Which Side Are You On?

[daveman]

Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough?

The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.

Neither is the pay for TEACHERS (or cops or firefighters or the guy that issues your driver's license). Their pay isn't bloated either.

Did I say it was?

It would be nice if people would argue against what I actually say, instead of arguing against things they THINK I say.

Oh, BTW, not only am I retired military, I'm one of those "bloated government workers" that just had my fucking pay cut 3% plus a forced furlough which cut my pay by another 2%.

Thank you for your service. Bummer about the pay cut.

 

[Robert]

Yes yes "They Them Those" always the mantra of people who's lot in life is blamed upon others how simple how justified.

Envy greed and Jealously are nothing new ever since there have been two people someone always has more. Today we see a group of people who feel they can extract revenge against an entire body of people who's only crime is that they worked harder or had a bit of luck.

Never mind that these same people already face the the highest tax and in fact pay more then the combined amount of all the rest.

But this isn't about taxes is it? no no this is about something far more base then that no today a group of people seek nothing less then absolute punishment and destruction of those that have more. Never mind that the people who's lot in life is so terrible will not change at least they will have revenge against those who really are that much better then they.

The funny thing about this form of class warfare is that there is no stopping point I asked the question some time back "When will today's Poor Become the Rich"

Where's the stopping point of the rich? How much is enough? Will it stop when the top 1% control 60% of the money? 70%? How about 80%?

Things are out of balance... that's all I personally am saying. People are suffering because of it. Yes... you can point out that they still make more than some guy in Indonesia... but we don't live in Indonesia do we? We live here, where everything costs so much more.

You can retire to some place like Belize, Costa Rica, or the Dominican Republic on $1000/month and live like a king. $1000/month here is a poverty stricken existence.

When will the poor become rich? Never. That's a stupid assumption. When will normal, working class people NOT have to struggle to survive? That's more appropriate.

Maybe you should be asking the question of why does it cost so much to survive here why in the course of 40 years have we gone from a single income being able to raise a family to very close to three incomes having to raise a family. It isn't the rich that have done that.

Why have we gone from a few billion in debt to over 15 trillion in debt over the course of 40 year's. It isn't the rich that have done that.

No it isn't a "stupid" assumption its a very real question.......Define for us who or what makes one "rich" under the scenario you offer it necessitates that the bar be continually lowered so at some point those who are the Poor today will become the Rich of tomorrow.

You offer nothing but class envy and I reject that as nothing more then a base human emotion you decry those that have more than you because they you have been unable or unwilling to become one of the "rich" it is not their problem the problem is solely yours.

 

[Steelplate]

Yes yes "They Them Those" always the mantra of people who's lot in life is blamed upon others how simple how justified.

Envy greed and Jealously are nothing new ever since there have been two people someone always has more. Today we see a group of people who feel they can extract revenge against an entire body of people who's only crime is that they worked harder or had a bit of luck.

Never mind that these same people already face the the highest tax and in fact pay more then the combined amount of all the rest.

But this isn't about taxes is it? no no this is about something far more base then that no today a group of people seek nothing less then absolute punishment and destruction of those that have more. Never mind that the people who's lot in life is so terrible will not change at least they will have revenge against those who really are that much better then they.

The funny thing about this form of class warfare is that there is no stopping point I asked the question some time back "When will today's Poor Become the Rich"

Where's the stopping point of the rich? How much is enough? Will it stop when the top 1% control 60% of the money? 70%? How about 80%?

Things are out of balance... that's all I personally am saying. People are suffering because of it. Yes... you can point out that they still make more than some guy in Indonesia... but we don't live in Indonesia do we? We live here, where everything costs so much more.

You can retire to some place like Belize, Costa Rica, or the Dominican Republic on $1000/month and live like a king. $1000/month here is a poverty stricken existence.

When will the poor become rich? Never. That's a stupid assumption. When will normal, working class people NOT have to struggle to survive? That's more appropriate.

Maybe you should be asking the question of why does it cost so much to survive here why in the course of 40 years have we gone from a single income being able to raise a family to very close to three incomes having to raise a family. It isn't the rich that have done that.

Why have we gone from a few billion in debt to over 15 trillion in debt over the course of 40 year's. It isn't the rich that have done that.

No it isn't a "stupid" assumption its a very real question.......Define for us who or what makes one "rich" under the scenario you offer it necessitates that the bar be continually lowered so at some point those who are the Poor today will become the Rich of tomorrow.

You offer nothing but class envy and I reject that as nothing more then a base human emotion you decry those that have more than you because they you have been unable or unwilling to become one of the "rich" it is not their problem the problem is solely yours.

Isn't it the "rich" who have done that? Really? Perhaps you should take a look at your history. It started with Reagan... and hey... I was a believer. I thought trickle down economics made sense...and to some extent... it still does. But what we have now is not trickle down. In fact, it's very much the case of us giving them tax breaks(35% is one of the lowest since 1932... only 1988-1992 have been lower). and them using those low rates to expand elsewhere. so yes.... The rich have used their windfall of Corporate welfare and used it NOT to help prop us this country, but to help other countries build their economies and lobby and bitch and moan about how much they pay, when historically, they are getting a huge bargain.

