Which Republican is giving up Medicare & SS on retirement?

[Aldo Raine]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such programs none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

Ive yet to meet a democrat that volunteered to pay higher taxes.

So you agree then, both sides are hypocritical on these issues!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Obama's stimulis package was BS & Trump's tax cuts were BS.

Both added on a ton of debt & did nothing to help the real wages grow much.

Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month, the latest official figures show.

The US Labor Department said wages grew at an annual rate of 3.1% in October, accelerating from a rate of 2.8% the month before.

The economy also added 250,000 jobs last month, beating expectations, while the jobless rate remained at 3.7%.

US wage growth hits nine-year high

Inflation is going up quicker than wages are, opps.

Inflation hurts our oldest members the most.

Thats why Social security & medicare are so important

If we want these programs, then they need to be funded. They are causing all kinds of problems because people lived their lives without saving and depended on SS being enough to make it. It isn't.

Medicare and Medicaid only pay about 2/3 of their patients bill. Not a big deal for a doctors visit, but a real problem for a $200,000 surgery. So then they need to up their prices and that gets passed on to non-government patients who's sole payer is insurance. Then insurance rates go up and it becomes unaffordable for some people.

Don't worry truck drivers don't finance Medicare much.

Denocrat billionaires do finance it a lot like Soros, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bezos, Bill Gates, Brian Roberts, Sumner Redstone & Warren Buffet.

Oh, you mean those people that don't pay their fair share?

I seriously doubt they pay anything into SS or Medicare. Former presidential candidate John Edwards didn't pay into Medicare. The wealthy have a loophole they can use.

 

[hadit]

So you want us to give up on things we paid for our entire life's?

He acts like SS is something we’re gifted to by the government

I don't think he ever had a job, if he did he never read his pay stub.


.

I worked for years on a mainline job & paid into SS.

I am for that & therefor won't be a hypocrite if i collect someday.

Personally i think I'll see a Chinese, or Russian USA vassal in my lifetime.

USA is not OKAY.

You don't even no what the definition of hypocrite is you dumb polack


.

A hypocrite says one thing & does another.

Like you know hating Social Security but getting it anyways.

Or hating a road yet driving on it? Demanding that the potholes be fixed and lane markers be repainted yet driving on it?

 

[hadit]

Yawn................from the party that has the highest State Income taxes in the country and pays more for everything like California.......then says they defend the poor by bending them over and fucking them...............


Yeah........we really need to listen to you.........especially someone who says he wants to be a Fascist......Are you really this dumb or are you a paid troll.

Yawn................from the party that has the highest State Income taxes in the country and pays more for everything like California.......then says they defend the poor by bending them over and fucking them...............


Yeah........we really need to listen to you.........especially someone who says he wants to be a Fascist......Are you really this dumb or are you a paid troll.

Yawn................from the party that has the highest State Income taxes in the country and pays more for everything like California.......then says they defend the poor by bending them over and fucking them...............


Yeah........we really need to listen to you.........especially someone who says he wants to be a Fascist......Are you really this dumb or are you a paid troll.

Market value supply & demand, the North- East & California are more desirable & therefor more expensive because of more job opportunity, better foods & more culture.

The South has the system rigged take more while you cut taxes & lower government wages & pensions passing on the tab to the Northern states.

BS...............the Red State Rant............which you are trying........is BS............because it uses military bases, NASA, and Shipyards and such to taint the dang spending..................And says...........look here at all the money they are getting there............No .......we have shipbuilding and are building ships............bases........etc..............

Horse Hockey...........

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicare spending.

Geographic Variation in U.S. Medicare Per Capita Spending and Spending Growth Rates by County, 2007-2013

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicaid spending.

Medicaid Financing: The Basics - Issue Brief

We should start making the South pay more in Federal Taxes, so they can start paying the tab more evenly.
(Well, at least that's how Republicans would see it)
But, I suppose it doesn't apply because the Southerners are "Their darlings"??????

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

 

[hadit]

BS...............the Red State Rant............which you are trying........is BS............because it uses military bases, NASA, and Shipyards and such to taint the dang spending..................And says...........look here at all the money they are getting there............No .......we have shipbuilding and are building ships............bases........etc..............

Horse Hockey...........

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicare spending.

Geographic Variation in U.S. Medicare Per Capita Spending and Spending Growth Rates by County, 2007-2013

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicaid spending.

