Where The Money Scott Walker Is Cutting From Universities Is Going

[Andylusion]

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*crickets* Morons want to crush workers under the boot. That's right wing ideology for you. Socialism is feudalism rebranded? HOW THE HELL IS DEMOCRATIC CONTROL OF PRODUCTION FEUDALISM?

Retard.

What the hell does posting a random picture with no context have anything to do with actual facts? Here, I could do the same thing, this is capitalist haiti:
But, of course, you'll claim haiti isn't capitalist, or "crony capitalism" as your side likes to call things. If you get to pull that bullshit, as an actual socialist, I get to see what actual socialism is, as I've given examples of, and maybe you morons should read my post.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/01/13/stacks.haiti.explainer.gi.jpg

The results of your "democratic control of production" was bread lines. The picture was of soviet food shortages, and bread lines. Funny how I understand the context instantly but you were too ignorant to know.

 

[Socialist]

So, you are spewing bullshit without evidence? Who would of thought?

Nah, he's right. Everyone in the real working world knows this.

There's a reason why US pay-for-service colleges routinely out perform higher education colleges from around the world.

There's a reason why the private colleges routinely out perform the public university schools.

There's a reason why private k-12 schools out perform free public schools.

"Routinely out perform" On what scale? Mind giving evidence?
Yeah, "pay for service" so only cater to those who can afford it, fuck the rest.

Looking to Escape the High Cost of College These 7 Countries Will Educate You for Free Alternet

Here is a list of countries with Free College level education.

Brazil, France, Norway, Germany, Finland, Slovenia, and Sweden.

Seven countries that I've found. Out the schools from those countries.........

World Reputation Rankings 2015 results - Times Higher Education

World ranking of higher education schools.

Notice the first one, Harvard. A 100% private, pay-for-service school.

Out of the top 50 schools in the world... how many are from 'free-college' countries? Only FOUR. Three from Germany, and one from Sweden. The top one being 35th on the list.

Now how many are from the US? 26. More than half. 8 of the top 10 are US schools.

Now how many of those are private universities? 8 of the top 10, are private universities. Not public.

Do you need more evidence, or is this clear enough?

Yes, only those that can afford it. If Thomas Sowell, from a broken family, with no money, can work his way through Harvard... anyone can if they really want to.

Besides that, we have dozens of heavily funded public colleges. If it were possible to have a publicly funded college achieve the level of education that Harvard can.... then how about you people on the left, shut up.... and do it. But we've played it your way, sinking hundreds of billions into higher education for decades now, and you have failed over and over and over.

Why should people who are willing to work, and pay, for a better education, be penalized simply because your system sucks?

Reputation has nothing to do with results buddy.

Are you playing stupid, or actually are? The reputation was based on two thinks... teaching and research. Would you claim that research done by the school isn't important... or that teaching isn't? Which idiotic claim would you like to support?

I didn't know two "thinks" was an actual statement, might want to look into actually wording your post. None the less, actual results, in terms of graduation, going to get employed, student debt that students will have to carry, that's what matters, not subjective reputation chart on a random website.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Where The Money Scott Walker Is Cutting From Universities Is Going ThinkProgress

Money spent anywhere other than so called "universities", which amount to little more than Leftist Indoctrination centers, is better spent.

A trade school... would be a MAJOR improvement.

But a Basketball Stadium is as good as any. That will at least support itself... and produce something worth havin'.

 

[Andylusion]

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Don't fall into the trap of the labor theory of value. It is a logical fallacy.

How is the labor theory of value a logical fallacy? If you want to begin discussion On Marxist thought, be my guest, but you need to have an actual brain and have read his works first.

Which clearly if you don't know the logical fallacy of the labor theory of value.... then you clearly didn't have a brain when you read it, or now.

 

[francoHFW]

That's communism, brainwashed cold war dinosaur Pub dupe. The rest of the world knows socialism is democratic and NOT, SINCE ABOUT 1947.

