Zone1 When do you feel the 2nd Coming of Christ will be?

[onefour1]

The Apostle Peter taught that 1 day with the Lord is as 1000 years.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The creation of this earth took 7 days according to the Lord's reckoning of time. That would be 7000 years according to our current time. After the creation, Adam fell and entered into his mortal probation. At that time the earth entered a temporal state. According to the Prophet Joseph Smith, the earth's temporal state will last another 7 days according to God and 7000 years according our time. Those 7 days of the Lord's time are the 7 seals of Revelation.

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

So according to these verses, LDS believe that the temporal existence of the earth is 7000 years. So from the time of the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ there will have been a total of 7000 years. The last 1000 years will be the millennial reign of Christ or in other words, a sabbath. Christ's second coming will come after the opening of the 7th seal. Revelation 5-22 speaks of this book of seven seals. Chapter 5 speaks of the book itself that John sees. Chapter 6 speaks of the first 6 seals or 6000 years. Chapter 7 speaks of the sixth seal as well. Chapter 8 on speaks of the seventh seal in which the seconding coming of Christ takes place, His millennial reign and the end of the world's temporal existence. Chapters 12 and 13 goes back and speaks of the Great Apostasy and the war in heaven which gives perspective of the devil and his angels.

Given this information, it is my personal belief that we are approaching the end of the sixth seal and soon the enter the seventh seal. Others believe that we have already entered the seventh seal.

 

[Clyde 154]

The Apostle Peter taught that 1 day with the Lord is as 1000 years.

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The creation of this earth took 7 days according to the Lord's reckoning of time. That would be 7000 years according to our current time. After the creation, Adam fell and entered into his mortal probation. At that time the earth entered a temporal state. According to the Prophet Joseph Smith, the earth's temporal state will last another 7 days according to God and 7000 years according our time. Those 7 days of the Lord's time are the 7 seals of Revelation.

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.
7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed? A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

So according to these verses, LDS believe that the temporal existence of the earth is 7000 years. So from the time of the fall of Adam and Eve until the end of the Millennial reign of Jesus Christ there will have been a total of 7000 years. The last 1000 years will be the millennial reign of Christ or in other words, a sabbath. Christ's second coming will come after the opening of the 7th seal. Revelation 5-22 speaks of this book of seven seals. Chapter 5 speaks of the book itself that John sees. Chapter 6 speaks of the first 6 seals or 6000 years. Chapter 7 speaks of the sixth seal as well. Chapter 8 on speaks of the seventh seal in which the seconding coming of Christ takes place, His millennial reign and the end of the world's temporal existence. Chapters 12 and 13 goes back and speaks of the Great Apostasy and the war in heaven which gives perspective of the devil and his angels.

Given this information, it is my personal belief that we are approaching the end of the sixth seal and soon the enter the seventh seal. Others believe that we have already entered the seventh seal.

Peter instructed a 1000 days in "SYMBOLISM"...........not "LITERALISM". Read the passages in context. There will be no reign of Jesus except that which has existed since His ascension to Heaven to sit on the right hand of God on the throne of David. Jesus has been and continues to sit on His throne for well over 2000 years now.........Spiritually not physically anywhere on earth.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem or anywhere else on earth on David's throne (as He does, spiritually now sit in heaven at the right hand of the Father according to Acts 2)........why? Because God Himself placed a curse on the physical line of "Jeconiah" who was so evil that God made a vow that none of His descendants would ever sit on the throne of king David (Jer. 22:24-40).

Jesus legal lineage goes directly through that evil King Jecohiah (Luke 1:32-33)


Thus........your cult has made the Words of God.......into a lie if you would have everyone assume there will be a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

Wondering when others think the 2nd coming of Christ will be. Let me know your thoughts.

I tried to but someone deleted it. Oh, it may have been that picture of Biden impersonating Hitler. I don't know why since we know that 666 will make their self known as a great "Christ" like figure for the world that will save the world and Biden is doing so while destroying those values found in democracy and freedom of speech, religion and a free press. So, the 2nd Coming is close at hand. We must prepare by aligning ourselves with Christ for His return by keeping the commandments.

