Jimmy Carter is the worst president in US history

[Coyote]

It was not the worst decision, but nevertheless not so good because it did radicalize some iranian intellectuals

And probably unnecessary

We thought mosaddegh was a closet communist who might deliver iran to the soviet orbit

Bur that was probably wrong

It led to the widely unpopular Shah. Had he not been installed over an elected prime minister, who’s party was instrumental in pushing through a wide range of social reforms and pro-democracy policies including reducing foreign influence in Iranian politics, it is unlikely Iran would be the Iran we see today. Of course…after the Shah was installed the US and UK got some very nice oil deals.

 

[Mac-7]

It led to the widely unpopular Shah. Had he not been installed over an elected prime minister, who’s party was instrumental in pushing through a wide range of social reforms and pro-democracy policies including reducing foreign influence in Iranian politics, it is unlikely Iran would be the Iran we see today. Of course…after the Shah was installed the US and UK got some very nice oil deals.

That view carries more weight here in the west than it did inside iran

The real struggle was not between a monarch and liberals but with muslim throwbacks from the 14th Century

The students were duped into deposing their best chance for democracy

 

[Oddball]

Why you ask?

Because Carter was pivotal in toppling the Shah of Iran and delivering Persia to the the most dangerous terrorist nation on earth

His decision to abandon the Shah is the worst decision that any American president ever made

That was a CIA operation, in action before the incompetent peanut farmer stumbled onto the scene.

 

[Crepitus]

Why you ask?

Because Carter was pivotal in toppling the Shah of Iran and delivering Persia to the the most dangerous terrorist nation on earth

His decision to abandon the Shah is the worst decision that any American president ever made

That honor actually belongs to James Buchanan.

tRump is running a close second though.

Jimmy is down there in the bottom half IIRC

 

[odanny]

That honor actually belongs to James Buchanan.

tRump is running a close second though.

Jimmy is down there in the bottom half IIRC

None of them posed the direct threat to democracy that Trump does, and none of them are even close, either.

 

[Mac-7]

That was a CIA operation, in action before the incompetent peanut farmer stumbled onto the scene.

Iran was a regional power even before WWII

Anf yes, jimmy carter did stumble into the iran problem

 

[Mac-7]

That honor actually belongs to James Buchanan.

tRump is running a close second though.

Jimmy is down there in the bottom half IIRC

I dont think so

We didnt have 620,000 Americans killed while he was president

But iran thanks to carter has the potential to kill many more than that someday

 

[Lesh]

Yous guys said the same about Oblama make up yer fuckin mind already

They say it about whatever the target of the moment is

 

[Crepitus]

I dont think so

We didnt have 620,000 Americans killed while he was president

But iran thanks to carter has the potential to kill many more than that someday

Historians and scholars agree. You have an uneducated opinion.

 

[Mac-7]

Historians and scholars agree. You have an uneducated opinion.

Its not uneducated when I’m right and the lib shills are wrong

 

[Oddball]

Iran was a regional power even before WWII

Anf yes, jimmy carter did stumble into the iran problem

Yes, Persia has been a regional power for centuries.

 

[Crepitus]

Its not uneducated when I’m right and the lib shills are wrong

LOL!

 

[Godboy]

American casualties would have been in 10s of thousands if Carter had done what you said he should have done.

In other words, FAR less people would be dead today if Iran wasnt a terror state. Iran has been responsible for FAR more deaths than that ^ since they began funding terrorism, and they are actively trying to get nukes. Once they get their hands on one of those, we could see their death numbers climb dramatically.

Carter was the worst president of all time, until Biden. At least Carter wasnt intentionally fucking over the US.

 

[Independent thinker]

Why you ask?

Because Carter was pivotal in toppling the Shah of Iran and delivering Persia to the the most dangerous terrorist nation on earth

His decision to abandon the Shah is the worst decision that any American president ever made

Yeah. It would still take a lot for Biden to crack the number one spot but he is solidly at number two. You didn't even mention massive inflation higher than Biden's, double digit interest rates, and gas rationing.

 

[gipper]

You are wrong. The US was blamed for the 1953 coup against the elected government of Mohammad Mosaddegh. The coup was orchestrated by the CIA among other western powers. The youth were against the USA at the time of the Iranian Revolution and the Shah was highly unpopular. The Iranians still have not forgotten the US involvement in the coup.

Is he ever right about anything?

 

[odanny]

Is he ever right about anything?

Are you?

 

[noonereal]

I think morally Jimmy Carter is a fine man while trump is not

But trump was a better president

Disagree.

Peace

 

[Mac-7]

Disagree.

Peace

I suppose you disagree with trump being a good president

but under the circumstances he was up against he did pretty good

 

[gipper]

Are you?

Always! Thank you very much.

 

[my2¢]

The Shah of Iran loss of control over Iran was his own doing as people felt enough was enough and his military turned against him. Too bad those in neighboring Iraq weren't powerful enough to do the same against Saddam Hussein.