No, that's socialism and what you advocate.

You seek to crush the average person under the boot of the elite like Soros, Obama, Pelosi, et al. You seek to enslave your fellow man in forced service to your masters. You seek to crush liberty and the ability of others to rise above their station.

You work to return us to the world where one born in poverty, dies in poverty. Where there is no hope, only the dreary misery of slavery. That's what you promote each and every day - even if you are too stupid to grasp it.

Like Obama? Are you fucking kidding me? Private sector growth surged under Obama, and he supported big businesses, how the hell is he socialist in any way, shape, or form. All socialism is: Democratic control of the means of production, as it was in the free ukraine, catalonia, modern day co-ops, the paris commune.. and keep putting forth this bullshit about crushing liberty, which is fine if you'r a cold war dino.

Well, Obama WANTS taxes on freeloading giant corps and the bloated rich (doing this is 2009 in the middleof a corrupt Pub meltdown was not a good idea), and certainly adding 17 million to free Medicaid are socialist. "We're all socialists now"- Finland PM when O-Care passed.

You are idealistic, but communism doesn't work. Socialism (do we have to call it democratic socialism or social democracy just for Americans?)works great. Reaganism doesn't.

 

[Socialist]

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*crickets* Morons want to crush workers under the boot. That's right wing ideology for you. Socialism is feudalism rebranded? HOW THE HELL IS DEMOCRATIC CONTROL OF PRODUCTION FEUDALISM?

Retard.

What the hell does posting a random picture with no context have anything to do with actual facts? Here, I could do the same thing, this is capitalist haiti:
But, of course, you'll claim haiti isn't capitalist, or "crony capitalism" as your side likes to call things. If you get to pull that bullshit, as an actual socialist, I get to see what actual socialism is, as I've given examples of, and maybe you morons should read my post.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/01/13/stacks.haiti.explainer.gi.jpg

The results of your "democratic control of production" was bread lines. The picture was of soviet food shortages, and bread lines. Funny how I understand the context instantly but you were too ignorant to know.

I knew exactly what the picture was of, and the USSR didn't have democratic control of production, it was primarily a totalitarian state adhering to state capitalism, no disagreements there, but you would call me out if I gave you a picture of breadlines in somalia, a country without taxes and unregulated capitalism, and you would claim it's not, be honest.

 

[Socialist]

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Don't fall into the trap of the labor theory of value. It is a logical fallacy.

How is the labor theory of value a logical fallacy? If you want to begin discussion On Marxist thought, be my guest, but you need to have an actual brain and have read his works first.

Which clearly if you don't know the logical fallacy of the labor theory of value.... then you clearly didn't have a brain when you read it, or now.

You clearly haven't read it, if all you can consistently assert is that the LTV is a logical fallacy, while not even bothering to go into detail.

 

[Socialist]

Why is there such a disdain for the average working person? The usmb is full of posters who show nothing favorable to anything that helps out the working class person and favor those things that benefit those at the top. Where does this twisted sick mentality come from? SS bad, Medicare bad, unions bad, education overrated, cut health insurance, benefits bad, the list goes on. I don't understand the negativity towards the average person working their tales off to barely scrape by and are no farther ahead than they were 10 years ago. Why the hatred?'

It's horrifying. It mainly comes from this perverse idea that everyone who is wealthy earned it off their own backs, and multi billionaires who hire third world workers to do their labor that gives them profit are meaningless.

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Oh jesus christ, do you know who the walton family is? The CEO of nestle? The owners of sweatshops? Fuck, all of the work is done by laborers, actual people, and the CEO's reap the profits off of the laborers, while doing very little for what they earn.

 

[Socialist]

Why is there such a disdain for the average working person? The usmb is full of posters who show nothing favorable to anything that helps out the working class person and favor those things that benefit those at the top. Where does this twisted sick mentality come from? SS bad, Medicare bad, unions bad, education overrated, cut health insurance, benefits bad, the list goes on. I don't understand the negativity towards the average person working their tales off to barely scrape by and are no farther ahead than they were 10 years ago. Why the hatred?'

