Where does the constitution give Congress power to set up national health care?

[Asclepias]

Damn Dante! Way to handle the misinformed. You should be imprisoned for child abuse!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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The board notes you evaded the question so i will ask again. You claim the constitution gives the supreme court the authority to decide whether or not a law is constitutional - so show us where it says that.

The Court took that power unto itself in the most famous of court cases, Marbury v. Madison. Since that time it is now accepted by the nation that the Court has that power. Did the framers err in failing to put it in black and white or was it intentional? We may never know. There is evidence that it was assumed and the framers didn't spell it out. No matter, we now accept the idea that the Court does have that power.

So you admit it's not in the constitution - the court just gave the power to themselves. Do you favor discarding the entire constitution?

your rigid texualism is laughable. Not even Scalia agrees with this type of nonsense.

 

[MikeK]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(The Preamble)

 

[Clementine]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

Congress can tax us.
All revenue raising bills must pass the House.
Neither the president or congress can force us to participate in commerce.

Obama said Obamacare is not a tax. He had to say that because the House did not pass Obamacare and it would be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS ruled it legal strictly because Obama said it is a tax.

So, if it's a tax, it needs to be thrown out because the bill never got voted on by the House. They merely pulled a fast one and substituted the Obamacare bill for another one. Not allowed legally.

If it's not a tax, then SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional because we cannot be forced to purchase something.

Either way, it's gotta go and I wish some of those RINOs in Washington would grow a set and challenge this. Next best thing is defunding it. It has to be thrown out altogether.

I know Obama hates the fact that he is constrained by a document written by our founding fathers. Tough shit, Barack, you are not above our constitution.

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

 

[Asclepias]

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

They already have a medical plan funded by taxpayers? Why do all the presidents get to live out the rest of their lives supported by plan funded by tax dollars after they are no longer in office?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

Congress can tax us.
All revenue raising bills must pass the House.
Neither the president or congress can force us to participate in commerce.

Obama said Obamacare is not a tax. He had to say that because the House did not pass Obamacare and it would be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS ruled it legal strictly because Obama said it is a tax.

So, if it's a tax, it needs to be thrown out because the bill never got voted on by the House. They merely pulled a fast one and substituted the Obamacare bill for another one. Not allowed legally.

If it's not a tax, then SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional because we cannot be forced to purchase something.

Either way, it's gotta go and I wish some of those RINOs in Washington would grow a set and challenge this. Next best thing is defunding it. It has to be thrown out altogether.

I know Obama hates the fact that he is constrained by a document written by our founding fathers. Tough shit, Barack, you are not above our constitution.

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

Actually, President Obama argued two things in court. One that it was not a tax, but if the SCOTUS disagreed they argued for the result we got.

Also, the SCOTUS responded that they strike down the act only if the Congress lacked the Constitutional authority to pass the act.

Try reading up on the PPACA instead of using ignorantly inadequate talking points

 

[P@triot]

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But the supremacy of the Federal Constitution, Federal laws, and Federal courts is beyond dispute – as originally intended by the Framers, where the states and local jurisdictions are subject to the laws passed by Congress and the rulings made by Federal courts.

HAHAHA. You may not dispute it, but millions of americans do. They point to the tenth amendment and say when the feds go beyond the listed powers of congress, then the states have an obligation to say no.

yet another misreading and misinterpretation? Oy vey!

The framers and ratifiers argued over this stuff since very early on in the new republic. Arguments revealed they disagreed with each other and with you. Imagine that? But funny thing is the states rights tools lost almost every single battle in our relatively short history.

Difference now is a wider echo chamber on the web here any Tom, Dick, and Harriet is free to parade their ignorance and stupidity to a wider audience

Reading your ignorance [MENTION=15512]Dante[/MENTION] in post after post is just painful. Nobody could possibly be this stupid (even willfully ignorant libtards like you who have made the conscious choice to not read the U.S. Constitution).