 

[onefour1]

Peter instructed a 1000 days in "SYMBOLISM"...........not "LITERALISM". Read the passages in context. There will be no reign of Jesus except that which has existed since His ascension to Heaven to sit on the right hand of God on the throne of David. Jesus has been and continues to sit on His throne for well over 2000 years now.........Spiritually not physically anywhere on earth.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem or anywhere else on earth on David's throne (as He does, spiritually now sit in heaven at the right hand of the Father according to Acts 2)........why? Because God Himself placed a curse on the physical line of "Jeconiah" who was so evil that God made a vow that none of His descendants would ever sit on the throne of king David (Jer. 22:24-40).

Jesus legal lineage goes directly through that evil King Jecohiah (Luke 1:32-33)


Thus........your cult has made the Words of God.......into a lie if you would have everyone assume there will be a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth.

The passage is in context. You are the one making up symbolism.

Peter instructed a 1000 days in "SYMBOLISM"...........not "LITERALISM". Read the passages in context. There will be no reign of Jesus except that which has existed since His ascension to Heaven to sit on the right hand of God on the throne of David. Jesus has been and continues to sit on His throne for well over 2000 years now.........Spiritually not physically anywhere on earth.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem or anywhere else on earth on David's throne (as He does, spiritually now sit in heaven at the right hand of the Father according to Acts 2)........why? Because God Himself placed a curse on the physical line of "Jeconiah" who was so evil that God made a vow that none of His descendants would ever sit on the throne of king David (Jer. 22:24-40).

Jesus legal lineage goes directly through that evil King Jecohiah (Luke 1:32-33)


Thus........your cult has made the Words of God.......into a lie if you would have everyone assume there will be a literal 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth.

Luke 1:32-33
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

No mention of Jeconiah in these verses. Also Jesus will be given the throne of David by the Lord God.

Here is Jeremiah 22:24-30 (does not have 40 verses as you indicated)

Jeremiah 22:24-30
24 As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;
25 And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
26 And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die.
27 But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return.
28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.
30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

No mention of Jeconiah. Jeconiah must be Coniah? I take this verse to mean Jeconiah's direct seed. In other words, none of his sons or daughters. Jeconiah was carried off into Babylon.

Jeremiah 24:1
1 The Lord shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the Lord, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

Jeremiah 29:2
2 (After that Jeconiah the king, and the queen, and the eunuchs, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, and the carpenters, and the smiths, were departed from Jerusalem

So Jeconiah's seed (his children) did not sit on the throne of David and prosper nor did they rule in Jerusalem.

As another note, the genealogy in Matthew 1 is traditionally believed to be that of Joseph which does have Jeconias listed, but the genealogy in Luke 3 is believed to be Mary's even though both refer to Joseph the husband of Mary. The reason is that both genealogies differ quite a bit. Luke's genealogy, believed to be that of Mary, does not mention Jeconiah or Jeconias.

Luke 3:23-38
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Jesus wasn't a descendent of Joseph but of God the Eternal Father in Heaven and Mary.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Wondering when others think the 2nd coming of Christ will be. Let me know your thoughts.

When I'm not suspended for 4 consecutive months

 

[fncceo]

Still waiting for the first.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Wondering when others think the 2nd coming of Christ will be. Let me know your thoughts.

Until we can actually find his actual physical remains and then any viable DNA to create him, never.

 

[Clyde 154]

The passage is in context. You are the one making up symbolism.

Luke 1:32-33
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

No mention of Jeconiah in these verses. Also Jesus will be given the throne of David by the Lord God.

Here is Jeremiah 22:24-30 (does not have 40 verses as you indicated)

Jeremiah 22:24-30
24 As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence;
25 And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand of them whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans.
26 And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die.
27 But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return.
28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?
29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.
30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

No mention of Jeconiah. Jeconiah must be Coniah? I take this verse to mean Jeconiah's direct seed. In other words, none of his sons or daughters. Jeconiah was carried off into Babylon.

Jeremiah 24:1
1 The Lord shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the Lord, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

Jeremiah 29:2
2 (After that Jeconiah the king, and the queen, and the eunuchs, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, and the carpenters, and the smiths, were departed from Jerusalem

So Jeconiah's seed (his children) did not sit on the throne of David and prosper nor did they rule in Jerusalem.

As another note, the genealogy in Matthew 1 is traditionally believed to be that of Joseph which does have Jeconias listed, but the genealogy in Luke 3 is believed to be Mary's even though both refer to Joseph the husband of Mary. The reason is that both genealogies differ quite a bit. Luke's genealogy, believed to be that of Mary, does not mention Jeconiah or Jeconias.