It's horrifying. It mainly comes from this perverse idea that everyone who is wealthy earned it off their own backs, and multi billionaires who hire third world workers to do their labor that gives them profit are meaningless.

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Oh jesus christ, do you know who the walton family is? The CEO of nestle? The owners of sweatshops? Fuck, all of the work is done by laborers, actual people, and the CEO's reap the profits off of the laborers, while doing very little for what they earn.

I'll actually be honest here, not all CEO'S are horrible people, some do work hard, but even then, if the CEO of a multinational corporation that relies on sweatshops works 40 hours a week, fuck him, he's still an evil person.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What the hell are you defining as socialism?

Ownership or control of the means of production by the state or central authorty.

North korea is not socialist, they're a theocratic totalitarian state,

Socialism is totalitarian by nature and cannot exist outside of an authoritarian state. Even a Kibbutz is authoritarian.

And are you SERIOUSLY trying to sell the fiction that North Korea does not own the means of production?

ROFL.

cuba has some elements of cooperative democratic control of production, same with venezuela, but it's hardly noticeable, the USSR went to state capitalism with Stalin, not socialism, if we get to use such hogwash, I will proudly say Somalia is a prime example of no taxes and no regulations on capitalists. Oh wait, it is... See, the thing with your bullshit is, the majority of the cuban population supported the castro's, and after the castro's took power, life expectancy increased, healthcare increased, infant mortality went down, housing went up for people, as did food intake, extreme poverty was reduced.. Same case in venezuela, and I don't even support these countries, BUT I'M NOT A LIAR. So, by what measure are you looking at this from?

Yes, you have an idealized fantasy of a nirvana you wish existed - but it does not. Socialism is nothing more, or less, than the repackaging of feudalism to be sold to the stupid. You bought out the stocks.

Oh, and the USSR turned to fascism before Stalin, Lenin instituted the NEP after the utter disaster in Petrograd after real Communism was deployed in the hapless city. Brush up on your history, Comrade. Stalin merely continued the NEP, though he repeated the mistakes of Lenin on several occasions, such as the collectivization of food production - what was the result of that wonderful bout of socialism? 11 million dead?

And lying about Venezuela certainly doesn't bolster your already weak case;

{One of the many byproducts of Venezuela’s acute political and financial crisis is food truck looting, a pattern that is plaguing the country’s highways with chaos and fear.}
Hungry desperate Venezuelans are targeting and looting food trucks Fox News Latino

Ah socialism, bringing starvation and misery to the peasants wherever it is deployed.

But don't you worry, the Nobility lives in opulence - as is ALWAYS the case in socialist shit holes.

 

[Socialist]

What the hell are you defining as socialism?

Ownership or control of the means of production by the state or central authorty.

North korea is not socialist, they're a theocratic totalitarian state,

Socialism is totalitarian by nature and cannot exist outside of an authoritarian state. Even a Kibbutz is authoritarian.

And are you SERIOUSLY trying to sell the fiction that North Korea does not own the means of production?

ROFL.

cuba has some elements of cooperative democratic control of production, same with venezuela, but it's hardly noticeable, the USSR went to state capitalism with Stalin, not socialism, if we get to use such hogwash, I will proudly say Somalia is a prime example of no taxes and no regulations on capitalists. Oh wait, it is... See, the thing with your bullshit is, the majority of the cuban population supported the castro's, and after the castro's took power, life expectancy increased, healthcare increased, infant mortality went down, housing went up for people, as did food intake, extreme poverty was reduced.. Same case in venezuela, and I don't even support these countries, BUT I'M NOT A LIAR. So, by what measure are you looking at this from?

