaism just like Christianity? You'd think if Christians want religious law in civil law they'd welcome Sharia law. If it's really about pleasing God, and not just seizing power for themselves, you'd think Christians would welcome anything that gets God's law into civil law. And Sharia stands a much better chance of doing that than Christianity.

doesnt work, Sharia needs to be seperate from US laws and you would have to have two legal systems. Under Sharia an honor killing might be acceptable.
I dont know how you can defend that crap,

 

[Shaam]

I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

What's so startling about that? Jews are indeed a racial group. Who is surprised by this?

I am, for one. Do Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Indian, Chinese, and Russian Jews all look similar?

 

[Rikurzhen]

I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

What's so startling about that? Jews are indeed a racial group. Who is surprised by this?

I am, for one. Do Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Indian, Chinese, and Russian Jews all look similar?

 

[Penelope]

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I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

What's so startling about that? Jews are indeed a racial group. Who is surprised by this?

I am, for one. Do Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Indian, Chinese, and Russian Jews all look similar?

I always thought Jew was a religion , but I found out differently well several years ago, I think many people still see it as a religion.

 

[Taz]

What's So Bad About Sharia Law?
Put a black sheet over yourself and go out in the desert sun for a while, then come home and get beaten by your husband because you objected to him selling your 9 year old daughter to a pedophile.

 

[irosie91]

Actually, muslims are also Noachides because they follow the 7 Laws. .......

no they don't ----they do not have a civilized court system

 

[irosie91]

oh thanks----now I remember----she went to live in his house at age six----
and the consummation was age nine-----according to her very own account---
somewhere there in the "book" sometimes when muslims say "it is not in the Koran----it really means ----its in the hadiths but not in the Koran--------not that I care.. For jews-----by Talmudic times ----consummation of a marriage was
not supposed to happen until the girl is at least 12.5--------for "godknowswhat"
reason -----not that I care------even in the USA---out in the hills ----girls sometimes marry at age 12--------or so. not that I care

12.5 years. really, I wonder how these Rabbis determined that? 12 is the no. of months so maybe it means some coming of age thing, and we'll give her 6 months to ripen, ya think.
So Muhammad wasn't too far off. Well Jews go by the Babylon Talmud more than the Torah as well.

Penelope-----you are clueless -------how did the USA politicians come up with 21
as the "age of majority" For jews the age of majority is considered to be
12.5 for girls and 13 for boys. In some states in the USA-----one cannot buy alcohol until age 21-----in some 18 Different states have different laws for
age of consent for marriage too. You have no idea what the torah is or the Talmud-------why constantly reveal the fact that you are stupid-?

The sentence ...".....jews go by the Babylon Talmud more the Torah ...." simply
proves that you read islamo Nazi shit propaganda. ----or maybe someone reads it to you or TELLS it to you. ---------the sentence is actually meaningless.

Really ask most jews and its the Talmud they went by, and that is what the Muslims based the Quran on as well. "Blessed be his name" all over the Talmud and Koran. The OT and NT, all wrote by men and their minds, and some of them like Ezekiel sound like they took some mushrooms or mighty strong wine which they loved. To teach any of it as if God himself said it is what is causing the world problems. And it started with the Torah, lying , incest, homosexuality , deception, killing and massacres, child sacrifice, animal sacrifice, racism, adultery, pologamy, Female SEX Slaves, slavery, surrogate pregnancy, first degree murder, stoning, must I go on?

A supposed Christian claiming that the OT and NT were written by "men and all their minds", while conveniently not saying a word about the Qu"ran?

You're a Muslim. Exposed. Back to the madrassah you go!

Of course the Quran is from the Babylon Talmud and NT stories. But God did not write it, not the God I believe in, but there were some very inspirational people who penned some verses and parables.