First of all, your entire libtard view on the Supreme Court is absurd, ignorant, and tragic. You cannot find any section in the U.S. Constitution which grants the Supreme Court the power to decide what the Constitution means. The Constitution is written in black & white, is very clear, and means exactly what it says. It is not open for "interpretation". That's just a desperate Dumbocrat sales pitch since their entire communist agenda is unconstitutional.

Second, the only thing more ignorant and outrageous than your brainwashed Think Progress view on the Constitution is your asinine statement on "states rights tools". First of all, unlike you, state sovereignty is not a "tool". It's a simple reality made extraordinarily clear in the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

X
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Excerpt From: States, United. “United States Bill of Rights.” iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=361563814

Now, just because libtards (such as yourself) have violated the law over and over and over does not suddenly void that law, any more than the millions of murders this nation has experienced since it's inception makes void our laws against murder. The fact that you actually try to make the case that "ha-ha, we libtards violate your laws and your rights, so they are no longer laws and rights" shows a humiliating level of ignorance on your behalf.

 

[P@triot]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

Congress can tax us.
All revenue raising bills must pass the House.
Neither the president or congress can force us to participate in commerce.

Obama said Obamacare is not a tax. He had to say that because the House did not pass Obamacare and it would be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS ruled it legal strictly because Obama said it is a tax.

So, if it's a tax, it needs to be thrown out because the bill never got voted on by the House. They merely pulled a fast one and substituted the Obamacare bill for another one. Not allowed legally.

If it's not a tax, then SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional because we cannot be forced to purchase something.

Either way, it's gotta go and I wish some of those RINOs in Washington would grow a set and challenge this. Next best thing is defunding it. It has to be thrown out altogether.

I know Obama hates the fact that he is constrained by a document written by our founding fathers. Tough shit, Barack, you are not above our constitution.

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

Actually, President Obama argued two things in court. One that it was not a tax, but if the SCOTUS disagreed they argued for the result we got.

Also, the SCOTUS responded that they strike down the act only if the Congress lacked the Constitutional authority to pass the act.

Try reading up on the PPACA instead of using ignorantly inadequate talking points

OMG - you're ignorance is legendary...

Ole Barack Hussein spent 2 years telling the American people it was not a tax. Then, when he realized it was unconstitutional and would be struck down, he then argued before the court that it WAS A TAX. That was his entire case.

You are an embarrassment to America, civilization, humanity, and even libtards (which is saying a LOT to be an embarrassment to that pathetic bunch)

 

[JakeStarkey]

[ The concept of the SCOTUS reviewing the Constitutionality of laws was NOT invented in Marbury/Madison. Read legal history people

No one said that's when the concept was invented. But that's when the supreme court first stated it. The question americans have been asking ever since is - where is the constitutional justification for this enormous power grab.? THINK

Article III of the Constitution gives SCOTUS the authority.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

Congress can tax us.
All revenue raising bills must pass the House.
Neither the president or congress can force us to participate in commerce.

Obama said Obamacare is not a tax. He had to say that because the House did not pass Obamacare and it would be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS ruled it legal strictly because Obama said it is a tax.

So, if it's a tax, it needs to be thrown out because the bill never got voted on by the House. They merely pulled a fast one and substituted the Obamacare bill for another one. Not allowed legally.

If it's not a tax, then SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional because we cannot be forced to purchase something.

Either way, it's gotta go and I wish some of those RINOs in Washington would grow a set and challenge this. Next best thing is defunding it. It has to be thrown out altogether.

I know Obama hates the fact that he is constrained by a document written by our founding fathers. Tough shit, Barack, you are not above our constitution.

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

Clementine, show us where ACA exempts the president, the Congress, and the IRS from the program? That is a Joe McCarthy statement.

SCOTUS has opined, and the far right has whined: no one cares.

 

[P@triot]

Actually, President Obama argued two things in court. One that it was not a tax, but if the SCOTUS disagreed they argued for the result we got.

Yes ladies & gentlemen, [MENTION=15512]Dante[/MENTION] apparently really is this ignorant of reality...