Medicaid Financing: The Basics - Issue Brief

We should start making the South pay more in Federal Taxes, so they can start paying the tab more evenly.
(Well, at least that's how Republicans would see it)
But, I suppose it doesn't apply because the Southerners are "Their darlings"??????

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Whatever.................Mr. Fascist.........stay in New York........you are welcome there. LOL

Well, just about every Republican on the forum says European NATO countries aren't paying their fare-share towards Military.

Well, then the same Republican logic applies when the South takes way more benefits like Medicare than it pays in taxes, they aren't paying their fair share.

We should cut off the South, I mean what has the South done for US??????

I mean what did the South ever do other than pass on it's Negroes to the North, and get us involved in wars WE in the Northern states pay for, and don't even want.

Lincoln should have let the Confederacy rise, I certainly don't like sharing my Nation with bozos South of the Mason Dixon line.

Guess what? Their votes count as much as yours. Look out! There's one right behind you! Now change your underwear and get back to work. Retirees need your SS contributions.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Obama's stimulis package was BS & Trump's tax cuts were BS.

Both added on a ton of debt & did nothing to help the real wages grow much.

Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month, the latest official figures show.

The US Labor Department said wages grew at an annual rate of 3.1% in October, accelerating from a rate of 2.8% the month before.

The economy also added 250,000 jobs last month, beating expectations, while the jobless rate remained at 3.7%.

US wage growth hits nine-year high

Inflation is going up quicker than wages are, opps.

Inflation hurts our oldest members the most.

Thats why Social security & medicare are so important

If we want these programs, then they need to be funded. They are causing all kinds of problems because people lived their lives without saving and depended on SS being enough to make it. It isn't.

Medicare and Medicaid only pay about 2/3 of their patients bill. Not a big deal for a doctors visit, but a real problem for a $200,000 surgery. So then they need to up their prices and that gets passed on to non-government patients who's sole payer is insurance. Then insurance rates go up and it becomes unaffordable for some people.

Don't worry truck drivers don't finance Medicare much.

Denocrat billionaires do finance it a lot like Soros, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bezos, Bill Gates, Brian Roberts, Sumner Redstone & Warren Buffet.

Oh, you mean those people that don't pay their fair share?

I seriously doubt they pay anything into SS or Medicare. Former presidential candidate John Edwards didn't pay into Medicare. The wealthy have a loophole they can use.

Even if the percentage is lower the amount paid would still be in Trumps words Yuge.

 

[debbiedowner]

A lot of working class republicans probably don't know that part of maga is getting rid of social security. Then when they're old, they won't be able to afford internet so they can bitch about socialist programs like....medicare and social security.

The Republicans have had total control of the federal government for nearly two years. Who on the right has suggested that we get rid of SS or Medicare?

For starters, McConnell and Ryan
Republicans Look to Safety Net Programs as Deficit Balloons
Republicans' Public Opposition To Social Security And Medicare

Add Rubio and Rick Scott if elected and I believe McCarthy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Republicans they complain if someone is poor, and also complain about government helping them not be poor & about businesses helping them not be poor by paying them more?

Government has never helped anybody "not be poor." Government gives them enough to live on, however having enough to live on does not mean one is no longer poor.

Republicans believe that government should not force industry to pay people more than their labor is worth. If one wants their labor to be worth more, it's up to them to make that happen--not government nor industry.

Republicans are the first to complain about flop houses & homeless in shabby clothes.

Then they complain about bosses paying them too much.

Then they complain about government helping them.

It makes Republicans come off as cruel, thoughtless & Heartless.

Is it cruel, thoughtless and heartless to deny your child endless amounts of candy or cookies?

Sometimes the best thing you can do for a person is to not help them. That forces them to help themselves. It may seem cruel and heartless, but in the long run, it's better for them because it forces them to try harder.

Which horse runs faster, the one you feed carrots to all day or the one you dangle the carrot in front of to make him run?

Unfortunately when my guess is 25% would be lower class wages without aid & another 25% would be less than middle class which is making 30 K or less a year.

A lot of people work hard to be paid modest wages.

Because DRUM ROLL. Businesses pay them modest wages.

Those who can't help themselves are typically that way because of the Capitalist system.

The only people that can't help themselves are those with disabilities. For them, we should provide a standard of living, especially if they worked their entire life.