Penelope-------you never read the babyonian Talmud and you never read the Koran-----maybe you got told some stories from the NT ----assuming you went
to sunday school ----(a Christian thing)-----but other than that-----your evaluation of the Koran and Babylonian Talmud is absurd-----since you never read either. Why are you to intent on making a fool of yourself.. For the record----I read a few of the books of the Talmud, also ---the Koran and the OT and the NT-----I assure you------your statement is idiotic.

 

[PratchettFan]

Listening to Christians on the news trying to get Christian interpretations of religious laws into civil law (homosexuality, abortion, women's rights, etc.) I can't help but wonder why if they want that they'd oppose Sharia. Isn't Sharia religious law based on Islam, and isn't Islam almost entirely based on Judaism just like Christianity? You'd think if Christians want religious law in civil law they'd welcome Sharia law. If it's really about pleasing God, and not just seizing power for themselves, you'd think Christians would welcome anything that gets God's law into civil law. And Sharia stands a much better chance of doing that than Christianity.

I have no problem with Sharia law so long as it is voluntary, at least in this country. If enough people want to pass a law based upon Sharia, that is ok as well. So long as it falls within the Constitution.

Laws aren't voluntary I think is the point. Many religious laws are already in civil law, they're just not credited as having come from religious laws. Like murder and theft.

"Law" is a flexible word. There is Sharia Law, which is religious in nature and, in this country, applies only to those who wish to follow it. I am under no obligation to do so. That may mean I am not allowed to join a religious organization which obligates me to follow it, but I don't have to join. It is voluntary. If enough people can get some of that into the civil code, that is allowable within our system of government. So long as it does not violate the state or US Constitutions. People who believe in Sharia Law has as much right to a voice in our government as anyone else.

Then why call it a law?

Because that is what it is called. I didn't make up the term.

 

[irosie91]

Penelope-----you are clueless -------how did the USA politicians come up with 21
as the "age of majority" For jews the age of majority is considered to be
12.5 for girls and 13 for boys. In some states in the USA-----one cannot buy alcohol until age 21-----in some 18 Different states have different laws for
age of consent for marriage too. You have no idea what the torah is or the Talmud-------why constantly reveal the fact that you are stupid-?

The sentence ...".....jews go by the Babylon Talmud more the Torah ...." simply
proves that you read islamo Nazi shit propaganda. ----or maybe someone reads it to you or TELLS it to you. ---------the sentence is actually meaningless.

Really ask most jews and its the Talmud they went by, and that is what the Muslims based the Quran on as well. "Blessed be his name" all over the Talmud and Koran. The OT and NT, all wrote by men and their minds, and some of them like Ezekiel sound like they took some mushrooms or mighty strong wine which they loved. To teach any of it as if God himself said it is what is causing the world problems. And it started with the Torah, lying , incest, homosexuality , deception, killing and massacres, child sacrifice, animal sacrifice, racism, adultery, pologamy, Female SEX Slaves, slavery, surrogate pregnancy, first degree murder, stoning, must I go on?

A supposed Christian claiming that the OT and NT were written by "men and all their minds", while conveniently not saying a word about the Qu"ran?

You're a Muslim. Exposed. Back to the madrassah you go!

Of course the Quran is from the Babylon Talmud and NT stories. But God did not write it, not the God I believe in, but there were some very inspirational people who penned some verses and parables.

Why do you keep harping about the "Babylon Talmud"? You realize the Babylonian Talmud is only a subset of a compilation of oral dictations and textual writings?

Yes and that is what they did in Babylon, explained what the Torah said and expanded on it. Yes I realize that the non secular Jews of today only recognize their God, now is their God different than the Muslim God? or do the Muslims just have the wrong ideas about their God and view him differently or perhaps take him more seriously.

Penelope----quit while you can still be considered sane-------your "BABYLONIAN TALMUD" jibberish----is just that------jibberish------ ----I begin to wonder where
you picked up that phrase------is the "BABYLONIAN TALMUD"---the only Talmud?-----do you have any idea just what the Talmud is? Have you ever been in the same room in which a Volume of the Talmud was---THERE anywhere near you?

