When Liberals Control Education....

They use red ink where my kid goes to school...fail that was a story about the UK, but this is clearly not the UK, but the USA.......The liberals do not control all public schools and not all schools are unionized.....

Your implication is that Unionized schools or so called "LIBERAL" controlled public schools are guilty of the listed crap. Anybody can find and list any number of "Hair On Fire" reports about silliness in any field, including education. To think the listed things are any way generally accepted and encouraged is just false.



Actually, it is your post that is "just false."

Stay tuned to this thread.


So you actually think teachers are banned from putting desks in a row...... math is no longer taught, but students are just issued calculators instead, ......and red ink is no longer used in schools? And furthermore, that "liberal" and "unionized teachers" are the reason that our country's schools are all required to follow these rules? Ridiculous.




No, you dope.....because communism is the impetus in government school today, rather than real education.


And what would one expect to be taught at Columbia, and other teacher's colleges that were under the influence of the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School?

Yup!


7. "At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.


This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.




8. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies."
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009



It's all about 'social justice' rather than about academics.

And the only way to avoid it in America today is private school, or homeschool.
 
If you could or ever would notice, it is business that demands public education meet their needs...and private education follows the money also...
 
Should we be surprised that a poster who only last week was trying to....um....revise the meaning of the word 'fascism' is today complaining about liberal education?

Let me know when liberals start lying about what political terms mean, P. Chic.
 


So true!

1. In the light of the essential nature of emotion to the Left, where feeling is more important than knowing, it makes perfect sense that they have created the (highly destructive) self-esteem movement, based on how one feels about oneself. Of course, it is always quite a high number for Leftists, convinced that they are brighter, kinder, finer, more sophisticated, more enlightened, more selfless, and, of course, more intellectual.

a. “A 1989 study of mathematical skills compared students in eight different countries. American students ranked lowest in mathematical competence and Korean students ranked highest. But the researchers also asked students to rate how good they were at mathematics. The Americans ranked highest in self-judged mathematical ability, while the Koreans ranked lowest….There is no evidence that high self-esteem reliably causes anything.” The Problem with Self-Esteem



2. In fact, feeling good is so central to Liberalism, that it is a higher value than truth. The Left has changed American school textbooks from books attempting to convey history to books attempting to make women and members of select minorities feel good about themselves. Democrat lawmakers pass laws demanding that textbooks be rewritten to include more Democrat Party blocs. California Gay Textbooks Proposal Would Require LGBT Lessons In Schools

a. “'History should be honest,' Gov. Jerry Brown says in signing the state law, which had sparked hot debate among legislators.....making California the first state to require that school textbooks and history lessons include the contributions of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans.” State laws New state law requires textbooks to include gays achievements - Los Angeles Times
 
more kineticism in action? More fear from the propaganda factory?


"Propaganda" implies that there is something false or misleading....

You know that that is never the case in my posts.....


'Else you would have provided examples of same.
 
Should we be surprised that a poster who only last week was trying to....um....revise the meaning of the word 'fascism' is today complaining about liberal education?

Let me know when liberals start lying about what political terms mean, P. Chic.


Let's expose what a liar you are.

Last week you tried to slip in the Leftists definition, claiming that Fascism is a right wing philosophy, vastly different from the communism/socialism to which you subscribe.

I explained that the separation is a ploy you Leftists use to hide from your past.

I proved it by providing a simple test that you ran from:

Nazism, communism, socialism...and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which uses genocide as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and slaughters its own citizens as pro forma....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?


And, of course, they all do.
 
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They use red ink where my kid goes to school...fail that was a story about the UK, but this is clearly not the UK, but the USA.......The liberals do not control all public schools and not all schools are unionized.....

Your implication is that Unionized schools or so called "LIBERAL" controlled public schools are guilty of the listed crap. Anybody can find and list any number of "Hair On Fire" reports about silliness in any field, including education. To think the listed things are any way generally accepted and encouraged is just false.



Actually, it is your post that is "just false."

Stay tuned to this thread.


So you actually think teachers are banned from putting desks in a row...... math is no longer taught, but students are just issued calculators instead, ......and red ink is no longer used in schools? And furthermore, that "liberal" and "unionized teachers" are the reason that our country's schools are all required to follow these rules? Ridiculous.




No, you dope.....because communism is the impetus in government school today, rather than real education.


And what would one expect to be taught at Columbia, and other teacher's colleges that were under the influence of the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School?

Yup!


7. "At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.


This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.




8. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies."
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009



It's all about 'social justice' rather than about academics.

And the only way to avoid it in America today is private school, or homeschool.

So you say public school is all about communism, and pick one book out of literally hundreds of thousands of books used to demonstrate that? I read Tom Sawyer in school when I was kid. Does that mean the government was pressing kids to ride a raft and not wear shoes? Perhaps it had more to do with helping the fence painting industry. It's easy to find scary monsters everywhere if you first convince yourself they are real. The right wing crazies have done just that, and your silly post proves it.
 