Yes, you have an idealized fantasy of a nirvana you wish existed - but it does not. Socialism is nothing more, or less, than the repackaging of feudalism to be sold to the stupid. You bought out the stocks.

Oh, and the USSR turned to fascism before Stalin, Lenin instituted the NEP after the utter disaster in Petrograd after real Communism was deployed in the hapless city. Brush up on your history, Comrade. Stalin merely continued the NEP, though he repeated the mistakes of Lenin on several occasions, such as the collectivization of food production - what was the result of that wonderful bout of socialism? 11 million dead?

And lying about Venezuela certainly doesn't bolster your already weak case;

{One of the many byproducts of Venezuela’s acute political and financial crisis is food truck looting, a pattern that is plaguing the country’s highways with chaos and fear.}
Hungry desperate Venezuelans are targeting and looting food trucks Fox News Latino

Ah socialism, bringing starvation and misery to the peasants wherever it is deployed.

But don't you worry, the Nobility lives in opulence - as is ALWAYS the case in socialist shit holes.

Oh lord.
Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democraticpolitical system alongside a socialisteconomic system, involving a combination of political democracy with social ownership of the means of production. Sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", the adjective "democratic" is added to distinguish democratic socialism from Marxist-Leninist Communism.[1] Try Again.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Walmart raised the wage to a laughable amount, at a funny time to, when wage protests are heating up, when stories about walmart employees and there reliance on welfare are coming out... Are you seriously supporting walmart?

So, the minimum wage is the only reason people survive - but 24% above the minimum wage is a laughable amount?

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, in your quest to return to feudalism.

 

[BluesLegend]

Why is there such a disdain for the average working person? The usmb is full of posters who show nothing favorable to anything that helps out the working class person and favor those things that benefit those at the top. Where does this twisted sick mentality come from? SS bad, Medicare bad, unions bad, education overrated, cut health insurance, benefits bad, the list goes on. I don't understand the negativity towards the average person working their tales off to barely scrape by and are no farther ahead than they were 10 years ago. Why the hatred?'

It's horrifying. It mainly comes from this perverse idea that everyone who is wealthy earned it off their own backs, and multi billionaires who hire third world workers to do their labor that gives them profit are meaningless.

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Oh jesus christ, do you know who the walton family is? The CEO of nestle? The owners of sweatshops? Fuck, all of the work is done by laborers, actual people, and the CEO's reap the profits off of the laborers, while doing very little for what they earn.

So? Sucks to be them, they can start their own company and be their own CEO.

 

[Andylusion]

Nah, he's right. Everyone in the real working world knows this.

There's a reason why US pay-for-service colleges routinely out perform higher education colleges from around the world.

There's a reason why the private colleges routinely out perform the public university schools.

There's a reason why private k-12 schools out perform free public schools.

"Routinely out perform" On what scale? Mind giving evidence?
Yeah, "pay for service" so only cater to those who can afford it, fuck the rest.

Looking to Escape the High Cost of College These 7 Countries Will Educate You for Free Alternet

Here is a list of countries with Free College level education.

Brazil, France, Norway, Germany, Finland, Slovenia, and Sweden.

Seven countries that I've found. Out the schools from those countries.........

World Reputation Rankings 2015 results - Times Higher Education

World ranking of higher education schools.

Notice the first one, Harvard. A 100% private, pay-for-service school.

Out of the top 50 schools in the world... how many are from 'free-college' countries? Only FOUR. Three from Germany, and one from Sweden. The top one being 35th on the list.

Now how many are from the US? 26. More than half. 8 of the top 10 are US schools.

Now how many of those are private universities? 8 of the top 10, are private universities. Not public.

Do you need more evidence, or is this clear enough?

Yes, only those that can afford it. If Thomas Sowell, from a broken family, with no money, can work his way through Harvard... anyone can if they really want to.