 

[irosie91]

A supposed Christian claiming that the OT and NT were written by "men and all their minds", while conveniently not saying a word about the Qu"ran?

You're a Muslim. Exposed. Back to the madrassah you go!

Of course the Quran is from the Babylon Talmud and NT stories. But God did not write it, not the God I believe in, but there were some very inspirational people who penned some verses and parables.

Why do you keep harping about the "Babylon Talmud"? You realize the Babylonian Talmud is only a subset of a compilation of oral dictations and textual writings?

Yes and that is what they did in Babylon, explained what the Torah said and expanded on it. Yes I realize that the non secular Jews of today only recognize their God, now is their God different than the Muslim God? or do the Muslims just have the wrong ideas about their God and view him differently or perhaps take him more seriously.

Err, yes. Observant Jews do not recognize Mohammed as a prophet, so how can they be believing in the same G-d as Muslims?

As for Muslims taking G-d "more seriously"- I'm afraid that massacring innocent people doesn't sanctify his name or glory, sorry.

now is their God different than the Muslim God? or do the Muslims just have the wrong ideas about their God and view him differently or perhaps take him more seriously.

Take him more seriously? What a joke.


The God of Mohammed is not the God of Abraham. The God of Abraham would never inspire a prophet to slaughter Christians and Jews who do not get down on all fours five times a day or acknowledge Mohammed who raped and abused his 9 year old bride.

We, whoever we is, do not all worship the same God neither is everybody the same inside.

Really, can we go through the OT and talk about what the Jews did, Lets start with the deception done on Isaac by Jacob and his lovely Mother. Lying, ADULTRY of women and God, Polygamy , concubines or known as female sex slaves , the rules for slavery, David's first degree murder, animal sacrifice, homosexuality , stoning, burning of humans. Abrahams willing to sacrifice his son, Isaac never did return down the mountain, who was that KIng J that said if I win this battle the first one who comes out to greet me I will sacrifice knowing full well it'd be his daughter, who then had to die a virgin , incest, racism, surrogate mothers, oh should I go on as I can.

The violence and iniquity in the Tanakh is descriptive, and it is a compilation of historical incidents which happened thousands of years ago when the Israelites turned away from HaShem- and were rightly punished for it.

The violent commands and exhortations in the Qu'ran are prescriptive and binding for Muslims for all periods of human history- from Mohammed and the Sahabah in Mecca in the 7th century to the Muslim Studentss Association at my university 7 seconds ago.

Why you can't grasp the difference between the two is bewildering.

I watch the Israel / Palestine crap going on for years, I am fully aware of what you do and also what the Jews did in prior before coming to Palestine. Since they say 80% of Israel Jews are secular and also the Zionist who began the movement in the late 1800's with the encouragement and help of a Catholic Priest who thought it was his duty to see the Jews return to Jerusalem for the return of Jesus, really he is the one whom you have to thank , as the secular Jews had no preference if Palestine or Argentina was chosen. They thought they'd get better reception from the Jews if Palestine was chosen, as see most of the wealthier Jews rather liked the city life . The Catholic Priest had connections and Palestine it was.

Penelope---you may have been watching crap for years----but with regard to the
"Israel/Palestine" situation----you are utterly clueless. You got the name of that Zionist who began some sort of movement and the name of the catholic priest
who helped him? check your islamo Nazi handbook for details------you know some secular jews who have a desire to go to argentina?-----the wealthier jews prefer city life?------who told you that?-----the town drunk? I am still curious about the name of that Catholic Priest----the one with the "connections"

 

[irosie91]

Really ask most jews and its the Talmud they went by, and that is what the Muslims based the Quran on as well. "Blessed be his name" all over the Talmud and Koran. The OT and NT, all wrote by men and their minds, and some of them like Ezekiel sound like they took some mushrooms or mighty strong wine which they loved. To teach any of it as if God himself said it is what is causing the world problems. And it started with the Torah, lying , incest, homosexuality , deception, killing and massacres, child sacrifice, animal sacrifice, racism, adultery, pologamy, Female SEX Slaves, slavery, surrogate pregnancy, first degree murder, stoning, must I go on?