They use red ink where my kid goes to school...fail that was a story about the UK, but this is clearly not the UK, but the USA.......The liberals do not control all public schools and not all schools are unionized.....

Your implication is that Unionized schools or so called "LIBERAL" controlled public schools are guilty of the listed crap. Anybody can find and list any number of "Hair On Fire" reports about silliness in any field, including education. To think the listed things are any way generally accepted and encouraged is just false.



Actually, it is your post that is "just false."

Stay tuned to this thread.


So you actually think teachers are banned from putting desks in a row...... math is no longer taught, but students are just issued calculators instead, ......and red ink is no longer used in schools? And furthermore, that "liberal" and "unionized teachers" are the reason that our country's schools are all required to follow these rules? Ridiculous.




No, you dope.....because communism is the impetus in government school today, rather than real education.


And what would one expect to be taught at Columbia, and other teacher's colleges that were under the influence of the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School?

Yup!


7. "At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.


This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.




8. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies."
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009



It's all about 'social justice' rather than about academics.

And the only way to avoid it in America today is private school, or homeschool.

So you say public school is all about communism, and pick one book out of literally hundreds of thousands of books used to demonstrate that? I read Tom Sawyer in school when I was kid. Does that mean the government was pressing kids to ride a raft and not wear shoes? Perhaps it had more to do with helping the fence painting industry. It's easy to find scary monsters everywhere if you first convince yourself they are real. The right wing crazies have done just that, and your silly post proves it.



How dumb are you???

I mean, really.

Did you notice that it is the book used in more teacher's ed courses than any other?????


  1. "Freire never intends “pedagogy” to refer to any method of classroom instruction based on analysis and research, or to any means of producing higher academic achievement for students. [H]e relies on Marx’s standard formulation that “the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat [and] this dictatorship only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.” In one footnote, however, Freire does mention a society that has actually realized the “permanent liberation” he seeks: it “appears to be the fundamental aspect of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.”
  2. The pedagogical point of Freire’s thesis : its opposition to taxing students with any actual academic content, which Freire derides as “official knowledge” that serves to rationalize inequality within capitalist society. One of Freire’s most widely quoted metaphors dismisses teacher-directed instruction as a misguided “banking concept,” in which “the scope of action allowed to the students extends only as far as receiving, filing and storing the deposits.” Freire proposes instead that teachers partner with their coequals, the students, in a “dialogic” and “problem-solving” process until the roles of teacher and student merge into “teacher-students” and “student-teachers.”
    Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009


So. tell me, clueless.....is this the 'education' you'd want for your children???

Is it??
 
I've expressed this many times:

What we're discussing here is the perversion of human reasoning.

Specifically, we're discussing "Relativism".

Relativism is defined as: the doctrine that knowledge, truth, and morality exist in only in relation with, thus is only relative to, one's culture, society, historical and personal context, and as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

As such, Relativism rests entirely upon one's own subjective needs, axiomatically rejecting objectivity.

The problem comes in the fact that objectivity is the essential element of truth.

Truth, is the essential element of trust.

Truth and trust
are the essential elements required for the recognition and acceptance of a soundly reasoned morality.

Truth, trust and a soundly reasoned morality are the essential elements of Justice.

Where the school rinses from the individual all senses required to know truth, which strips the individual of the means to trust, they've no means to discern a distinction from right and wrong. The best they can do is to conclude that what's right for one person, may or may not be right for another... .

All of which is the formula for cultural demolition. And THAT is the purpose of and for this idiocy.

In short, it's nothing less than Old Testament evil; the intentional perversion of human reasoning.
 
I do know of a sort of funny joke on topic...

What's 40 feet long, 30 feet wide, and sleeps 25?

A public school classroom.

lol
more kineticism in action? More fear from the propaganda factory?


"Propaganda" implies that there is something false or misleading....

You know that that is never the case in my posts.....


'Else you would have provided examples of same.

See, that statement itself is a perfect example of propaganda.
 
Your implication is that Unionized schools or so called "LIBERAL" controlled public schools are guilty of the listed crap. Anybody can find and list any number of "Hair On Fire" reports about silliness in any field, including education. To think the listed things are any way generally accepted and encouraged is just false.



Actually, it is your post that is "just false."

Stay tuned to this thread.


So you actually think teachers are banned from putting desks in a row...... math is no longer taught, but students are just issued calculators instead, ......and red ink is no longer used in schools? And furthermore, that "liberal" and "unionized teachers" are the reason that our country's schools are all required to follow these rules? Ridiculous.




No, you dope.....because communism is the impetus in government school today, rather than real education.


And what would one expect to be taught at Columbia, and other teacher's colleges that were under the influence of the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School?

