Which is better?

majority rules or minority rules. there is no other option in human civilization, so which is it?

comments please.

Neither.

Our Constitutional Republic is the most desirable form of government, where citizens are subject to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly.

Our rights are inalienable, they can be neither taken nor bestowed by any government, constitution, or man.

Consequently, one’s rights are not subject to majority rule, the majority does not determine whether one will have his rights or not, and one does not forfeit his rights as a consequence of his jurisdiction of residence.

The people are required, through either elected representatives or referenda, to enact measures that conform to Constitutional case law, and failing to do so, such measures offensive to the Constitution, are to be invalidated by the courts.

Geez, what is it with you people? our constitutional republic was set up by a MAJORITY vote of the 13 colonies. If it was set up by a minority we would be living in a monarchy or dictatorship.

majority rules does not mean that a majority can stomp on the rights of the minority.

Damn----you guys make my head hurt :confused::confused:
 
"Protection of" and "rule by" are two completely different things. Which one is your point?

If you believe we were founded to get away from minority rule, then according to Katz, we're based on "mob rule". Doesn't make sense to me either but he has yet to explain it. :dunno:

I don't agree that majority rule is mob rule though. Not when we have a Constitution that acknowledges and protects the unalienable rights of the individual. As long as everybody's unalienable rights are recognized and protected, then the ONLY logical way to decide on policy or what sort of society we will have HAS to depend on the majority vote.

When you protect unalienable rights, the majority cannot force upon the minority any policy or concept or process that does not apply to all equally, including all those in the majority.

So if the majority votes to have a traffic light in their community, the majority is just as subject to the dictates and consequences of that light as is the minority who might have opposed it.

If the majority votes to make public buildings smoke free, nobody in the majority can smoke any more than can the minority who might have opposed the regulation.

Under the Constitution, theoretically the majority cannot vote for the minority to get a benefit that the majority does not get; nor can the majority vote for a minority to pay more in taxes or be subject to other laws that do not apply to the majority. And it is HERE that we start running into serious conflicts and divisiveness in our country because so many are unable to grasp that simple principle.

Likely because the bolded makes no sense.

hate to agree with you but affirmative action makes his statement incorrect.
 
The majority is always right because .....duh....The Constitution says so.

The majority wasn’t right with regard to segregation, something the Constitution was very clear on.

wrong again, a majority overturned segregation. segregation was a minority view---------and the majority ruled on it------------duh!

Go look up the public opinion in 1954 of Americans. You will find the majority were not happy with Brown. You made the affirmation, it's your burden.
 
The majority wasn’t right with regard to segregation, something the Constitution was very clear on.

wrong again, a majority overturned segregation. segregation was a minority view---------and the majority ruled on it------------duh!

Go look up the public opinion in 1954 of Americans. You will find the majority were not happy with Brown. You made the affirmation, it's your burden.

its not about opinions, its about votes.. a majority voted to end segregation.

as to your 1954 poll, many people fear change of any kind even when they agree that the change needs to be made. I lived through that time, did you?
 
thanks for the comments so far. a couple of you get it, but most do not.

this country was founded to get away from minority rule under kings and dictators. We formed a republic that protects the rights of everyone, including minorities, BUT elects its leaders and decides on its laws based on what the majority wants.

Today we seem to be going overboard in minority wiew protection while ignoring the views of the majority.

No we do not.
 
wrong again, a majority overturned segregation. segregation was a minority view---------and the majority ruled on it------------duh!

Go look up the public opinion in 1954 of Americans. You will find the majority were not happy with Brown. You made the affirmation, it's your burden.

its not about opinions, its about votes.. a majority voted to end segregation.

as to your 1954 poll, many people fear change of any kind even when they agree that the change needs to be made. I lived through that time, did you?

SCOTUS voted unanimously. The people did not accept it for almost twenty years.

You are running around in circles.
 
thanks for the comments so far. a couple of you get it, but most do not.

this country was founded to get away from minority rule under kings and dictators. We formed a republic that protects the rights of everyone, including minorities, BUT elects its leaders and decides on its laws based on what the majority wants.

Today we seem to be going overboard in minority wiew protection while ignoring the views of the majority.

"Protection of" and "rule by" are two completely different things. Which one is your point?

If you believe we were founded to get away from minority rule, then according to Katz, we're based on "mob rule". Doesn't make sense to me either but he has yet to explain it. :dunno:

why is this so hard for you? the constitution protects minority rights but it does not give them precedence over majority rights.

we make our laws and elect our leaders by majority vote.

currently we have allowed the liberal view to override the constitution. We are rapidly moving to a system of minority rule, exactly what the founders came here to get away from.