Luke 3:23-38
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Jesus wasn't a descendent of Joseph but of God the Eternal Father in Heaven and Mary.Y

Yeah............God lied to the prophet Jeremiah.........and the Holy Spirit often contradicts Himself from one passage of scripture to another. That's the way it has to be in order to make your man made doctrine fit your square peg into a nice round hole.

Allow Christ Jesus explain your false representation of symoblic text and tell you directly just where His Kingdom exists........... The entire book of Revelation is based upon Symbolism not Literalism (Rev. 1:1). Yet you insist that a 1000 year symbolism be taken literally to the point that the Holy Spirit contradicted Himself in other parts of the Holy Bible when ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God? (2 Tim. 3:16) Reality: Jesus Christ has been sitting on His throne, the throne of David for more that a 1000 years (over 2000 years).... Read Acts 2...........Jesus ascended into Heaven and is now sitting on David's throne at the right hand of His Father (God) and has been since His birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension.....

The blind will never find the Kingdom of God.

"Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. If My Kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I might not be delivered to the Jews....but now My Kingdom is not from here (earth)......." -- John 18:36-37

You look in the wrong place for the Kingdom of God, you will never find it where it does not exist, "The Kingdom of God cometh not with OBSERVATION; Neither shall they say, Lo Here!, or Lo There!, FOR BEHOLD THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU........." (Luke 17:20-21) , its a spiritual kingdom not of this earth as declared by Christ Jesus Himself

If you study the Bible in order to be approved of God (2 Tim. 2:15).........and you attempt to declare that one scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit of God contradicts another portion of scripture inspired by the same Holy Spirit of God......then you are not......"Rightly Dividiing the Word of Truth."

That truth? When the Christ returns......it will not be to sit on some imagined physical throne here on earth........The Christ will return to Judge, and at that point there will be no physical reign of Christ here or in heaven........the Kingdom is turned back to the Father from which the authority came in the first place..........

"For as in Adam (the first man) all die; even so in Christ all shall be made alive; But every man in his own order; Christ the first fruits, afterwords they that are Christ's at His coming (2nd coming). Then cometh the end (the end, not a beginning of some imagined 1000 year reign) when He (Jesus) shall have delivered up His Kingdom to God; even the Father; when He (Christ) shall put down all rule and authority and power. He (Jesus) must reign (implying that Jesus was reigning at the time of this writing) until He has put all enemies under His feet......" -- 1 Cor. 15:22-25

You would have everyone beleive that Jesus will return a 2nd and a 3rd time?

 

[BreezeWood]

Still waiting for the first.

that was noah - only one remaining, the parables conclusion ... what are the jews waiting for - moses.

 

[onefour1]

Yeah............God lied to the prophet Jeremiah.........and the Holy Spirit often contradicts Himself from one passage of scripture to another. That's the way it has to be in order to make your man made doctrine fit your square peg into a nice round hole.

Allow Christ Jesus explain your false representation of symoblic text and tell you directly just where His Kingdom exists........... The entire book of Revelation is based upon Symbolism not Literalism (Rev. 1:1). Yet you insist that a 1000 year symbolism be taken literally to the point that the Holy Spirit contradicted Himself in other parts of the Holy Bible when ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired of God? (2 Tim. 3:16) Reality: Jesus Christ has been sitting on His throne, the throne of David for more that a 1000 years (over 2000 years).... Read Acts 2...........Jesus ascended into Heaven and is now sitting on David's throne at the right hand of His Father (God) and has been since His birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension.....

The blind will never find the Kingdom of God.

"Jesus answered, MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. If My Kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I might not be delivered to the Jews....but now My Kingdom is not from here (earth)......." -- John 18:36-37

You look in the wrong place for the Kingdom of God, you will never find it where it does not exist, "The Kingdom of God cometh not with OBSERVATION; Neither shall they say, Lo Here!, or Lo There!, FOR BEHOLD THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU........." (Luke 17:20-21) , its a spiritual kingdom not of this earth as declared by Christ Jesus Himself

If you study the Bible in order to be approved of God (2 Tim. 2:15).........and you attempt to declare that one scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit of God contradicts another portion of scripture inspired by the same Holy Spirit of God......then you are not......"Rightly Dividiing the Word of Truth."