Besides that, we have dozens of heavily funded public colleges. If it were possible to have a publicly funded college achieve the level of education that Harvard can.... then how about you people on the left, shut up.... and do it. But we've played it your way, sinking hundreds of billions into higher education for decades now, and you have failed over and over and over.

Why should people who are willing to work, and pay, for a better education, be penalized simply because your system sucks?

Reputation has nothing to do with results buddy.

Are you playing stupid, or actually are? The reputation was based on two thinks... teaching and research. Would you claim that research done by the school isn't important... or that teaching isn't? Which idiotic claim would you like to support?

I didn't know two "thinks" was an actual statement, might want to look into actually wording your post. None the less, actual results, in terms of graduation, going to get employed, student debt that students will have to carry, that's what matters, not subjective reputation chart on a random website.

The fact that the best you can do, is point out irrelevant typos, shows how bankrupt you are intillectually. You've had your face bashed in by every poster you've talked to, for the past dozens posts. I'm not surprised you are grasping at anything now.

Student debt, is not relevant to the quality of the school.

Are you saying that a school that does zero research on anything, and has no teachers, would score higher if the student debt was zero?

What s Better than Getting Into Harvard Not Having to Pay For It - Forbes

Three fourths of Princeton students graduate debt free, with the other fourth possessing loans that average five to six thousand.

So I guess that claim doesn't even help your argument.

I also don't agree that post-education employment means anything either. A degree never get's you a job. What get's you a job, is having skills, and people skills, and a drive.

If you can't relate to people very well, it doesn't matter what degree you have from where. If you don't have actual job skills... the ability to get up, ON TIME, and get to the job ON TIME, and perform solid work ALL DAY... then you are going to have a hard time getting a job.

If you are not social, you will have a hard time. Being a team player, is more important, than having skill. You might be the best whatever, on the face of G-d's green Earth, but if you walk in all arrogant, and self-absorbed, you are not going to get a job very easy.

And lastly drive. You must have drive. You come in, eyes on the floor, with your shirt not tucked in, and without a belt on, and mumbling 'hello' in a weak voice, handing a dead fish to the person you meet.... you are not getting the job, now matter if you were top of the class at Harvard 4 years straight.

I judge schools based on what the SCHOOL does. Not what the students do after they leave school

Now I get it, if every single student comes out unable to get a job, because their degree is worthless to the private market... there's a problem there. But you can't tell me that Harvard has such a bad reputation, that people are ignoring the degrees they issue. Which again, is why reputation is counted to begin is why you look at 'teaching' and 'research'. No one says "Oh those Harvard degrees are worthless".

 

[Socialist]

Walmart raised the wage to a laughable amount, at a funny time to, when wage protests are heating up, when stories about walmart employees and there reliance on welfare are coming out... Are you seriously supporting walmart?

So, the minimum wage is the only reason people survive - but 24% above the minimum wage is a laughable amount?

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, in your quest to return to feudalism.

The minimum wage is barely livable, let alone if someone has kids. That's why we have welfare, food stamps, loans, etc, etc... It is a laughable amount, look at productivity,what wages should be, the cost of living... Capitalists want to return to feudalism by removing regulations.

 

[Socialist]

"Routinely out perform" On what scale? Mind giving evidence?
Yeah, "pay for service" so only cater to those who can afford it, fuck the rest.

Looking to Escape the High Cost of College These 7 Countries Will Educate You for Free Alternet

Here is a list of countries with Free College level education.

Brazil, France, Norway, Germany, Finland, Slovenia, and Sweden.

Seven countries that I've found. Out the schools from those countries.........

World Reputation Rankings 2015 results - Times Higher Education

World ranking of higher education schools.

Notice the first one, Harvard. A 100% private, pay-for-service school.

Out of the top 50 schools in the world... how many are from 'free-college' countries? Only FOUR. Three from Germany, and one from Sweden. The top one being 35th on the list.

Now how many are from the US? 26. More than half. 8 of the top 10 are US schools.

