Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?

[hobelim]

Swearing obedience isn’t marrying anyone. You are making up the rest. And, show where the priest is swearing allegiance to the Pope.

Priesthood is open only to men; women are excluded. Obedience is so important that during an ordination Mass, the promise of obedience to the bishop and his successors is the final promise a man moments before the sacrament of Holy Orders is conferred.

"The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God. And on top stands the Pope as the ultimate superior.

WHO STAND IN THE PLACE OF GOD

Note this.

 

[ding]

Excuse me dingbot, but your brain seems to be experiencing a system wide malfunction.

You need to say your prayers. Even though you never got one response maybe this time you will?

Eat a matzo, lie in the name of God, and ritually desecrate the teachings of Jesus. Keep the faith!



God will be waiting for you with a glorious crown and many wonderful heavenly presents! But only when your physical body dies..... after living like a religiously addled schnook for your entire life.

At least thats what I heard.

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

 

[Cougarbear]

Priesthood is open only to men; women are excluded. Obedience is so important that during an ordination Mass, the promise of obedience to the bishop and his successors is the final promise a man moments before the sacrament of Holy Orders is conferred.

"The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God.

STAND IN THE PLACE OF GOD
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Note this.

Can you find something doctrinal from the Roman Catholic Church? I’m not defending it. But lying and making stuff up isn’t right either.

The concept of men holding the Priesthood has no bearing on marriage of any kind. So, let me help you here. The correct term is “Order of the Priesthood. The Order after Melchizedek or Aaron as written in the Book of Hebrews. There is an order in the universe. The Priesthood is God’s power and authority that made the heavens and the earth. The Priesthood of God is given to man to do his work in an orderly manner. After Jesus was crucified, the keys of the Priesthood were given to the Apostles with one Apostle having the full authority of decision making for the entire Church. The other Apostles holding the keys were under the authority of Peter and the others had keys of authority for their missions for the Church. But still subject to Peter’s authority. The RCC claims succession from Peter and all priests are subject to the authority of their Pope. Not married to. It’s like you subject to your boss at your job who has the keys of the business.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes the Priesthood was lost in the apostasy Paul said was coming after John died. The priesthood and keys of the Bishops were no longer able to work on the doors of authority of God. A restoration of the Priesthood and Church was needed. Not a fixing up of a broken church. The Prophet called to do this was Joseph Smith. He received the priesthood orders of Aaron and Melchizedek from John the Baptist and Peter, James and John who returned resurrected by the laying on of hands. The President of the Church holds the authority of all the Church. The Apostles today hold keys for their missions as do Elder Quorum Prsidents, bishops and stake presidents. But they all are subject to the decisions of the President of the Church. We are not married to the President.

Where do you people get this stuff. You are worse than the politicians who make stuff up just to get elected. Do you do this for fame and fortune?

 

[hobelim]

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

When I say something as simple, irrefutable, and as obvious as the fact that at mass everyone kneels before and prays to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life and you feel anger and hatred its because your own conscience condemns you.

 

[hobelim]

Where do you people get this stuff. You are worse than the politicians who make stuff up just to get elected. Do you do this for fame and fortune?

Oh sure. there is a ton of money waiting to be made by pissing off billions of religious kooks. I do it simply because its the right thing to do, the neighbor thing to do, come hell or high water. For your edification. Example: Mithraism on which Catholicism and most of Christianity is based was the secret "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the Roman government and military which originated in Babylon and "mysteriously" disappeared in the 4th century when Catholicism took over and set out to conquer the world, under the sign of the Mithran cross, in the name of the antichrist, a false counterfeit substitute Jesus, a triune god made man made matzo made by human hands...

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", and people who celebrated his birth "made merry and exchanged gifts". it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. (see below) This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, in English, mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic anti female religion whose priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

 

[hobelim]

Can you find something doctrinal from the Roman Catholic Church?

The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God. (At the top stands the Pope as the ultimate superior.)

The President of the Church holds the authority of all the Church. The Apostles today hold keys for their missions as do Elder Quorum Prsidents, bishops and stake presidents. But they all are subject to the decisions of the President of the Church.

Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Episcopalian, Latter day saints. Seriously, whats the difference?

 

[ding]

When I say something as simple, irrefutable, and as obvious as the fact that at mass everyone kneels before and prays to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life and you feel anger and hatred its because your own conscience condemns you.

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

 

[hobelim]

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

You know nothing about me but you can tell yourself that for all eternity if it makes you feel better.