Liberals are the majority. You are wrong.
 
thanks for the comments so far. a couple of you get it, but most do not.

this country was founded to get away from minority rule under kings and dictators. We formed a republic that protects the rights of everyone, including minorities, BUT elects its leaders and decides on its laws based on what the majority wants.

Today we seem to be going overboard in minority wiew protection while ignoring the views of the majority.

No we do not.

really? do you support the discrimination called affirmative action? do you think people today should be punished to "get even" for something that might have been done by their great great grandfathers?

what is it about equal opportunity that gives you pause?
 
Go look up the public opinion in 1954 of Americans. You will find the majority were not happy with Brown. You made the affirmation, it's your burden.

its not about opinions, its about votes.. a majority voted to end segregation.

as to your 1954 poll, many people fear change of any kind even when they agree that the change needs to be made. I lived through that time, did you?

SCOTUS voted unanimously. The people did not accept it for almost twenty years.

You are running around in circles.

no circles here, our system says that a majority ruling of the SCOTUS is binding on everyone----------a majority set up the role of the SCOTUS.

Our country is based on a system of majority decides--------I guess its the word "rules" that if giving so many of you a problem.
 
"Protection of" and "rule by" are two completely different things. Which one is your point?

If you believe we were founded to get away from minority rule, then according to Katz, we're based on "mob rule". Doesn't make sense to me either but he has yet to explain it. :dunno:

why is this so hard for you? the constitution protects minority rights but it does not give them precedence over majority rights.

we make our laws and elect our leaders by majority vote.

currently we have allowed the liberal view to override the constitution. We are rapidly moving to a system of minority rule, exactly what the founders came here to get away from.

Liberals are the majority. You are wrong.

only in hollywood and the media--------in the real USA most people are center right.

but continue your fantasy if it makes you feel good.
 
thanks for the comments so far. a couple of you get it, but most do not.

this country was founded to get away from minority rule under kings and dictators. We formed a republic that protects the rights of everyone, including minorities, BUT elects its leaders and decides on its laws based on what the majority wants.

Today we seem to be going overboard in minority wiew protection while ignoring the views of the majority.

No we do not.

really? do you support the discrimination called affirmative action? do you think people today should be punished to "get even" for something that might have been done by their great great grandfathers?

what is it about equal opportunity that gives you pause?

You said that...today....we are going overboard on minority view while ignoring the views of the majority. I disagree. We are following the same Constitution.....with elections being held in the same manner......we always have.

I wonder....is your focus on affirmative action and your alluding to reparations indicative of some inner struggle?
 
"it is my principle that the will of the majority should prevail."

-- Thomas Jefferson; from letter to James Madison (December 20, 1787)
 
No we do not.

really? do you support the discrimination called affirmative action? do you think people today should be punished to "get even" for something that might have been done by their great great grandfathers?

what is it about equal opportunity that gives you pause?

You said that...today....we are going overboard on minority view while ignoring the views of the majority. I disagree. We are following the same Constitution.....with elections being held in the same manner......we always have.

I wonder....is your focus on affirmative action and your alluding to reparations indicative of some inner struggle?

not at all, I merely used affirmative action as an example of discrimination that is going on today.

much of the focus on minority issues today is being done by the administration to take the attention from the terrible job that obama has done with the economy, our staggering national debt, high unemployment, rising numbers on food stamps, huge numbers in poverty, and international blunders like Benghazi and weapons being given to the muslim brotherhood.
 
why is this so hard for you? the constitution protects minority rights but it does not give them precedence over majority rights.

we make our laws and elect our leaders by majority vote.

currently we have allowed the liberal view to override the constitution. We are rapidly moving to a system of minority rule, exactly what the founders came here to get away from.

Liberals are the majority. You are wrong.

only in hollywood and the media--------in the real USA most people are center right.

but continue your fantasy if it makes you feel good.

If we were 'center right", all you nutters would not be bitching so much. You'd be gloating.

This is not brain science.
 
why is this so hard for you? the constitution protects minority rights but it does not give them precedence over majority rights.

we make our laws and elect our leaders by majority vote.

currently we have allowed the liberal view to override the constitution. We are rapidly moving to a system of minority rule, exactly what the founders came here to get away from.

Liberals are the majority. You are wrong.

only in hollywood and the media--------in the real USA most people are center right.

but continue your fantasy if it makes you feel good.

The majority of America is right of center to left of center, about 15% far right conservative and or libertarian, with about 20 to 22% lefty.
 

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