Which one of these was the worst president ever?

[Sallow]

That the SEC has been a massive failure at catching the immense frauds of Lay, Madoff, Boesky, Bush, and many many more is the problem of your "logic", not mine.

Hilarious.

You guys defund, de-regulation and take the teeth out of a regulatory agency..then BLAME it when it fails?

That's precious.

 

[Vast LWC]

What it demonstrates it the complete lack of regard for and recognition of the unintended consequences of FDR's reputed "success stories".


How would the den if iniquity and incredible conspicuous consumption been possible without Hoover Dam?...And what about Phoenix AZ, using all that water to just grow grass on the golf courses of all them grubby little rich people?

Why stop at the Hoover Dam? Why not blame the invention of the light bulb and the electric generator?

Obviously, if nether of those had been invented, then none of that would have come to pass.

That the SEC has been a massive failure at catching the immense frauds of Lay, Madoff, Boesky, Bush, and many many more is the problem of your "logic", not mine.

No, your "logic" is that, since the SEC has been underfunded and undermanned in the past 30 years, that it was a mistake to ever have it come into existence.

That's like saying that we should do away with the police department because of a rise in the crime rate.

But hey, don't let rationality get in the way of your ridiculous statements or anything.

 

[Steve Hanson]

more threads about personal insults so you can avoid the facts?

It looks like a fair and equitable poll to me with options from both sides.

 

[Vast LWC]

What I find amazing is that with the complete and total dissatisfaction of GWB that Obama is scoring so high. You would think as a benchmark that would sway some negative votes away from him, but it clearly hasn't. People are clearly not happy.

Umm, yeah... no.

What this shows is that there's a whole lot of right-wingnuts on this board.

It is in fact an excellent indicator of the general population here.

Who voted for Bush here? Left wing nuts?

Yep, again, an excellent indicator of the board population.

But we were left with little choice among the names listed. Where's Buchanan, or Hoover? They were both significantly worse than Bush. Hell, there's been a whole load of presidents who were worse than Bush. But none of them were listed.

 

[The Rabbi]

That the SEC has been a massive failure at catching the immense frauds of Lay, Madoff, Boesky, Bush, and many many more is the problem of your "logic", not mine.

Hilarious.

You guys defund, de-regulation and take the teeth out of a regulatory agency..then BLAME it when it fails?

That's precious.

When was teh SEC ever deregulated or defunded?
You are a bad joke.

 

[Oddball]

What it demonstrates it the complete lack of regard for and recognition of the unintended consequences of FDR's reputed "success stories".


How would the den if iniquity and incredible conspicuous consumption been possible without Hoover Dam?...And what about Phoenix AZ, using all that water to just grow grass on the golf courses of all them grubby little rich people?

Why stop at the Hoover Dam? Why not blame the invention of the light bulb and the electric generator?

Obviously, if nether of those had been invented, then none of that would have come to pass.

Nobody here is claiming the light bulb or electric generator as a great political success.

That the SEC has been a massive failure at catching the immense frauds of Lay, Madoff, Boesky, Bush, and many many more is the problem of your "logic", not mine.

No, your "logic" is that, since the SEC has been underfunded and undermanned in the past 30 years, that it was a mistake to ever have it come into existence.

That's like saying that we should do away with the police department because of a rise in the crime rate.

But hey, don't let rationality get in the way of your ridiculous statements or anything.

When the police look the other way, as they did in the cases of (at least) Bush and Madoff, then politically motivated claims of "success" are dubious, at best.

 

[Sallow]

George HW Bush was head of the CIA when the Mujahdeen were being funded by this country. That kept going up until his presidency. Afghanistan was a proof of concept for Bin Laden. If anything..that's where he got his ideas about taking on a Western power.

It's just to bad his son, GW Bush, who opened up a business with Bin Laden's brother, Salem..didn't think it was important enough to kill Osama Bin Laden...when he got into office. He should have taken Clinton's advice and read his daily briefings. Bin Laden was determined to attack the US.

 

[Vast LWC]

When the police look the other way, as they did in the cases of (at least) Bush and Madoff, then politically motivated claims of "success" are dubious, at best.

So, instead of investigating the people who were responsible for the case in question, we should ignore the rest of the 80 year relatively successful history of the entire SEC organization, and declare it a failure?

Again, using the same example, that's like saying that the entire NYPD should be dismantled because the crime rate in NYC went up and some officers were found to be corrupt.

If crime increases, you don't get rid of the police!

 

[The Rabbi]

George HW Bush was head of the CIA when the Mujahdeen were being funded by this country. That kept going up until his presidency. Afghanistan was a proof of concept for Bin Laden. If anything..that's where he got his ideas about taking on a Western power.

It's just to bad his son, GW Bush, who opened up a business with Bin Laden's brother, Salem..didn't think it was important enough to kill Osama Bin Laden...when he got into office. He should have taken Clinton's advice and read his daily briefings. Bin Laden was determined to attack the US.

Youre a big fucking liar. Anyone tell you that? Recently?

 

[Sallow]

That the SEC has been a massive failure at catching the immense frauds of Lay, Madoff, Boesky, Bush, and many many more is the problem of your "logic", not mine.

Hilarious.

You guys defund, de-regulation and take the teeth out of a regulatory agency..then BLAME it when it fails?

That's precious.

When was teh SEC ever deregulated or defunded?
You are a bad joke.

Not only was SEC underfunded...and regulations changed that took their teeth away..

It's seems the Bush empire had it's mitts on that one too.

Bush's son broke the law with the Harken Oil deal. A Poppa Bush's appointee at SEC, Richard Breeden, cleared him.

Nothing to see there, right?