Take my HUD neighbors for instance. They could work if they lost about 200 lbs each. But here they are with three kids, living in the suburbs off taxpayer dollars perfectly capable of working.

But when government provides them a reasonable standard of living, why work? And if you do work, why try harder? It will only cut into your government stipend.

You see without government help, these people just might lose weight, might have never had children, be living in lower income areas and strive to work up to the suburbs. But no. Government just puts them here like a chess piece with no effort on their part.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Market value supply & demand, the North- East & California are more desirable & therefor more expensive because of more job opportunity, better foods & more culture.

The South has the system rigged take more while you cut taxes & lower government wages & pensions passing on the tab to the Northern states.

BS...............the Red State Rant............which you are trying........is BS............because it uses military bases, NASA, and Shipyards and such to taint the dang spending..................And says...........look here at all the money they are getting there............No .......we have shipbuilding and are building ships............bases........etc..............

Horse Hockey...........

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicare spending.

Geographic Variation in U.S. Medicare Per Capita Spending and Spending Growth Rates by County, 2007-2013

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicaid spending.

Medicaid Financing: The Basics - Issue Brief

We should start making the South pay more in Federal Taxes, so they can start paying the tab more evenly.
(Well, at least that's how Republicans would see it)
But, I suppose it doesn't apply because the Southerners are "Their darlings"??????

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

 

[hadit]

Republicans they complain if someone is poor, and also complain about government helping them not be poor & about businesses helping them not be poor by paying them more?

Government has never helped anybody "not be poor." Government gives them enough to live on, however having enough to live on does not mean one is no longer poor.

Republicans believe that government should not force industry to pay people more than their labor is worth. If one wants their labor to be worth more, it's up to them to make that happen--not government nor industry.

Republicans are the first to complain about flop houses & homeless in shabby clothes.

Then they complain about bosses paying them too much.

Then they complain about government helping them.

It makes Republicans come off as cruel, thoughtless & Heartless.

When you start with a false premise, you can't arrive at a true conclusion. Bosses can and should pay whatever they and the employees agree to pay. The problem is the government forcing them to pay artificially high wages that are less valuable than their cost.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Republicans they complain if someone is poor, and also complain about government helping them not be poor & about businesses helping them not be poor by paying them more?

Government has never helped anybody "not be poor." Government gives them enough to live on, however having enough to live on does not mean one is no longer poor.

Republicans believe that government should not force industry to pay people more than their labor is worth. If one wants their labor to be worth more, it's up to them to make that happen--not government nor industry.

Republicans are the first to complain about flop houses & homeless in shabby clothes.

Then they complain about bosses paying them too much.

Then they complain about government helping them.

It makes Republicans come off as cruel, thoughtless & Heartless.

Is it cruel, thoughtless and heartless to deny your child endless amounts of candy or cookies?

Sometimes the best thing you can do for a person is to not help them. That forces them to help themselves. It may seem cruel and heartless, but in the long run, it's better for them because it forces them to try harder.

Which horse runs faster, the one you feed carrots to all day or the one you dangle the carrot in front of to make him run?

Unfortunately when my guess is 25% would be lower class wages without aid & another 25% would be less than middle class which is making 30 K or less a year.

A lot of people work hard to be paid modest wages.

Because DRUM ROLL. Businesses pay them modest wages.

Those who can't help themselves are typically that way because of the Capitalist system.

The only people that can't help themselves are those with disabilities. For them, we should provide a standard of living, especially if they worked their entire life.

Take my HUD neighbors for instance. They could work if they lost about 200 lbs each. But here they are with three kids, living in the suburbs off taxpayer dollars perfectly capable of working.

But when government provides them a reasonable standard of living, why work? And if you do work, why try harder? It will only cut into your government stipend.

You see without government help, these people just might lose weight, might have never had children, be living in lower income areas and strive to work up to the suburbs. But no. Government just puts them here like a chess piece with no effort on their part.

I happen to support government giving people jobs who need them & need government assistance other than the disabled & retired that is they then do deserve Disability, Medicare & SS.

 

[eagle1462010]

BS...............the Red State Rant............which you are trying........is BS............because it uses military bases, NASA, and Shipyards and such to taint the dang spending..................And says...........look here at all the money they are getting there............No .......we have shipbuilding and are building ships............bases........etc..............

Horse Hockey...........

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicare spending.