Yup!


7. "At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.


This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.




8. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies."
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009



It's all about 'social justice' rather than about academics.

And the only way to avoid it in America today is private school, or homeschool.

So you say public school is all about communism, and pick one book out of literally hundreds of thousands of books used to demonstrate that? I read Tom Sawyer in school when I was kid. Does that mean the government was pressing kids to ride a raft and not wear shoes? Perhaps it had more to do with helping the fence painting industry. It's easy to find scary monsters everywhere if you first convince yourself they are real. The right wing crazies have done just that, and your silly post proves it.



How dumb are you???

I mean, really.

Did you notice that it is the book used in more teacher's ed courses than any other?????


  1. "Freire never intends “pedagogy” to refer to any method of classroom instruction based on analysis and research, or to any means of producing higher academic achievement for students. [H]e relies on Marx’s standard formulation that “the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat [and] this dictatorship only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.” In one footnote, however, Freire does mention a society that has actually realized the “permanent liberation” he seeks: it “appears to be the fundamental aspect of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.”
  2. The pedagogical point of Freire’s thesis : its opposition to taxing students with any actual academic content, which Freire derides as “official knowledge” that serves to rationalize inequality within capitalist society. One of Freire’s most widely quoted metaphors dismisses teacher-directed instruction as a misguided “banking concept,” in which “the scope of action allowed to the students extends only as far as receiving, filing and storing the deposits.” Freire proposes instead that teachers partner with their coequals, the students, in a “dialogic” and “problem-solving” process until the roles of teacher and student merge into “teacher-students” and “student-teachers.”
    Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009


So. tell me, clueless.....is this the 'education' you'd want for your children???

Is it??

You got a creditable link to show that the "MOST USED BOOK" is this one, and that everything in that book is presented as undeniable truth? For it to be that central to education, you should easily find lot's of references for that.
 
Seems my pal, the one with the IQ of a bulldog, isn't satisfied with the revelation that Marxist Paulo Freire is the most required book that prospective teachers are forced to study.....

OK

But Freire is simply one more in a line of communist-inspired influence that permeate government schooling, since Liberals and Progressives have taken charge.


While these "innovations" under the auspices of Liberals/Progressives have come in lock-step with the disintegration of education, as judged by the scores that American students get on international tests.....it would be remiss not to remind all of an earlier relationship:


9. John Dewey was a 'Potemkin Progressive,' completely taken in by Soviet Communist ideology. And this man is the greatest single influence on American schoolchildren; his books have been used to train generations of teachers. Even while the Russian civil war was still going on (some seven million killed between 1917 and 1921), Dewey’s books were translated into Russian by the Bolsheviks: they immediately recognized the importance of his ideas to the Soviet collective communist state.


    1. 1918, “School’s of Tomorrow,” published in Russian.
    2. 1919, “How We Think,” published in Russian.
    3. 1920, “The School and Society,” published in Russian.
    4. 1921, “Democracy and Education,” published in Russian. The English version, of course, became a bible at Columbia Teacher’s College.


10. In 1928, Dewey, on his trip to the Soviet, was given the full Potemkin treatment. He laughed off the possibility of his being manipulated…”the warning, which appears humorous in retrospect by my kindly friends is that I would be fooled by being taken to show places…”

Of course, immediately upon returning, he wrote a six part series for The New Republic, the political ‘font of all knowledge’ of the American left. “My mind was in a whirl of new impressions in those early days in Leningrad. Readjustment was difficult, and I lived somewhat dazed….” Impressions of Soviet Russia by John Dewey.
 
See, that statement itself is a perfect example of propaganda.

So, all argument represents an advocacy, thus all argument is propaganda, therefore: 'there is no truth ... .'?

Huh... that is mighty subjective.

Folks let's review:

Relativism is defined as: the doctrine that knowledge, truth, and morality exist in only in relation with, thus is only relative to, one's culture, society, historical and personal context, and as such can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

As such, Relativism rests entirely upon one's own subjective needs, axiomatically rejecting objectivity.

The problem comes in the fact that objectivity is the essential element of truth.

Truth, is the essential element of trust.

Truth and trust
are the essential elements required for the recognition and acceptance of a soundly reasoned morality.

Truth, trust and a soundly reasoned morality are the essential elements of Justice.
 
Actually, it is your post that is "just false."

Stay tuned to this thread.


So you actually think teachers are banned from putting desks in a row...... math is no longer taught, but students are just issued calculators instead, ......and red ink is no longer used in schools? And furthermore, that "liberal" and "unionized teachers" are the reason that our country's schools are all required to follow these rules? Ridiculous.




No, you dope.....because communism is the impetus in government school today, rather than real education.


And what would one expect to be taught at Columbia, and other teacher's colleges that were under the influence of the neo-Marxists of the Frankfurt School?