Obama Administration: Obamacare's Individual Mandate 'Is a Tax'

Finally, here’s Verilli making the same point at oral argument before the Supreme Court in March: “The legislative history is replete with members of Congress explaining that this law is constitutional as an exercise of the taxing power…Not only is it fair to read this as an exercise of the tax power, but this Court has an obligation to construe it as an exercise of the tax power, if it can be upheld on that basis.” (h/t Noah Glyn for the video.)

Justice Alito asked: “Can the mandate be viewed as a tax if it does impose a requirement on people who are not subject to the penalty or the tax?” Verrilli: “I think it could.”

Obama Administration: Obamacare's Individual Mandate 'Is a Tax' - Forbes

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rottweiler has whined because SCOTUS opined that the far right reactionaries are wrong about ACA.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(The Preamble)

So where is your evidence that obozocare does in fact PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

No one said that's when the concept was invented. But that's when the supreme court first stated it. The question americans have been asking ever since is - where is the constitutional justification for this enormous power grab.? THINK

Article III of the Constitution gives SCOTUS the authority.

We've explained this to you a million times. Nullifying laws is an extra-legal process and not included in "judicial power". THINK

 

[P@triot]

Damn Dante! Way to handle the misinformed. You should be imprisoned for child abuse!

Soooo.... Dante posts a bunch of misinformation, lies, and bullshit, and you celebrate that?

See my posts below (yours here) sweetheart. I posted links that PROVE Dante doesn't know shit....

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one said that's when the concept was invented. But that's when the supreme court first stated it. The question americans have been asking ever since is - where is the constitutional justification for this enormous power grab.? THINK

Article III of the Constitution gives SCOTUS the authority.

We've explained this to you a million times. Nullifying laws is an extra-legal process and not included in "judicial power". THINK

We explained to you that the process is not extra-legal, is constitutional, and is recognized "judicial power."

You are entitled to your opinion but nothing more.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rottweiler celebrates the "misinformation, lies, and bullshit" of the illiterate far reactionary right.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

HAHAHA. You may not dispute it, but millions of americans do. They point to the tenth amendment and say when the feds go beyond the listed powers of congress, then the states have an obligation to say no.

yet another misreading and misinterpretation? Oy vey!

The framers and ratifiers argued over this stuff since very early on in the new republic. Arguments revealed they disagreed with each other and with you. Imagine that? But funny thing is the states rights tools lost almost every single battle in our relatively short history.

Difference now is a wider echo chamber on the web here any Tom, Dick, and Harriet is free to parade their ignorance and stupidity to a wider audience

Reading your ignorance [MENTION=15512]Dante[/MENTION] in post after post is just painful. Nobody could possibly be this stupid (even willfully ignorant libtards like you who have made the conscious choice to not read the U.S. Constitution).

First of all, your entire libtard view on the Supreme Court is absurd, ignorant, and tragic. You cannot find any section in the U.S. Constitution which grants the Supreme Court the power to decide what the Constitution means. The Constitution is written in black & white, is very clear, and means exactly what it says. It is not open for "interpretation". That's just a desperate Dumbocrat sales pitch since their entire communist agenda is unconstitutional.

Second, the only thing more ignorant and outrageous than your brainwashed Think Progress view on the Constitution is your asinine statement on "states rights tools". First of all, unlike you, state sovereignty is not a "tool". It's a simple reality made extraordinarily clear in the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution:

The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

X
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Excerpt From: States, United. “United States Bill of Rights.” iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewBook?id=361563814

Now, just because libtards (such as yourself) have violated the law over and over and over does not suddenly void that law, any more than the millions of murders this nation has experienced since it's inception makes void our laws against murder. The fact that you actually try to make the case that "ha-ha, we libtards violate your laws and your rights, so they are no longer laws and rights" shows a humiliating level of ignorance on your behalf.

Your fringe views of most everything, along with your willfull ignorance and imbecility on most everything concerning the history of our beloved nation would be hilariously funny if it were not so dangerously angry and vile.

People who hate America like you do wish to go back to an invented past paradise that never existed except in the collective consciousness of right wing whacko amerika

The history of Executive, Congressional, and Judicial battles and victories in the USA has some people wishing America were a different place, in a different time, with a different history, but reality bites

It sucks to be you
And for that you have my sympathies

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Congress can tax us.
All revenue raising bills must pass the House.
Neither the president or congress can force us to participate in commerce.

