Where does the constitution give Congress power to set up national health care?

[thereisnospoon]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(The Preamble)

BTW, the Preamble is not a command, and not even phrased as one. It simply explains the reason the Constitution is being written and enacted. It makes no law, and is not binding on anyone.

Would you like to discuss the actual (misnamed) "Welfare Clause" in the Constitution that IS a command? (Hint: It's a command that forbids the Fed govt from running programs like Obamacare.)

lol, Art. 1, sec. 8 is quite clear on OC funding. Where do you read forbid at?

It is? Perhaps in your opinion....
The SCOTUS deemed ACA a TAX....Had it decided ACA was commerce, the law would have been sent back to the drawing board.
If you read and understand Article 1 Section 8, it states specifically Congress has the power to 'regulate commerce'...Congress does not have the power to "create" commerce.

 

[thereisnospoon]

They do it all the time you idiot. In roe v wade they nullified most anti-abortion laws.

You are incorrect. The Roe decision was based solely on an issue of privacy.
The plaintiffs argued the right to abortion was a 4th Amendment issue.
SCOTUS nullified nothing.
ll.

HAHAHA. More blatant lying from the left. Of course they nullified the state anti-abortion laws. And then replaced it with a law of their own making. The supreme court doesn't just nullify laws, they write laws!!! They did the same in plyler v doe where they mandated k-12 education for illegal aliens.

Oy vey...The left? Obviously you never read or cannot understand my posts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(The Preamble)

BTW, the Preamble is not a command, and not even phrased as one. It simply explains the reason the Constitution is being written and enacted. It makes no law, and is not binding on anyone.

Would you like to discuss the actual (misnamed) "Welfare Clause" in the Constitution that IS a command? (Hint: It's a command that forbids the Fed govt from running programs like Obamacare.)

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

 

[WillowTree]

It's not there and that means they don't have it - the states do. Obamacare is obviously unconstitutional as is 99% of what the feds do. The states need to grow a pair and scream about this.

It's a TAX.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

BTW, the Preamble is not a command, and not even phrased as one. It simply explains the reason the Constitution is being written and enacted. It makes no law, and is not binding on anyone.
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The preamble makes it clear that the word "people" means citizens. That is its value and that is very important. It proves illegals have no constitutional rights.

Incorrect.

The 14th Amendment refers to persons, and immigrants, regardless their immigration status, are persons in any ordinary sense of the word. See: Plyler v. Doe (1982).

Consequently, all persons are entitled to fundamental Constitutional rights, due process rights in particular.

This is important because we don’t want partisan politicians making subjective decisions as to whom is a citizen or not, or whom will be afforded his Constitutional rights.

This is consistent with the Framers’ original intent when they created a Constitutional republic, where all persons are subject to the rule of law, not men, as men are incapable of ruling justly.

The OP and those who agree with him are proof of that.

 

[dblack]

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

Clayton, you always get hung up on this. Case law is for judges. We're allowed our opinions.

 

[thereisnospoon]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

(The Preamble)

BTW, the Preamble is not a command, and not even phrased as one. It simply explains the reason the Constitution is being written and enacted. It makes no law, and is not binding on anyone.

Would you like to discuss the actual (misnamed) "Welfare Clause" in the Constitution that IS a command? (Hint: It's a command that forbids the Fed govt from running programs like Obamacare.)

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

A liberal spouting off in support of the Constitution...What a joke.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

Clayton, you always get hung up on this. Case law is for judges. We're allowed our opinions.

No one ever said one wasn’t.

The problem is many express their ‘opinions’ as ‘fact.’

Opine as to the merits of the case law, don’t reject it in its entirety.

The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, Congress is consequently authorized to act in a regulatory manner to ensure the general welfare of the Nation.

Discuss whether Congress has acted appropriately in the context of this authority, don’t ignore the authority altogether.

“But that’s not in the Constitution” is a failed and ignorant ‘argument.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

Clayton, you always get hung up on this. Case law is for judges. We're allowed our opinions.

It can also be argued that if one wishes to engage in debate as to our Constitution, he’ll become familiar with the case law and fundamental tenets of Constitutional jurisprudence.

And no, the case law is not ‘for the judges,’ it’s for the people, if not more so.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

Case law??? Judges ignore prior court ruling whenever they feel like it. How did abortion suddenly become a federal issue in 1973 after courts had ruled it a state issue for 170 years? And why did the Supreme Court declare in bush v gore (2000) that their ruling could NOT be used as precedent in other cases??