That truth? When the Christ returns......it will not be to sit on some imagined physical throne here on earth........The Christ will return to Judge, and at that point there will be no physical reign of Christ here or in heaven........the Kingdom is turned back to the Father from which the authority came in the first place..........

"For as in Adam (the first man) all die; even so in Christ all shall be made alive; But every man in his own order; Christ the first fruits, afterwords they that are Christ's at His coming (2nd coming). Then cometh the end (the end, not a beginning of some imagined 1000 year reign) when He (Jesus) shall have delivered up His Kingdom to God; even the Father; when He (Christ) shall put down all rule and authority and power. He (Jesus) must reign (implying that Jesus was reigning at the time of this writing) until He has put all enemies under His feet......" -- 1 Cor. 15:22-25

You would have everyone beleive that Jesus will return a 2nd and a 3rd time?

Zechariah 14:4
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Here we see that Jesus will literally come and set his feet down and stand upon the Mount of Olives and it shall cleave in half toward the north and toward the south. This is not spiritual but a literal coming of the Lord to the earth again.

Zechariah 14:16-17
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Why would they who came against Jerusalem need to go up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, if it is only spiritual? No! He will be in Jerusalem and the people will be required to go up from year to year to worship the Lord Jesus after he returns at his second coming.

Zechariah 2:10-11
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Isaiah 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Why mention that he will reign in mount Zion and in Jerusalem if he is really reigning over all the earth from heaven. Maybe it is because he will literally be in those places as he dwells in our midst and reigns in mount Zion and in Jerusalem.

When Christ come the some ask him the following and he will give his answer:

Zechariah 13:6
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

In Latter-day revelations regarding this we have the follow verses:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:49-52
49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly.
50 And calamity shall cover the mocker, and the scorner shall be consumed; and they that have watched for iniquity shall be hewn down and cast into the fire.
51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?
52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.

So, No I think you are gravely mistaken to think that Christ will not return physically upon the earth and dwell among us and reign from mount Zion and Jerusalem. He will reign upon the earth for a thousand years.

 

[Clyde 154]

Zechariah 14:4
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Here we see that Jesus will literally come and set his feet down and stand upon the Mount of Olives and it shall cleave in half toward the north and toward the south. This is not spiritual but a literal coming of the Lord to the earth again.

Zechariah 14:16-17
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Why would they who came against Jerusalem need to go up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, if it is only spiritual? No! He will be in Jerusalem and the people will be required to go up from year to year to worship the Lord Jesus after he returns at his second coming.

Zechariah 2:10-11
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Isaiah 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Why mention that he will reign in mount Zion and in Jerusalem if he is really reigning over all the earth from heaven. Maybe it is because he will literally be in those places as he dwells in our midst and reigns in mount Zion and in Jerusalem.

When Christ come the some ask him the following and he will give his answer:

Zechariah 13:6
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

In Latter-day revelations regarding this we have the follow verses:

Doctrine and Covenants 45:49-52
49 And the Lord shall utter his voice, and all the ends of the earth shall hear it; and the nations of the earth shall mourn, and they that have laughed shall see their folly.
50 And calamity shall cover the mocker, and the scorner shall be consumed; and they that have watched for iniquity shall be hewn down and cast into the fire.
51 And then shall the Jews look upon me and say: What are these wounds in thine hands and in thy feet?
52 Then shall they know that I am the Lord; for I will say unto them: These wounds are the wounds with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. I am he who was lifted up. I am Jesus that was crucified. I am the Son of God.

So, No I think you are gravely mistaken to think that Christ will not return physically upon the earth and dwell among us and reign from mount Zion and Jerusalem. He will reign upon the earth for a thousand years.

Again........simply because you "cherry pick" passages taken away from their entire contexual integrity does not make ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE contradict another, "IF".............you are rightly dividing the word of truth. This is why YOUR CULT must declare the Holy Bible as being "flawed".

Truth must be established by declaring the entire word of God, half truths make entire lies. Logic dictates that we can know the truth with certainty BECAUSE ITS DENIAL IS ALWAYS "CONTRADICTORY" God is the God of Truth (Isa. 65:16) "in context"......truth never contradicts itself.