Yup!


7. "At a recent meeting of the New York Teaching Fellows program (“Teach for America”: provides an alternate route to state certification for about 1,700 new teachers annually) , Sol Stern found the one book that the fellows had to read in full was Pedagogy of the Oppressed, by the Brazilian educator Paulo Freire.


This book has achieved near-iconic status in America’s teacher-training programs. In 2003, David Steiner and Susan Rozen published a study examining the curricula of 16 schools of education—14 of them among the top-ranked institutions in the country, according to U.S. News and World Report—and found that Pedagogy of the Oppressed was one of the most frequently assigned texts in their philosophy of education courses.




8. But rather than dealing with the education of children, Pedagogy of the Oppressed mentions none of the issues that troubled education reformers throughout the twentieth century: testing, standards, curriculum, the role of parents, how to organize schools, what subjects should be taught in various grades, how best to train teachers, the most effective way of teaching disadvantaged students. This ed-school bestseller is, instead, a utopian political tract calling for the overthrow of capitalist hegemony and the creation of classless societies."
Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009



It's all about 'social justice' rather than about academics.

And the only way to avoid it in America today is private school, or homeschool.

So you say public school is all about communism, and pick one book out of literally hundreds of thousands of books used to demonstrate that? I read Tom Sawyer in school when I was kid. Does that mean the government was pressing kids to ride a raft and not wear shoes? Perhaps it had more to do with helping the fence painting industry. It's easy to find scary monsters everywhere if you first convince yourself they are real. The right wing crazies have done just that, and your silly post proves it.



How dumb are you???

I mean, really.

Did you notice that it is the book used in more teacher's ed courses than any other?????


  1. "Freire never intends “pedagogy” to refer to any method of classroom instruction based on analysis and research, or to any means of producing higher academic achievement for students. [H]e relies on Marx’s standard formulation that “the class struggle necessarily leads to the dictatorship of the proletariat [and] this dictatorship only constitutes the transition to the abolition of all classes and to a classless society.” In one footnote, however, Freire does mention a society that has actually realized the “permanent liberation” he seeks: it “appears to be the fundamental aspect of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.”
  2. The pedagogical point of Freire’s thesis : its opposition to taxing students with any actual academic content, which Freire derides as “official knowledge” that serves to rationalize inequality within capitalist society. One of Freire’s most widely quoted metaphors dismisses teacher-directed instruction as a misguided “banking concept,” in which “the scope of action allowed to the students extends only as far as receiving, filing and storing the deposits.” Freire proposes instead that teachers partner with their coequals, the students, in a “dialogic” and “problem-solving” process until the roles of teacher and student merge into “teacher-students” and “student-teachers.”
    Pedagogy of the Oppressor by Sol Stern City Journal Spring 2009


So. tell me, clueless.....is this the 'education' you'd want for your children???

Is it??

You got a creditable link to show that the "MOST USED BOOK" is this one, and that everything in that book is presented as undeniable truth? For it to be that central to education, you should easily find lot's of references for that.



You doubt me?????

You double-dope.

"Freire is one of the most important educators of the 20th century and is considered one of the most important theorists of "critical pedagogy" - the educational movement guided by both passion and principle to help students develop a consciousness of freedom, recognize authoritarian tendencies, empower the imagination, connect knowledge and truth to power and learn to read both the word and the world as part of a broader struggle for agency, justice and democracy. His groundbreaking book, "Pedagogy of the Oppressed," has sold more than a million copies and is deservedly being commemorated this year - the 40th anniversary of its appearance in English translation - after having exerted its influence over generations of teachers and intellectuals in the Americas and abroad."
Lessons to Be Learned From Paulo Freire as Education Is Being Taken Over by the Mega Rich
 
"Freire is one of the most important educators of the 20th century and is considered one of the most important theorists of "critical pedagogy" - the educational movement guided by both passion and principle to help students develop a consciousness of freedom, recognize authoritarian tendencies, empower the imagination, connect knowledge and truth to power and learn to read both the word and the world as part of a broader struggle for agency, justice and democracy. His groundbreaking book, "Pedagogy of the Oppressed," has sold more than a million copies and is deservedly being commemorated this year - the 40th anniversary of its appearance in English translation - after having exerted its influence over generations of teachers and intellectuals in the Americas and abroad."
Lessons to Be Learned From Paulo Freire as Education Is Being Taken Over by the Mega Rich
"And his example is more important now than ever before: with institutions of public and higher education increasingly under siege by a host of neoliberal and conservative forces, it is imperative for educators to acknowledge Freire's understanding of the empowering and democratic potential of education. Critical pedagogy currently offers the very best, perhaps the only, chance for young people to develop and assert a sense of their rights and responsibilities to participate in governing, and not simply being governed by prevailing ideological and material forces."

Now who would want that, certainly not you little morons.
 

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