Geographic Variation in U.S. Medicare Per Capita Spending and Spending Growth Rates by County, 2007-2013

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicaid spending.

Medicaid Financing: The Basics - Issue Brief

We should start making the South pay more in Federal Taxes, so they can start paying the tab more evenly.
(Well, at least that's how Republicans would see it)
But, I suppose it doesn't apply because the Southerners are "Their darlings"??????

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

SHOCK: California is Number One; Leads The Nation...

At 20.4 percent, that poverty rate is higher than in any other state (only Washington DC has a higher rate at 21 percent). The national poverty rate stands at 14.7 percent.

Amazingly, The Orange County Register reports, while the state with the largest economy in the country has 12 percent of the national population, they account for a full one-third of all families in the nation receiving money from the Clinton-era “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families,” which sucks almost $20 billion from the federal budget.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wages in the US grew at their fastest pace for nine years last month, the latest official figures show.

The US Labor Department said wages grew at an annual rate of 3.1% in October, accelerating from a rate of 2.8% the month before.

The economy also added 250,000 jobs last month, beating expectations, while the jobless rate remained at 3.7%.

US wage growth hits nine-year high

Inflation is going up quicker than wages are, opps.

Inflation hurts our oldest members the most.

Thats why Social security & medicare are so important

If we want these programs, then they need to be funded. They are causing all kinds of problems because people lived their lives without saving and depended on SS being enough to make it. It isn't.

Medicare and Medicaid only pay about 2/3 of their patients bill. Not a big deal for a doctors visit, but a real problem for a $200,000 surgery. So then they need to up their prices and that gets passed on to non-government patients who's sole payer is insurance. Then insurance rates go up and it becomes unaffordable for some people.

Don't worry truck drivers don't finance Medicare much.

Denocrat billionaires do finance it a lot like Soros, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bezos, Bill Gates, Brian Roberts, Sumner Redstone & Warren Buffet.

Oh, you mean those people that don't pay their fair share?

I seriously doubt they pay anything into SS or Medicare. Former presidential candidate John Edwards didn't pay into Medicare. The wealthy have a loophole they can use.

Even if the percentage is lower the amount paid would still be in Trumps words Yuge.

But they're paying into programs they will likely never use.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Republicans they complain if someone is poor, and also complain about government helping them not be poor & about businesses helping them not be poor by paying them more?

Government has never helped anybody "not be poor." Government gives them enough to live on, however having enough to live on does not mean one is no longer poor.

Republicans believe that government should not force industry to pay people more than their labor is worth. If one wants their labor to be worth more, it's up to them to make that happen--not government nor industry.

Republicans are the first to complain about flop houses & homeless in shabby clothes.

Then they complain about bosses paying them too much.

Then they complain about government helping them.

It makes Republicans come off as cruel, thoughtless & Heartless.

When you start with a false premise, you can't arrive at a true conclusion. Bosses can and should pay whatever they and the employees agree to pay. The problem is the government forcing them to pay artificially high wages that are less valuable than their cost.

Republican theory.

Dress nicer hobo.

You shouldn't be paid more by your boss hobo.

You shouldn't get hand outs from the government hobo.

Now am I missing something or do you just Bark?

Republicans are prob the most likely to complain about the hobo being a hobo but then complain about solutions to fix the hobo.

This is what you call being clueless, cruel & an Individualist.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicare spending.

Geographic Variation in U.S. Medicare Per Capita Spending and Spending Growth Rates by County, 2007-2013

Southerners cost us more per person on Medicaid spending.

Medicaid Financing: The Basics - Issue Brief

We should start making the South pay more in Federal Taxes, so they can start paying the tab more evenly.
(Well, at least that's how Republicans would see it)
But, I suppose it doesn't apply because the Southerners are "Their darlings"??????

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

SHOCK: California is Number One; Leads The Nation...

At 20.4 percent, that poverty rate is higher than in any other state (only Washington DC has a higher rate at 21 percent). The national poverty rate stands at 14.7 percent.

Amazingly, The Orange County Register reports, while the state with the largest economy in the country has 12 percent of the national population, they account for a full one-third of all families in the nation receiving money from the Clinton-era “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families,” which sucks almost $20 billion from the federal budget.

That's NOT in per capita terms.

California has the most people by far so its not surprising they have more in total numbers.

 

[Nova78]

I've yet to meet a Republican who didn't take Social Security & Medicare after retirenent?