God cannot lie, He always acts on and speaks TRUTH (1 Sam. 15:29, Heb. 6:18).........yet you would suggest that God does lie when you deny the Prophecy of Jeremiah and the Curse placed upon the legal lineage of Jesus Christ that states that God would never allow any such descendent to occupy the throne of David.....physically. (Jeremiah 22:24-30) reveals this prophecy concerning the throne of David.......while the Gospels of Luke and Matthew......use 2 lines of heritage......One from Joseph (Matthew 1) and one from Mary (Luke) proves that Jesus' legal lineage goes through the Cursed King's Lineage (Matthew 1:11) Jechonaih is also known as Coniah


There is only ONE METHOD that does not contradict another when we address your passages of scripture for truth.........in order to stop the scriptures from contradicting other scriptures..........the only method that Jesus could possibly sit on the throne of David as revealed in both prophecy and literal scripture......would be for Jesus to be the King of a Spiritual Kingdom, not a physical kingdom. This is the truth revealed when THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD is considered and rightly divided.

This is exactly what happened as revealed in the Acts of the Apostles Chapter 2..........Jesus took His place as prophesied on the throne of David..........in Heaven at the right hand of the Father (not on earth) and did this over 2000 years ago. Its just as Jesus stated, "My kingdom is not of this world, is not from here (earth)" -- John 18:36

The prophets of God declared it...........Jesus stated it in no ambiguous terms.......the Apostles of Christ confirmed it........Jesus has been sitting on the throne of David (a spiritual Jerusalem/Kingdom) since His ascension.

What more do you need?

 

[ninja007]

The Rapture vs. The Second Coming :: by Kent Crockett​

The Rapture and the 2nd Coming of Christ are not the same events. The Rapture is when Jesus comes in the air for His Church, but His feet will not touch earth. The 2nd Coming is when Jesus comes back to earth and His feet stand on the Mount of Olives.
In the Old Testament, there were 2 different pictures painted of the Messiah—one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these Scriptures, we see they predicted 2 separate comings of the Messiah—the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have 2 pictures painted, and they don’t look the same. These 2 different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call “The Rapture” and “The Second Coming.”
Listed below are 15 differences between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming.

	Rapture		Second Coming
1	Jesus coming FOR His Church. John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17	1	Jesus coming WITH His Church Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14
2	Caught up with Him in the air 1 Thess 4:13-18	2	Jesus’ feet touch the earth Zech 14:4, Rev11-21
3	Christians taken first, unbelievers are left behind. 1 Thess 4:13-18	3	Wicked are taken first, the righteous (Tribulation saints) are left behind.Matt 13:28-30
4	Purpose: To present the Church to Himself and to the Father 2 Cor 11:2, Rev. 19:6-9	4	Purpose: To execute judgment on earth and set up His Kingdom Jude 14-15,Rev 19:11-21, Zech 14:3-4
5	MARRIAGE: Marriage of Lamb in heaven after the Rapture	5	WAR: Marriage is followed by war on earth at the 2nd coming
6	Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) 1 Cor 15:52	6	Slow coming, people will see Him come back.Zech 12:10 Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7
7	Only Christians will see Him 1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52	7	Every eye will see Him Rev. 1:7
8	Jesus descends with a shout(for resurrection) 1 Thess 4:16	8	No shout mentioned Rev. 19:11-21
9	A resurrection takes place 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54	9	No resurrection mentioned Rev 1:7, 19:11-21, Zech 12:10, 14:4-5
10	Can happen at any time Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6	10	Occurs at end of 7 years of Tribulation Dan 9:24-27Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8
11	No angels are sent to gather (resurrected people don’t need angels to help them)	11	Angels sent forth to gather people together for judgment Matt 13:39, 41, 49, 24:31, 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10
12	Spirits of those dead in Christ return with Jesus to receive their their resurrected bodies 1 Thess 4:14-16	12	Christians return with Jesus in already resurrected bodies riding on white horses. Rev 19:11-21
13	Jesus does not return on a white horse	13	Jesus returns on a white horse Rev 19:11
14	For the Church only (those in Christ) 1 Thess 4:14-17	14	For redeemed Israel & Gentiles Rom 11:25-27, Matt 25:31-46
15	A message of hope and comfort 1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3	15	A message of judgment Joel 3:12-16, Rev 19:11-21, Mal 4:5

 

[onefour1]

Again........simply because you "cherry pick" passages taken away from their entire contexual integrity does not make ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE contradict another, "IF".............you are rightly dividing the word of truth. This is why YOUR CULT must declare the Holy Bible as being "flawed".