A supposed Christian claiming that the OT and NT were written by "men and all their minds", while conveniently not saying a word about the Qu"ran?

You're a Muslim. Exposed. Back to the madrassah you go!

Of course the Quran is from the Babylon Talmud and NT stories. But God did not write it, not the God I believe in, but there were some very inspirational people who penned some verses and parables.

Why do you keep harping about the "Babylon Talmud"? You realize the Babylonian Talmud is only a subset of a compilation of oral dictations and textual writings?

Yes and that is what they did in Babylon, explained what the Torah said and expanded on it. Yes I realize that the non secular Jews of today only recognize their God, now is their God different than the Muslim God? or do the Muslims just have the wrong ideas about their God and view him differently or perhaps take him more seriously.

Err, yes. Observant Jews do not recognize Mohammed as a prophet, so how can they be believing in the same G-d as Muslims?

As for Muslims taking G-d "more seriously"- I'm afraid that massacring innocent people doesn't sanctify his name or glory, sorry.

Muslims told me the answer------since they are willing to kill and even send their own kids out to commit suicide for allah----it should be OBVIOUS that they take
allah very seriously

 

[skye]

That is wrong with Sharia Law....and that is nothing compared with othe atrocities of those Islamic savages!

It makes my stomach turn.

 

[Shaam]

I think PM Bibi would disagree with you about Jews being a race. Of course they , a mixed race, as Ezra talked a lot about intermarriage, but according to him a race, as see he is secular, and sees Judaism as a tradition, doesn't believe in God.

Who is Bibi as an authority on Judaism if he's "secular and doesn't believe in G-d" as you mentioned? LOL.

And where did he claim that Jews are a race, exactly?

See if your not a Race you don't need a state, I mean the French have France, the Germans , Germany, the Russians Russia, the Jews, Israel,
Some Jews do practice Judaism, anyone can, but it doesn't make them a Jew.
(Personally I don't care) I'm an American who is mainly French. Here is one place:

Benjamin Netanyahu, who has served as Israel's prime minister, frankly regards Jews as members of a racial group. Speaking to a gathering of nearly a thousand Jews in southern California, he said: "If Israel had not come into existence after World War II than [sic] I am certain the Jewish race wouldn't have survived." (Daily Pilot, Newport Beach/Costa Mesa, Feb. 28, 2000, front page)
The Israeli leader went on to exhort his audience: "I stand before you and say you must strengthen your commitment to Israel. You must become leaders and stand up as Jews. We must be proud of our past to be confident of our future." (Similarly forthright appeals by non-Jews to racial-ethnic pride are, of course, routinely condemned as "racist" or "neo-Nazi.")
Echoing Netanyahu, an influential Jewish community paper with a nationwide readership referred to Jews as a racial group. An editorial entitled "Some Other Race" in the March 17, 2000, issue of the New York weekly Forward urged readers to fill out the federal government census form. It goes on to suggest: "... On question eight [of the form, which asks about race], you might consider doing what more than one member of our redaktzia [editorial staff] has done: checking the box 'some other race' and writing in the word 'Jew'."
Jews A Religious Community a People or a Race

Wow. I actually had never seen that before. Thanks.

But on the flip side, I guess Bibi considers the hundreds to thousands of Bnai Menashe and Kaifeng Jews- mongoloid resembling Jewish communities from NE India/China respectively who apparently have genealogy tracing back to the lost tribes- as part of the Jewish "race", given his Likud administration has sponsored their Aaliyah over the last few years. LOL.

What's so startling about that? Jews are indeed a racial group. Who is surprised by this?

I am, for one. Do Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Ethiopian, Indian, Chinese, and Russian Jews all look similar?

Agreed- but if Jews viewed themselves as a race then how could they accept converts?

Based on all of the research and rabbinical positions I've read, Jews are a nation and ethnoreligious community.