Now how many of those are private universities? 8 of the top 10, are private universities. Not public.

Do you need more evidence, or is this clear enough?

Yes, only those that can afford it. If Thomas Sowell, from a broken family, with no money, can work his way through Harvard... anyone can if they really want to.

Besides that, we have dozens of heavily funded public colleges. If it were possible to have a publicly funded college achieve the level of education that Harvard can.... then how about you people on the left, shut up.... and do it. But we've played it your way, sinking hundreds of billions into higher education for decades now, and you have failed over and over and over.

Why should people who are willing to work, and pay, for a better education, be penalized simply because your system sucks?

Reputation has nothing to do with results buddy.

Are you playing stupid, or actually are? The reputation was based on two thinks... teaching and research. Would you claim that research done by the school isn't important... or that teaching isn't? Which idiotic claim would you like to support?

I didn't know two "thinks" was an actual statement, might want to look into actually wording your post. None the less, actual results, in terms of graduation, going to get employed, student debt that students will have to carry, that's what matters, not subjective reputation chart on a random website.

The fact that the best you can do, is point out irrelevant typos, shows how bankrupt you are intillectually. You've had your face bashed in by every poster you've talked to, for the past dozens posts. I'm not surprised you are grasping at anything now.

Student debt, is not relevant to the quality of the school.

Are you saying that a school that does zero research on anything, and has no teachers, would score higher if the student debt was zero?

What s Better than Getting Into Harvard Not Having to Pay For It - Forbes

Three fourths of Princeton students graduate debt free, with the other fourth possessing loans that average five to six thousand.

So I guess that claim doesn't even help your argument.

I also don't agree that post-education employment means anything either. A degree never get's you a job. What get's you a job, is having skills, and people skills, and a drive.

If you can't relate to people very well, it doesn't matter what degree you have from where. If you don't have actual job skills... the ability to get up, ON TIME, and get to the job ON TIME, and perform solid work ALL DAY... then you are going to have a hard time getting a job.

If you are not social, you will have a hard time. Being a team player, is more important, than having skill. You might be the best whatever, on the face of G-d's green Earth, but if you walk in all arrogant, and self-absorbed, you are not going to get a job very easy.

And lastly drive. You must have drive. You come in, eyes on the floor, with your shirt not tucked in, and without a belt on, and mumbling 'hello' in a weak voice, handing a dead fish to the person you meet.... you are not getting the job, now matter if you were top of the class at Harvard 4 years straight.

I judge schools based on what the SCHOOL does. Not what the students do after they leave school

Now I get it, if every single student comes out unable to get a job, because their degree is worthless to the private market... there's a problem there. But you can't tell me that Harvard has such a bad reputation, that people are ignoring the degrees they issue. Which again, is why reputation is counted to begin is why you look at 'teaching' and 'research'. No one says "Oh those Harvard degrees are worthless".

Still not one piece of anything giving evidence of results, just a random website with reputation from subjective people.

 

[Andylusion]

Walmart raised the wage to a laughable amount, at a funny time to, when wage protests are heating up, when stories about walmart employees and there reliance on welfare are coming out... Are you seriously supporting walmart?

So, the minimum wage is the only reason people survive - but 24% above the minimum wage is a laughable amount?

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, in your quest to return to feudalism.

He really does. He just says random crap, that all contradicts. "Well this matters" Oh well then how about this?

"well it doesn't matter in that case, but it matters in any other case... in fact it only matters when it supports what I believe, and doesn't matter when it doesn't. Socialism is great, unless it's not, and then it's not socialism anymore!"

Leftards. At least they show themselves for what they are pretty quick.

 

[Socialist]

Why is there such a disdain for the average working person? The usmb is full of posters who show nothing favorable to anything that helps out the working class person and favor those things that benefit those at the top. Where does this twisted sick mentality come from? SS bad, Medicare bad, unions bad, education overrated, cut health insurance, benefits bad, the list goes on. I don't understand the negativity towards the average person working their tales off to barely scrape by and are no farther ahead than they were 10 years ago. Why the hatred?'