Its would be much easier for you to just admit the obvious. You fell for an ancient Roman scam.

As if that was too hard for someone who professes to 'just believe' that Jesus, an innocent man, died for your silly sins so that you can sin with impunity for life, as long as you worship a matzo.

Schnook.

 

[ding]

You know nothing about me but you can tell yourself that for all eternity if it makes you feel better.



Its would be much easier for you to just admit the obvious. You fell for an ancient Roman scam.

As if that was too hard for someone who professes to 'just believe' that Jesus, an innocent man, died for your silly sins so that you can sin with impunity for life, as long as you worship a matzo.

Schnook.

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

 

[hobelim]

You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

Alrighty then. I am so sorry that my words have caused your mind to repeat the same stupid thing like a broken record. You better watch out dingbot, I have in hand a bottle of genuine Holy water.

And I ain't afraid to use it.

 

[ding]

Alrighty then. I am so sorry that my words have caused you to repeat the same stupid thing like a broken record. You better watch out dingbot, I have in my hand a bottle of bonafide Holy water.

And I ain't afraid to use it.

No different than what you do. You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

 

[hobelim]

No different than what you do. You are an angry Jewish atheist gay male. You have created an alternate reality to justify your lifestyle. You are angry and full of hate. I feel sorry for you. You have no peace.

Wow! And some people don't believe in curses. Imagine that!

 

[ding]

Wow! And some people don't believe in curses. Imagine that!

You're the one who is all wound up, dummy. It's eats at you and is eating you. You very well may be the most hate filled person I've ever met. If that's not cursed I don't know what is.

 

[hobelim]

You're the one who is all wound up, dummy. It's eats at you and is eating you. You very well may be the most hate filled person I've ever met.

Ahem. I hate to break the news to you dingbot but you and I have never met. Is this news to you?

If that's not cursed I don't know what is.

That you think you know me, where I'm coming from or where I am going, proves that you are not only merely dead but really quite sincerely dead. I am so happy that you enjoy being accursed..

Its very touching to see how much faith you have... in what you already know to be brazen lies.

 

[Cougarbear]

Oh sure. there is a ton of money waiting to be made by pissing off billions of religious kooks. I do it simply because its the right thing to do, the neighbor thing to do, come hell or high water. For your edification. Example: Mithraism on which Catholicism and most of Christianity is based was the secret "MYSTERY RELIGION" of the Roman government and military which originated in Babylon and "mysteriously" disappeared in the 4th century when Catholicism took over and set out to conquer the world, under the sign of the Mithran cross, in the name of the antichrist, a false counterfeit substitute Jesus, a triune god made man made matzo made by human hands...

* Mithra was born on December 25th. Called "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun", and people who celebrated his birth "made merry and exchanged gifts". it was incorporated into the church in the 4th century AD as the birthday of Christ. Although Jesus was born in October, christians today celebrate Mithra' birthday, believing it was Jesus' birthday.

* Mithra' birth was witnessed by shepherds and by Magi (wise men) who brought gifts to his sacred birth-cave of the Rock

* He was considered a great travelling teacher and master.

* He had 12 companions or disciples, which in Mithraism were represented by the 12 astrological signs.

* He performed miracles.

* He was buried in a tomb.

* After three days he rose again, but with no witnesses to the event

* His triumph over death and ascension to heaven were celebrated at the Mithran's most important festival, Easter, held at the spring equinox when the sun rises toward its apogee

* Mithra was called "the Good Shepherd."

* He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."

* In the cult's rituals, Mithra was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.

* His sacred day was Sunday, and was called "the Lord's Day" hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

* Mithraism had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper" in which bread was eaten as a symbol of Mithra' body, and wine was drunk as a symbol of the blood shed when Mithra overpowered and killed the bull

* Mithra performed many miracles, including raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, casting out devils.

* Mithra was said to carry keys to the kingdom of heaven.

* Mithra was called the god of light and truth, the god of mediation between god and man. He was to his worshippers The creator of life; The Mediator between man and the higher gods; The God of light; The All-seeing one; The Guardian of oaths (covenants); The Protector of the righteous in this world and also in the next.

* A trinity godhead comprised of Mithra (divine god of truth), Rashnu (divine god of justice, judgement and righteousness), Vohu Manah (divine spirit of enlightenment). These three persons were separate yet they were one.