George Bush: Nomination of Richard C. Breeden To Be a Member of the Securities and Exchange Commission, and Designation as Chairman

The chairman at the time was Richard Breeden, a good friend of the Bush family's who had been nominated to the SEC by President George H. W. Bush and who had been a lawyer in James Baker's firm, Baker Botts. The SEC's general counsel at the time was James Doty, who had represented George W. Bush when he sought to buy into the Texas Rangers (although Doty recused himself from the investigation.) Bush's own lawyer was Robert Jordan, who had been "partners with both Doty and Breeden at Baker Botts and who later became George W. Bush's ambassador to Saudi Arabia".
Professional life of George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sallow]

George HW Bush was head of the CIA when the Mujahdeen were being funded by this country. That kept going up until his presidency. Afghanistan was a proof of concept for Bin Laden. If anything..that's where he got his ideas about taking on a Western power.

It's just to bad his son, GW Bush, who opened up a business with Bin Laden's brother, Salem..didn't think it was important enough to kill Osama Bin Laden...when he got into office. He should have taken Clinton's advice and read his daily briefings. Bin Laden was determined to attack the US.

Youre a big fucking liar. Anyone tell you that? Recently?

Yeah?

Point out the lies..boy?

Or step off.

 

[Sallow]

Ah so..you just have an epiphany Rabbi, ol Bean?

That the people you are your ilk keep putting into power are destroying this country..not in an abstract sort of way..but in a very real and tangible way.

Like having people THEY SUPPORTED AND DID BUSINESS WITH..crash planes into buildings in NYC and Washington DC.

Thank the rational voters of this country that put President Barack Obama, who actually recognized this filth for what he was and had him killed.

 

[FireFly]

Barack Hussein Obama & Jimmy Carter

 

[Sallow]

Woah.

Guess he stepped off.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hilarious.

You guys defund, de-regulation and take the teeth out of a regulatory agency..then BLAME it when it fails?

That's precious.

When was teh SEC ever deregulated or defunded?
You are a bad joke.

Not only was SEC underfunded...and regulations changed that took their teeth away..

]

OK, so you admit the SEC was never defunded and deregulated. So you lied in your earlier post.
Thanks for confirming you are a liar.

 

[The Rabbi]

George HW Bush was head of the CIA when the Mujahdeen were being funded by this country. That kept going up until his presidency. Afghanistan was a proof of concept for Bin Laden. If anything..that's where he got his ideas about taking on a Western power.

It's just to bad his son, GW Bush, who opened up a business with Bin Laden's brother, Salem..didn't think it was important enough to kill Osama Bin Laden...when he got into office. He should have taken Clinton's advice and read his daily briefings. Bin Laden was determined to attack the US.

Youre a big fucking liar. Anyone tell you that? Recently?

Yeah?

Point out the lies..boy?

Or step off.

Why were the Muj being funded by this country?
It was because they were opposed to the Soviet Union, which was our chief enemy at the time.
Now, you left out that inconvenient fact. That is a lie by omission.

 

[Sallow]

Youre a big fucking liar. Anyone tell you that? Recently?

Yeah?

Point out the lies..boy?

Or step off.

Why were the Muj being funded by this country?
It was because they were opposed to the Soviet Union, which was our chief enemy at the time.
Now, you left out that inconvenient fact. That is a lie by omission.

No I didn't. I pointed out that George Bush's father had in FACT been funding the muj, Osama bin Laden was one of their leaders. Here's another FACT. Orlando Bosch, a cuban terrorist reponsible for the bombing deaths of over 70 people was pardoned by George HW Bush.

Orlando Bosch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems that conservative like to be in bed with terrorists when it suits their agenda.

You also skipped right over ANOTHER fact. That the Bushes and Bin Ladens have been doing business for years.

But here's another "fact". Without the funding..the Soviets probably would have left on their own.

You're backflipping super double twisting "lie by omission" not withstanding.

 

[Sallow]

When was teh SEC ever deregulated or defunded?
You are a bad joke.

Not only was SEC underfunded...and regulations changed that took their teeth away..

]

OK, so you admit the SEC was never defunded and deregulated. So you lied in your earlier post.
Thanks for confirming you are a liar.

You cut my post in half. Yeah..there was deregulation. Yeah..it was defunded. And yeah..it was Populated by cronies like Richard Breedan that looked the other way when real live crimes were being committed.

ESPECIALLY if they were being COMMITTED by the son of the Man who appointed you.

You ain't very good at this, Rabbi, my boy, are you?

 

[The Rabbi]

Yeah?

Point out the lies..boy?

Or step off.

Why were the Muj being funded by this country?
It was because they were opposed to the Soviet Union, which was our chief enemy at the time.
Now, you left out that inconvenient fact. That is a lie by omission.

No I didn't. I pointed out that George Bush's father had in FACT been funding the muj, Osama bin Laden was one of their leaders. Here's another FACT. Orlando Bosch, a cuban terrorist reponsible for the bombing deaths of over 70 people was pardoned by George HW Bush.

Orlando Bosch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems that conservative like to be in bed with terrorists when it suits their agenda.

You also skipped right over ANOTHER fact. That the Bushes and Bin Ladens have been doing business for years.

But here's another "fact". Without the funding..the Soviets probably would have left on their own.

You're backflipping super double twisting "lie by omission" not withstanding.

You're a liar and dissembler.
Clinton pardoned the FALN terrorists. You left that out. Because you are a liar and dissembler. You drag in every extraneous fact and throw it up to see if it sticks.
Liar.

 

[Spoonman]

Carter, hands down. Why? Two words: MISERY INDEX

You didn't like 18.5% interest rates?