Truth must be established by declaring the entire word of God, half truths make entire lies. Logic dictates that we can know the truth with certainty BECAUSE ITS DENIAL IS ALWAYS "CONTRADICTORY" God is the God of Truth (Isa. 65:16) "in context"......truth never contradicts itself.

God cannot lie, He always acts on and speaks TRUTH (1 Sam. 15:29, Heb. 6:18).........yet you would suggest that God does lie when you deny the Prophecy of Jeremiah and the Curse placed upon the legal lineage of Jesus Christ that states that God would never allow any such descendent to occupy the throne of David.....physically. (Jeremiah 22:24-30) reveals this prophecy concerning the throne of David.......while the Gospels of Luke and Matthew......use 2 lines of heritage......One from Joseph (Matthew 1) and one from Mary (Luke) proves that Jesus' legal lineage goes through the Cursed King's Lineage (Matthew 1:11) Jechonaih is also known as Coniah


There is only ONE METHOD that does not contradict another when we address your passages of scripture for truth.........in order to stop the scriptures from contradicting other scriptures..........the only method that Jesus could possibly sit on the throne of David as revealed in both prophecy and literal scripture......would be for Jesus to be the King of a Spiritual Kingdom, not a physical kingdom. This is the truth revealed when THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD is considered and rightly divided.

This is exactly what happened as revealed in the Acts of the Apostles Chapter 2..........Jesus took His place as prophesied on the throne of David..........in Heaven at the right hand of the Father (not on earth) and did this over 2000 years ago. Its just as Jesus stated, "My kingdom is not of this world, is not from here (earth)" -- John 18:36

The prophets of God declared it...........Jesus stated it in no ambiguous terms.......the Apostles of Christ confirmed it........Jesus has been sitting on the throne of David (a spiritual Jerusalem/Kingdom) since His ascension.

What more do you need?

Jesus taught us to pray the following prayer:

Matthew 6:9-13
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

He taught us to pray, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven." He taught us to pray this because His kingdom was not of the earth at the time He served here on the earth in the 1st century. However, he teaches us to make this prayer because when he comes again in all his glory at the second coming he will destroy the wicked and usher in peace for His millennial reign. Once His millennial reign has ended he will destroy Satan and his minions and this earth will become a celestial kingdom of God. This will be when the meek will inherit the earth. Did Jesus have us pray in vein?

Revelation 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The seventh angel will sound his trump at the beginning of Christ's millennial reign on earth and from that time forth this earth will become part of the kingdom of God and Christ will reign over it forever and ever.

Zechariah 14:9
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

Luke 1:32
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Acts 2:29-30
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

 

[rightwinger]

Christ comes back, he is probably not going to be white, may be a woman and will probably be in Asia.

No way American Christians would accept her

What if Jesus comes back as a Homosexual?

 

[surada]

The Bible says Jesus will come gain, but the second time ready for war. The nations are supposed to be gathered to fight against Jerusalem called the battle of Armageddon.

The world and more would know.

"Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords." Revelation 19:11-16

It's a spiritual battle. The sword in his mouth is the word of God. The temple was destroyed at the time of the grape harvest.

 

[Grumblenuts]

So you think Miller had all the truth?

You miss the point. Miller was just the first to publish and longest running. Many others have had the same idea and have also published since. Now there's you.. proposing doing much the same..

 

[Meriweather]

What if Jesus comes back as a Homosexual?

Are you imagining that Jesus will return to earth with sex being his paramount thesis?

 

[rightwinger]

Are you imagining that Jesus will return to earth with sex being his paramount thesis?

Why does Jesus need to be a male?

What if God decides that homosexuality is not that big a deal and makes the second coming a homosexual or transexual?

 

[Meriweather]

What if God decides that homosexuality is not that big a deal and makes the second coming a homosexual or transexual?

Then you do believe the most important conversation Jesus can have with us is about sex? Nothing you see in human life is more important than sexual choices?

 

[Meriweather]

Why does Jesus need to be a male?

You think Jesus should join in the chorus that being male is shameful and substandard?