Don't blame welfare($22B budget), Don't blame Unions(7% of the workforce). Do blame fighting wars on not one, but TWO fronts and lowering taxes. Do blame backroom deals with big business, Do blame $700B in bank bailouts, Even blame yourselves... because you are the ones continuing to promote this madness.

 

[Steelplate]

I'm basing it on the definition of Marxism not what any body else says.
Marxist - socialist emphasizes the economic evils of capitalistic management, holds that labor creates value, that profit is mostly robbery and that the proletarian (wage earning class) must attain political power to remedy the evil.

Yes... but we aren't a Socialist society, we are a Capitalist Society. But Capitalism without the regulation of Socialism is just as bad as Socialism without the drive and greed of Capitalism.

That's what you aren't getting. Right now... Corporations and those in that top 1% are making money hand over fist and demanding that working people like you and I lose our safety nets. The Capitalists have a huge advantage, but are still crying poverty.

I, nor any other person like me want the rich to become poor and the poor to become rich. We don't even want everyone to be equal. We want the American Dream that was promised us. We want to be able to do our jobs and make enough money at them so we don't have to worry about how we are going to pay our bills, Pay for the doctor if we or our kids get REALLY sick, Pay for our kids' education without mortgaging either our lives away or their future away.

We don't want to be RICH.... that's a false dream that is unattainable to most of us. We realize that. All we want is to not have to struggle so damned hard.

The rich want us to struggle because it makes us desperate people.. so we take what they offer and we are more likely to sit in jobs that we can't stand to do. Health Insurance, College debt... all of that helps them... not us.

No.. God no... I don't want to be rich.. I just want to live a normal, decent life and have a little something left to pass onto my kids to help them on their way. I don't seek to attain a fortune that needs to keep my "legacy" from having to want for anything for generations. But to be able to perhaps pay off what's left of their mortgage after I die... that should be attainable. Anything more is greedy and excessive.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes yes "They Them Those" always the mantra of people who's lot in life is blamed upon others how simple how justified.

Envy greed and Jealously are nothing new ever since there have been two people someone always has more. Today we see a group of people who feel they can extract revenge against an entire body of people who's only crime is that they worked harder or had a bit of luck.

Never mind that these same people already face the the highest tax and in fact pay more then the combined amount of all the rest.

But this isn't about taxes is it? no no this is about something far more base then that no today a group of people seek nothing less then absolute punishment and destruction of those that have more. Never mind that the people who's lot in life is so terrible will not change at least they will have revenge against those who really are that much better then they.

The funny thing about this form of class warfare is that there is no stopping point I asked the question some time back "When will today's Poor Become the Rich"

Where's the stopping point of the rich? How much is enough? Will it stop when the top 1% control 60% of the money? 70%? How about 80%?

Things are out of balance... that's all I personally am saying. People are suffering because of it. Yes... you can point out that they still make more than some guy in Indonesia... but we don't live in Indonesia do we? We live here, where everything costs so much more.

You can retire to some place like Belize, Costa Rica, or the Dominican Republic on $1000/month and live like a king. $1000/month here is a poverty stricken existence.

When will the poor become rich? Never. That's a stupid assumption. When will normal, working class people NOT have to struggle to survive? That's more appropriate.

Maybe you should be asking the question of why does it cost so much to survive here why in the course of 40 years have we gone from a single income being able to raise a family to very close to three incomes having to raise a family. It isn't the rich that have done that.

Why have we gone from a few billion in debt to over 15 trillion in debt over the course of 40 year's. It isn't the rich that have done that.

No it isn't a "stupid" assumption its a very real question.......Define for us who or what makes one "rich" under the scenario you offer it necessitates that the bar be continually lowered so at some point those who are the Poor today will become the Rich of tomorrow.

You offer nothing but class envy and I reject that as nothing more then a base human emotion you decry those that have more than you because they you have been unable or unwilling to become one of the "rich" it is not their problem the problem is solely yours.

"In the late 1970s, a half-century trend toward growing income equality reversed itself.

"Ever since, U.S. incomes have grown more unequal. Middle-class incomes stagnated while the top 1 percent's share of national income climbed to 24 percent.

"Middle-income workers no longer benefit from productivity increases, and upward mobility, long the saving grace of the American economy, has faltered.

"Why is this happening? In the following 10-part series, Slate's Timothy Noah weighs eight possible causes of what Princeton economist Paul Krugman has labeled the Great Divergence.

"This 30-year trend 'may represent the most significant change in American society in your lifetime,' Noah writes, 'and it's not a change for the better.'"

If you are honestly confused about the Great Divergence, you need to watch less television and start paying attention to real reality.

Trying to understand income inequality, the most profound change in American society in your lifetime. - By Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

 

[georgephillip]

And what's keeping you from working to get your share?

Nothing. Get off your ass and get to work. Successful people don't owe you shit.

What do the "successful people" who crashed the global economy in 2008 owe to those still struggling with the results of their crimes?

See if you can process this:

Not all of the richest 1% of humanity acquire their wealth through hard work.
Most bribe politicians to socialize cost and privatize profit in ways that benefit their incomes.
That's why FIRE sector incomes comprise a large part of US GDP today.