Obama said Obamacare is not a tax. He had to say that because the House did not pass Obamacare and it would be unconstitutional.

SCOTUS ruled it legal strictly because Obama said it is a tax.

So, if it's a tax, it needs to be thrown out because the bill never got voted on by the House. They merely pulled a fast one and substituted the Obamacare bill for another one. Not allowed legally.

If it's not a tax, then SCOTUS says it is unconstitutional because we cannot be forced to purchase something.

Either way, it's gotta go and I wish some of those RINOs in Washington would grow a set and challenge this. Next best thing is defunding it. It has to be thrown out altogether.

I know Obama hates the fact that he is constrained by a document written by our founding fathers. Tough shit, Barack, you are not above our constitution.

I would like just one lib here to explain why it's okay for Obama, congress and the IRS to exempt themselves from Obamacare. Why did they do that and why is it acceptable? Come on, libs, not a one of you has touched that subject.

Actually, President Obama argued two things in court. One that it was not a tax, but if the SCOTUS disagreed they argued for the result we got.

Also, the SCOTUS responded that they strike down the act only if the Congress lacked the Constitutional authority to pass the act.

Try reading up on the PPACA instead of using ignorantly inadequate talking points

OMG - you're ignorance is legendary...

Ole Barack Hussein spent 2 years telling the American people it was not a tax. Then, when he realized it was unconstitutional and would be struck down, he then argued before the court that it WAS A TAX. That was his entire case.

You are an embarrassment to America, civilization, humanity, and even libtards (which is saying a LOT to be an embarrassment to that pathetic bunch)

The "entire" legal case presented by the Obama Administration and the "entire" true history of the PPACA/Obamacare seems lost on you

Obama admin made two arguments in court, one did NOT come about afterwatds. They went in with multiple arguments. Portraying the fallback strategy as an after-the-fact is a sorrily misinformed reading of reality.

The Supreme Court ruled the individual mandate payment as constitutional under the Congress' Power to 'lay and collect taxes' just as the Obama adim argued in court.

It is a tax on those who do not have health insurance. P retty simple even for somebody with your limited skill set to absorb if you wanted to be honest and rational...

...but you don't, because we have a biracial President in office

 

[thereisnospoon]

Actually, President Obama argued two things in court. One that it was not a tax, but if the SCOTUS disagreed they argued for the result we got.

Also, the SCOTUS responded that they strike down the act only if the Congress lacked the Constitutional authority to pass the act.

Try reading up on the PPACA instead of using ignorantly inadequate talking points

OMG - you're ignorance is legendary...

Ole Barack Hussein spent 2 years telling the American people it was not a tax. Then, when he realized it was unconstitutional and would be struck down, he then argued before the court that it WAS A TAX. That was his entire case.

You are an embarrassment to America, civilization, humanity, and even libtards (which is saying a LOT to be an embarrassment to that pathetic bunch)

The "entire" legal case presented by the Obama Administration and the "entire" true history of the PPACA/Obamacare seems lost on you

Obama admin made two arguments in court, one did NOT come about afterwatds. They went in with multiple arguments. Portraying the fallback strategy as an after-the-fact is a sorrily misinformed reading of reality.

The Supreme Court ruled the individual mandate payment as constitutional under the Congress' Power to 'lay and collect taxes' just as the Obama adim argued in court.

It is a tax on those who do not have health insurance. P retty simple even for somebody with your limited skill set to absorb if you wanted to be honest and rational...

...but you don't, because we have a biracial President in office

No, it's a tax on everyone.
IN any event, when the Obama admin was pitching ACA as "commerce" because had the plan been presented as a tax, both sides of the aisle would have run from it.
Once it became apparent that the Law was going to face scrutiny by SCOTUS, the administration switched its tactic and presented ACA as a tax.
THAT was their argument. The Obama attorneys knew they had to argue ACA was a tax lest it be ruled unconstitutional.