Where was the armed security guard at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High?

[ChrisL]

Quote where I said that please. Thanks.

No, it's in your post. You can find it.

Can't prove your accusation, eh? Too funny.

 

[hjmick]

Some people have "it", some people don't...

 

[Dale Smith]

I know you WISH that wasn't so

Excuse you, fuckface. Is that how big girls talk to people?

What are you going to do about it? Nothing? Lol. Your name calling shows your weakness. Mwa ha ha.

You vile accusation shows your weakness. Can't support your argument, so you make vile accusations.

STFU, you gutless pussy. You never bring anything of worth to a discussion and then you whine like a little girl when you get back what you give.

 

[ChrisL]

This situation also shows how you CANNOT always rely on the police or government authorities to protect your ass.

But we CAN rely on government employees like teachers to save our asses. got it. Yessir... when things get hot and heavy, I want me a high school social studies teacher to hide behind! Makes perfect sense, if you don't think about it.

Better than someone who would cower outside, afraid to go in. When you are fighting for your life and the lives of those you care about, you would be surprised at what you can do. Not to mention, a lot of teachers do in fact have training and a lot of them are former military.

Actually, in my experience, very few teachers are ex-military, myself being the exception. I finally met an Army Reservist who was a 6th grade science teacher.

I was one of two Deans of Boys at a school with about 1600 boys in northern Florida. We were unique that I was an ex-Navy officer and the other was an ex-Army Ranger officer.

Vets go from the front lines to the front of the class

 

[ChrisL]

I know you WISH that wasn't so

Excuse you, fuckface. Is that how big girls talk to people?

What are you going to do about it? Nothing? Lol. Your name calling shows your weakness. Mwa ha ha.

You vile accusation shows your weakness. Can't support your argument, so you make vile accusations.

STFU, you gutless pussy. You never bring anything of worth to a discussion and then you whine like a little girl when you get back what you give.

This guy. He thinks he is dealing with an amateur or somethin.

 

[ChrisL]

I just LOVE it when people underestimate me.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is just liberal anti gun propaganda, as everyone knows.

Nope, its a fact. what everyone DOES know is that a pseudo-conservative like you will say ANYTHING, true or false.

"gun violence problem? No worries! Mr Higgins, the calculus teacher, and his friend mrs. Walker Texas ranger from the US Message board will shoot all those baddies for ya!"


Feckin absurd...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Can't prove your accusation, eh? Too funny.

Don't need to. Anyone can read it in , I think, your 3rd post of the thread. they can make up their own minds.

yes, you are an amateur. Unless making up shit on USMB has suddenly become a profession...

 

[Brain357]

Once again a good guy with a gun was there and still so many casualties. We need to regulate weapons for mass killing!

 

[April]

I just LOVE it when people underestimate me.

oh ffs...you are NOTHING but a big mouth.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

School Resource Officer Scott Peterson was elsewhere on the 45-acre campus during the attack that left 17 dead and 16 wounded, Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said Friday.

“Staff and everyone responded quickly,” Runcie said, based on a briefing by the Broward Sheriff’s Office. “The SRO was communicated with but was on another part of campus.”

Peterson, a deputy with the Broward Sheriff’s Office Parkland district, has been the SRO at Stoneman Douglas High since 2009.

He could not be reached for comment Friday.

School resource officer was elsewhere on campus during shooting, Runcie says

So, the school did have an armed security guard. He was communicated with but was on another part of campus when shooting started? Forty-five acres ain't that big. Why didn't he ever confront the shooter? This just doesn't smell right.

"Forty-five acres ain't that big." Ding Dong alert.

City boy.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Fail on so many levels

 

[Brain357]

It would not surprise me at all if we were to hear, days, weeks, or months from now that he took his own life...

If the gym teacher who used his body to stop bullets....and died doing it, could have been armed....he could have stopped the killer.......

And if the killer didn't have a weapon for mass killing with high capacity magazines he wouldn't have killed so many. I heard one father say his daughter was shot 9 times. And I bet the asshole didn't even have to reload for many more deaths. No lawful use for these weapons.

 

[Contumacious]

ARMED OFFICER DID “NOTHING” IN PARKLAND SHOOTING

Armed Officer Assigned To Stoneman Douglas Resigns Amid Shooting Investigation

So sad.

APOLOGIZE TO TRUMP AND THE NRA FOR FALSELY ACCUSING THEM.


.

 

[ChrisL]

I just LOVE it when people underestimate me.

oh ffs...you are NOTHING but a big mouth.

Ok crazy lady!

 

[ChrisL]

Can't prove your accusation, eh? Too funny.

Don't need to. Anyone can read it in , I think, your 3rd post of the thread. they can make up their own minds.

yes, you are an amateur. Unless making up shit on USMB has suddenly become a profession...

Are you referring to this sentence?

I know you WISH that wasn't so, but shooting a gun isn't rocket science.

Again, I suggest some reading comprehension. This just proves my initial statement about your "misunderstanding." Your error, not mine. Lol.

 

[JimH52]

He's already been fired. And, I don't understand why the hell he stayed outside the building for a full 4 min. while the kids inside the building were being slaughtered.

Not only is he an embarrassment to police officers everywhere, he's also a coward and a pussy. A teacher got killed trying to save his students, and this idiot sits outside of the building while it's getting shot up.

Police officers have bulletproof vests. Teachers don't. And did you know this jackass made over 76,000/yr.?

Of course, the NRA and the RW loons will just argue that there wasn't enough guns. Right...

This guy will need to live with this the rest of his miserable life. I think of all those policemen and firemen who ran into the Twin towers shortly before they fell. The knew there was a chance they wouldn't come out alive. This guy is....well...I don't have a word for it.