I have seen a lot complain about such programs none the less.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

No one is taking away your ss or Medicare, for someone who payed in to the system his whole life ,yes he should get it ,now the assholes who decide not to work or claim to be disabled are not entitled to shit and should be kicked to the curb, this includes illegals .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Republicans they complain if someone is poor, and also complain about government helping them not be poor & about businesses helping them not be poor by paying them more?

Government has never helped anybody "not be poor." Government gives them enough to live on, however having enough to live on does not mean one is no longer poor.

Republicans believe that government should not force industry to pay people more than their labor is worth. If one wants their labor to be worth more, it's up to them to make that happen--not government nor industry.

Republicans are the first to complain about flop houses & homeless in shabby clothes.

Then they complain about bosses paying them too much.

Then they complain about government helping them.

It makes Republicans come off as cruel, thoughtless & Heartless.

When you start with a false premise, you can't arrive at a true conclusion. Bosses can and should pay whatever they and the employees agree to pay. The problem is the government forcing them to pay artificially high wages that are less valuable than their cost.

Republican theory.

Dress nicer hobo.

You shouldn't be paid more by your boss hobo.

You shouldn't get hand outs from the government hobo.

Now am I missing something or do you just Bark?

Republicans are prob the most likely to complain about the hobo being a hobo but then complain about solutions to fix the hobo.

This is what you call being clueless, cruel & an Individualist.

The problem: Poverty.

What is poverty? Poverty is the situation of having no money or not enough money.

Solution to poverty: Obtain money.

How does one get money? Get a job, save as much as you can, and don't spend unless you absolutely have to. Do not have children. Get a roommate or several roommates if need be. Work more hours. If your job doesn't offer more hours, get a part-time job on the weekends.

Poverty solved.

 

[eagle1462010]

Federal Program ..........da rules apply nationwide..........which happen to be UNIFORM............dumbass........

We should RAISE the taxes on the South, because they take more, in fact what ever a state takes it should pay that much more in taxes.

At least that's the kind of logic that SHOULD APPLY according to Republican theories.

Diversion tactic noted.

So it's a diversion that the South takes more in Medicare & Medicaid than they pay into the system?
Yet complain more about Medicare & Medicaid?

I'm so sorry reality is a hard pill to swallow?

SHOCK: California is Number One; Leads The Nation...

At 20.4 percent, that poverty rate is higher than in any other state (only Washington DC has a higher rate at 21 percent). The national poverty rate stands at 14.7 percent.

Amazingly, The Orange County Register reports, while the state with the largest economy in the country has 12 percent of the national population, they account for a full one-third of all families in the nation receiving money from the Clinton-era “Temporary Assistance for Needy Families,” which sucks almost $20 billion from the federal budget.

That's NOT in per capita terms.

California has the most people by far so its not surprising they have more in total numbers.

Diversion..........lol...........percentages calling you out there........LOL

Highest PERCENTAGE in the country...........and .......awe.........higher population......

You were saying how we are the problem............poor thing........

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Inflation is going up quicker than wages are, opps.

Inflation hurts our oldest members the most.

Thats why Social security & medicare are so important

If we want these programs, then they need to be funded. They are causing all kinds of problems because people lived their lives without saving and depended on SS being enough to make it. It isn't.

Medicare and Medicaid only pay about 2/3 of their patients bill. Not a big deal for a doctors visit, but a real problem for a $200,000 surgery. So then they need to up their prices and that gets passed on to non-government patients who's sole payer is insurance. Then insurance rates go up and it becomes unaffordable for some people.

Don't worry truck drivers don't finance Medicare much.

Denocrat billionaires do finance it a lot like Soros, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bezos, Bill Gates, Brian Roberts, Sumner Redstone & Warren Buffet.

Oh, you mean those people that don't pay their fair share?

I seriously doubt they pay anything into SS or Medicare. Former presidential candidate John Edwards didn't pay into Medicare. The wealthy have a loophole they can use.

Even if the percentage is lower the amount paid would still be in Trumps words Yuge.

But they're paying into programs they will likely never use.

If social programs help society thats good.

Individualists just in terms of getting theirs at all costs & Now.

I hate Individualists if you hate society & civilization so much it's obviously Stupid & Counterproductive to civilzations goals.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why you win again......................Your number one again..........How do you help the poor by taking more of their money................

You don't.