Before returning to heaven, Mithra was said to have celebrated a Last Supper with followers, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac. In memory of this, his worshippers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with the Mithran cross of light. (see below) This was one of the seven Mithraic sacraments, believed to be the models for the Christians' seven sacraments, which follow them identically. It was called mizd, latin missa, in other words, in English, mass. Mithra' image was buried in a rock tomb, the same sacred cave that represented his mother's womb. He was withdrawn from it and said to live again.

Mithraism was an ascetic anti female religion whose priesthood consisted of celibate men only.

That's nice and all. But, how does this relate to the priests marrying the Pope? I get it you like to go off on tangents. This is certainly a tangent. Look, it's well known that there were many other at the time of Jesus Christ who claimed to be the Christ, the Messiah. This was just one more. And, like most of the others, it did not make it very far into history. The Bible scriptures are what we have from Apostles of Jesus Christ. I'm still waiting on where you found out that the priests marry the Pope.

 

[Cougarbear]

The evangelical counsel of obedience, undertaken in a spirit of faith and love in the following of Christ who was obedient even unto death requires a submission of the will to legitimate superiors, who stand in the place of God. (At the top stands the Pope as the ultimate superior.)



Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical, Episcopalian, Latter day saints. Seriously, whats the difference?

No mention of the Pope marrying the priests.
There's a huge difference in doctrine. Ignorance is no excuse with the law...

 

[Cougarbear]

When I say something as simple, irrefutable, and as obvious as the fact that at mass everyone kneels before and prays to a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life and you feel anger and hatred its because your own conscience condemns you.

I've been to many masses and they do not pray or kneel to the sacraments. They pray to God. As do we in the LDS Church. It's all about teaching and learning with symbolism as Jesus taught.

 

[ding]

Ahem. I hate to break the news to you dingbot but you and I have never met. Is this news to you?


That you think you know me, where I'm coming from or where I am going, proves that you are not only merely dead but really quite sincerely dead. I am so happy that you enjoy being accursed..

Its very touching to see how much faith you have... in what you already know to be brazen lies.

You're an open book. Most hate filled one trick ponies are.

 

[hobelim]

They pray to God. As do we in the LDS Church.

You might not realize this but if you pray to a trinity that became a Jewish man who was executed as a "perfect human sacrifice" to atone for your sins, derp, so that you don't have to suffer the consequence, death, you are praying to the Antichrist, a false Jesus whose miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very same day that you first prayed to a trinity that became a man who died for your sins you died and descended into hell, the realm of the dead, where you remain tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your absurd beliefs like a consuming fire that will never go out.

So I know you are having a profound religious experience every time you do this, just not a very good one, dying every time you set aside the Law of God, never finding peace in death. Whee!

Unless you bear fruit worthy of repentance you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven no matter how many times you are baptized in the name of a counterfeit Jesus that never actually existed.

 

[Cougarbear]

You might not realize this but if you pray to a trinity that became a Jewish man who was executed as a "perfect human sacrifice" to atone for your sins, derp, so that you don't have to suffer the consequence, death, you are praying to the Antichrist, a false Jesus whose miracles of the lie that scripture is to be taken literally does not correspond to any real living being ever in existence.

I will tell you something. Try to hear.

In the very same day that you first prayed to a trinity that became a man who died for your sins you died and descended into hell, the realm of the dead, where you remain tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your absurd beliefs like a consuming fire that will never go out.

So I know you are having a profound religious experience every time you do this, just not a very good one, dying every time you set aside the Law of God, never finding peace in death. Whee!

Unless you bear fruit worthy of repentance you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven no matter how many times you are baptized in the name of a counterfeit Jesus that never actually existed.

Now you are all over the place with little understanding. Israel was under condemnation when the Lord Jehovah came down. That’s why they were under the tyranny of Rome. He came to give the people a higher law and explain the truth that the Jewish leaders had lost. He came to fulfill the prophets promises that a Savior Messiah would be born and give the final atonement because of the fall of Adam. A way to remove the stain of sins we commit every day of our life. Because, we cannot return to our Father in Heaven with the stain of sin on us. Father will not be in the presence of sin. The key is that individuals have to go through a repentance process. That will include, but not exclusive to, ask God and the people you injured for forgiveness, pay restitution if possible, grow faith in Jesus Christ, be baptized in water by one who has proper authority, receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands with one who has proper authority, remember weekly the love and atonement Jesus Christ provided for you the rest of your life. Then, become a better person throught your life.