 

[2aguy]

It would not surprise me at all if we were to hear, days, weeks, or months from now that he took his own life...

If the gym teacher who used his body to stop bullets....and died doing it, could have been armed....he could have stopped the killer.......

And if the killer didn't have a weapon for mass killing with high capacity magazines he wouldn't have killed so many. I heard one father say his daughter was shot 9 times. And I bet the asshole didn't even have to reload for many more deaths. No lawful use for these weapons.

Blah blah blah....he could have murdered more people if he had used a rental truck....

The High School shooter used a rifle and murdered 17...

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France used a rental truck and murdered 86.....

The magazine limit bullshit you preach is a lie.......You know it, since you have been shown the research, but you keep lying about it...showing us that you are a troll....
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1525107116674926

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.
LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.
In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.
Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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How Often Have Bystanders Intervened While a Mass Shooter Was Trying to Reload?

First, we consider the issue of how many times people have disrupted a mass shooting while the shooter was trying to load a detachable magazine into a semiautomatic gun.

Note that 16 it is irrelevant whether interveners have stopped a shooter while trying to reload some other type of gun, using other kinds of magazines, since we are addressing the potential significance of restrictions on the capacity of detachable magazines which are used only with semiautomatic firearms.

Thus, bystander intervention directed at shooters using other types of guns that take much longer to reload than a semiautomatic gun using detachable magazines could not provide any guidance as to the likelihood of bystander intervention when the shooter was using a semiautomatic gun equipped with detachable magazines that can be reloaded very quickly.

Prospective interveners would presumably be more likely to tackle a shooter who took a long time to reload than one who took only 2-4 seconds to do so.

Likewise, bystander interventions that occurred at a time when the shooter was not reloading (e.g., when he was struggling with a defective gun or magazine) are irrelevant, since that kind of intervention could occur regardless of what kinds of magazines or firearms the shooter was using.


It is the need to reload detachable magazines sooner and more often that differentiates shooters using smaller detachable magazines from those using larger ones.

For the period 1994-2013 inclusive, we identified three mass shooting incidents in which it was claimed that interveners disrupted the shooting by tackling the shooter while he was trying to reload.

In only one of the three cases, however, did interveners actually tackle the shooter while he may have been reloading a semiautomatic firearm.

In one of the incidents, the weapon in question was a shotgun that had to be reloaded by inserting one shotshell at a time into the weapon (Knoxville News Sentinel “Takedown of Alleged Shooter Recounted” July 29, 2008, regarding a shooting in Knoxville, TN on July 27, 2008), and so the incident is irrelevant to the effects of detachable LCMs.


In another incident, occurring in Springfield, Oregon on May 21, 1998, the shooter, Kip Kinkel, was using a semiautomatic gun, and he was tackled by bystanders, but not while he was reloading.

After exhausting the ammunition in one gun, the shooter started 17 firing another loaded gun, one of three firearms he had with him.

The first intervener was shot in the hand in the course of wresting this still-loaded gun away from the shooter (The (Portland) Oregonian, May 23, 1998).


The final case occurred in Tucson, AZ on January 8, 2011.

This is the shooting in which Jared Loughner attempted to assassinate Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

The shooter was using a semiautomatic firearm and was tackled by bystanders, purportedly while trying to reload a detachable magazine.

Even in this case, however, there were important uncertainties.

According to one news account, one bystander “grabbed a full magazine” that the shooter dropped, and two others helped subdue him (Associated Press, January 9, 2011).

It is not, however, clear whether this bystander intervention was facilitated because

(1) the shooter was reloading, or because

(2) the shooter stopping firing when his gun or magazine failed to function properly.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of the interveners, was inconsistent as to exactly why or how the intervention transpired in Giffords shooting.

One intervener insisted that he was sure the shooter had exhausted the ammunition in the first magazine (and thus was about to reload) because he saw the gun’s slide locked back – a condition he believed could only occur with this particular firearm after the last round is fired.

In fact, this can also happen when the guns jams, i.e. fails to chamber the next round (Salzgeber 2014; Morrill 2014).

Complicating matters further, the New York Times reported that the spring on the second magazine was broken, presumably rendering it incapable of functioning.

Their story’s headline and text characterized this mechanical failure as “perhaps the only fortunate event of the day” (New York Times “A Single, Terrifying Moment: Shots, Scuffle, Some Luck,” January 10, 2011, p. A1)

. If the New York Times account was accurate, the shooter would not have been able to continue shooting with that magazine even if no one had stopped him from loading it into his gun.

Detachable magazines of any size can malfunction, which would at least temporarily stop a prospective mass shooter from firing, and thereby provide an opportunity for bystanders to stop the shooter.
It is possible that the bystander intervention in the Tucson case could have occurred regardless of what size magazines the shooter possessed, since a shooter struggling with a defective small-capacity magazine would be just as vulnerable to disruption as one struggling with a defective large-capacity magazine. Thus, it remains unclear whether the shooter was reloading when the bystanders tackled him.
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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[Dale Smith]

I just LOVE it when people underestimate me.

oh ffs...you are NOTHING but a big mouth.

ChrisL rocks it.....I am a huge fan of her posts.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

And if the killer didn't have a weapon for mass killing with high capacity magazines he wouldn't have killed so many. I heard one father say his daughter was shot 9 times. And I bet the asshole didn't even have to reload for many more deaths. No lawful use for these weapons.

If...if....if.....
Guns are a reality. You aren't going to "IF" them away.

Americans know that there is this thing called a "Constitution" they live under (you wouldn't have a clue)

You want to play IFs ?????

ok....IF......Venezuelans had had AR15's, they wouldn't have a DICTATOR now.

IF some of the teachers had had AR15's, maybe only the gunman would have died.