It's horrifying. It mainly comes from this perverse idea that everyone who is wealthy earned it off their own backs, and multi billionaires who hire third world workers to do their labor that gives them profit are meaningless.

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Oh jesus christ, do you know who the walton family is? The CEO of nestle? The owners of sweatshops? Fuck, all of the work is done by laborers, actual people, and the CEO's reap the profits off of the laborers, while doing very little for what they earn.

So? Sucks to be them, they can start their own company and be their own CEO.

This is the mentality that scares me, can you imagine? Stupid slaves, they should stop bitching and start their own plantation.

 

[BluesLegend]

Why is there such a disdain for the average working person? The usmb is full of posters who show nothing favorable to anything that helps out the working class person and favor those things that benefit those at the top. Where does this twisted sick mentality come from? SS bad, Medicare bad, unions bad, education overrated, cut health insurance, benefits bad, the list goes on. I don't understand the negativity towards the average person working their tales off to barely scrape by and are no farther ahead than they were 10 years ago. Why the hatred?'

It's horrifying. It mainly comes from this perverse idea that everyone who is wealthy earned it off their own backs, and multi billionaires who hire third world workers to do their labor that gives them profit are meaningless.

When I see any of you people work a fraction as hard as I've seen the wealthy, I might consider what you say to be worth my time.

Oh jesus christ, do you know who the walton family is? The CEO of nestle? The owners of sweatshops? Fuck, all of the work is done by laborers, actual people, and the CEO's reap the profits off of the laborers, while doing very little for what they earn.

So? Sucks to be them, they can start their own company and be their own CEO.

This is the mentality that scares me, can you imagine? Stupid slaves, they should stop bitching and start their own plantation.

Son that's how this country became great, the world you describe sounds like life on a government plantation.

 

[Socialist]

Walmart raised the wage to a laughable amount, at a funny time to, when wage protests are heating up, when stories about walmart employees and there reliance on welfare are coming out... Are you seriously supporting walmart?

So, the minimum wage is the only reason people survive - but 24% above the minimum wage is a laughable amount?

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, in your quest to return to feudalism.

He really does. He just says random crap, that all contradicts. "Well this matters" Oh well then how about this?

"well it doesn't matter in that case, but it matters in any other case... in fact it only matters when it supports what I believe, and doesn't matter when it doesn't. Socialism is great, unless it's not, and then it's not socialism anymore!"

Leftards. At least they show themselves for what they are pretty quick.

Are you kidding me? By definition, socialism calls for democratic control of production by the people, not authoritarian states.

Walmart raised the wage to a laughable amount, at a funny time to, when wage protests are heating up, when stories about walmart employees and there reliance on welfare are coming out... Are you seriously supporting walmart?

So, the minimum wage is the only reason people survive - but 24% above the minimum wage is a laughable amount?

You seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth, in your quest to return to feudalism.

He really does. He just says random crap, that all contradicts. "Well this matters" Oh well then how about this?

"well it doesn't matter in that case, but it matters in any other case... in fact it only matters when it supports what I believe, and doesn't matter when it doesn't. Socialism is great, unless it's not, and then it's not socialism anymore!"

Leftards. At least they show themselves for what they are pretty quick.

Alright, let's get something clear: I am a democratic socialist, I am not a Leninist, I am not a Trotskyist, I do not support what cuba/north korea/venezuela are doing as of this moment, but socialism, as it is discussed by actual socialists, refers to democratic control of production by the working class, not totalitarian states. How have i contradicted myself? I have remained honest. I can't get over how you guys continually ignore my postings on somalia and haiti, two capitalist countries with little to no taxes (somalia) and no regulations on capitalists (barely any, somalia has none) so my point is, you do accept that those are examples of your utopia, right? I'm just going by your logic.