The principle behind case law is gone, you moron.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The SCOTUS deemed ACA a TAX....Had it decided ACA was commerce, the law would have been sent back to the drawing board.
If you read and understand Article 1 Section 8, it states specifically Congress has the power to 'regulate commerce'...Congress does not have the power to "create" commerce.

Furthermore, the whole idea that health care is "commerce" is ludicrous.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What you and others on the right refuse to do is discuss the actual case law that determines what the Constitution means, as the Founding Document exists only in the context of its case law.

Clayton, you always get hung up on this. Case law is for judges. We're allowed our opinions.

No one ever said one wasn’t.

The problem is many express their ‘opinions’ as ‘fact.’

Opine as to the merits of the case law, don’t reject it in its entirety.

The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, Congress is consequently authorized to act in a regulatory manner to ensure the general welfare of the Nation.

Discuss whether Congress has acted appropriately in the context of this authority, don’t ignore the authority altogether.

“But that’s not in the Constitution” is a failed and ignorant ‘argument.’

Oh, great, the "general welfare" clause argument....

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, Congress is consequently authorized to act in a regulatory manner to ensure the general welfare of the Nation.
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so produce your evidence that obamacare will in fact ensure the general welfare.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

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The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, Congress is consequently authorized to act in a regulatory manner to ensure the general welfare of the Nation.
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so produce your evidence that obamacare will in fact ensure the general welfare.

Moreover, it is a BS argument.... as far back as 1833 it was established by the SCOTUS that the General Welfare Clause is not a general grant of legislative authority by the Congress but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.

Hell, follow the left's twisted interpretation, the Congress can force you to eat carrots because it is in the best interests of your "general welfare".

 

[bravoactual]

As Stated in The Preamble of The Constitution of The United States of America:

"We The People of The United States, In Order to Form A More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for The Common Defense, Promote The General Welfare and Secure The Blessings of Liberty To Ourselves and Our Posterity Do Ordain and Establish This Constitution of The United States."

Health Care is necessary for the General Welfare of the Poplulation.

I know....I know. The Constitution is just "A Damn Piece of Paper" until it comes to your right to kill, maim and destroy with guns and suppress the votes of Democrats.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

As Stated in The Preamble of The Constitution of The United States of America:

"We The People of The United States, In Order to Form A More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for The Common Defense, Promote The General Welfare and Secure The Blessings of Liberty To Ourselves and Our Posterity Do Ordain and Establish This Constitution of The United States."

Health Care is necessary for the General Welfare of the Poplulation.

I know....I know. The Constitution is just "A Damn Piece of Paper" until it comes to your right to kill, maim and destroy with guns and suppress the votes of Democrats.

That doesn't grant the Congress any specific legislative authority outside of taxation... that has already been decided by the SCOTUS over a century ago. Your argument is bogus.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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The Constitution affords Congress powers both enumerated and implied, Congress is consequently authorized to act in a regulatory manner to ensure the general welfare of the Nation.
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HAHAHA. Where does the constitution say anything about "implied powers" you moron.? Implied powers means anything and if that's what the FF wanted, they would have never listed the powers of congress. THINK

 

[ShootSpeeders]

As Stated in The Preamble of The Constitution of The United States of America:

"We The People of The United States, In Order to Form A More Perfect Union, Establish Justice, Insure Domestic Tranquility, Provide for The Common Defense, Promote The General Welfare and Secure The Blessings of Liberty To Ourselves and Our Posterity Do Ordain and Establish This Constitution of The United States."

Health Care is necessary for the General Welfare of the Poplulation.

HAHAHA. You still haven't produced any evidence that obozocare will in fact provide health care. It's not enough to say it's INTENDED to provide health care. Will it? More than half the country thinks it will destroy our health care system.

 

[regent]

The Court found Obama-care constitutional under the power to tax for the general welfare. The clause is found in Article one, section eight, clause one.
The are a number of implied powers, and many laws passed by Congress have been passed under the last clause of section eight. But those laws must usually must refer back to one of the first 17 powers.
The preamble has no powers, only a purpose.
Obama-care is the law of the land, Constitutional and all shippy-shape.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The Court found Obama-care constitutional under the power to tax for the general welfare. The clause is found in Article one, section eight, clause one.
The are a number of implied powers, .

There is no such thing as implied powers. Such a concept makes a mockery of the constitution.

Equally absurd is the idea of calling health care a tax!!!!

The court rubber-stamps everything the feds do. You can't allow one federal agency to decide if the actions of another federal agency are legit. The states must step in and say obozocare is void. Some are doing that.