Government is redistributing GDP for the benefit of those who finance its elected representatives' political campaigns.

Maybe you should stop bowing to the monarchs.

Maybe you should get off your ass and get to work.

Oh, wait...you refuse to.

"New data released by the IRS reveals that, over a period of 12 years, tax rates for the richest 400 Americans were effectively cut in half. In 1995, the richest 400 Americans paid, on average, 29.93% of their income in federal taxes. In 2007, the last year for which the IRS has released data, the richest 400 Americans paid just 16.63%...

"As their tax rates plummeted, the total income of the richest 400 Americans skyrocketed.

"In 1995, the combined income of the richest 400 was just over $6 billion. By 2007, the combined income of the richest 400 was almost $23 billion."

ThinkProgress » REPORT: In 12 Years, Income For Richest 400 Americans Quadruples, Tax Rate Nearly Halved

Or maybe you should get off your knees, Knave?

Ready for global Feudalism?

 

[georgephillip]

Do you really think sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!" makes the graph that utterly disproves your silly assertion that "there's only so many dollars" not exist?

You want something? Work for it. Quit whining that the world owes you a living simply because you consume oxygen.

"As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade.

"What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another."

What a stupid statement. You're not poor because someone else got rich. You're poor because you're lazy and you made bad choices.

Do you follow the math?

I ask because I'm not sure that I do.

If 300,000 US households increase their wealth to $10 million per household that means (300,000 households) x ($10 million/household) equals three trillion dollars that is no longer available to the other 98% of US households since money is a commodity and can only be possessed by one household or another.

Right?
Stupid?
Not sure?

 

[georgephillip]

What do the "successful people" who crashed the global economy in 2008 owe to those still struggling with the results of their crimes?

See if you can process this:

Not all of the richest 1% of humanity acquire their wealth through hard work.
Most bribe politicians to socialize cost and privatize profit in ways that benefit their incomes.
That's why FIRE sector incomes comprise a large part of US GDP today.

Government is redistributing GDP for the benefit of those who finance its elected representatives' political campaigns.

so many double standards, so litte time to 'splain it to these self made libertopians George....

of interest is how they'd come full circle , to the right waaaay around the ideology barn, in agreeance with much of what is argued, once it's laid out in baby steps

that said, i do offer this to the thread (in step with the OP)
10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Once again you've nailed it.

"The elite spend their lives stockpiling money and have the financial clout to bribe, divide and conquer the rest of us. The only way to overcome the power of money is with the power of courage and solidarity.

"When we regain our guts and solidarity, we can then more wisely select from - and implement - time-honored strategies and tactics that oppressed peoples have long used to defeat the elite. So, how do we regain our guts and solidarity?"

10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

 

[georgephillip]

Tax our way to prosperity. What a novel idea. LMAO

Tax the rich or continue borrowing from the rich?

What's your choice?

Over 40% of US Treasuries are currently being held by the richest 1% of US citizens.
Fifty years ago government would not be borrowing from those who crashed the global economy.
Those responsible for creating and popping housing and credit bubbles would have been prosecuted and jailed and those who earned profit from their crimes would have been taxed to cover the losses.

Apparently you think it's possible to shrink your way out of a recession.

It's not.

The Idea of Class warfare proffered by the left is as old as time itself it didn't work then it sure as hell doesn't work today. The problem today is the left and its desire to take for itself the work of others simply because the left feels it is owed. How it came to this conclusion it the topic of many interesting discussions.

Class warfare started with the Fall of Man.

It's hard to imagine how vast private fortunes first came into existence without first establishing the principle of chattel slavery. Apparently, unlike adultery, queers and women, the god of the old testament had no problem with state enforced slave labor.

If that's the root of your moral code, state mandated slavery in pursuit of ever increasing private wealth, the problem isn't the Left's desire to take the work of others.

It's the problem of those who believe the rich are entitled to everything they can plunder for ever and ever, amen.

 

[teapartysamurai]

What do the "successful people" who crashed the global economy in 2008 owe to those still struggling with the results of their crimes?

See if you can process this:

Not all of the richest 1% of humanity acquire their wealth through hard work.
Most bribe politicians to socialize cost and privatize profit in ways that benefit their incomes.
That's why FIRE sector incomes comprise a large part of US GDP today.

Government is redistributing GDP for the benefit of those who finance its elected representatives' political campaigns.

so many double standards, so litte time to 'splain it to these self made libertopians George....

of interest is how they'd come full circle , to the right waaaay around the ideology barn, in agreeance with much of what is argued, once it's laid out in baby steps

that said, i do offer this to the thread (in step with the OP)
10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Once again you've nailed it.

"The elite spend their lives stockpiling money and have the financial clout to bribe, divide and conquer the rest of us. The only way to overcome the power of money is with the power of courage and solidarity.

"When we regain our guts and solidarity, we can then more wisely select from - and implement - time-honored strategies and tactics that oppressed peoples have long used to defeat the elite. So, how do we regain our guts and solidarity?"

10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Here we go again with the usual LOSER LEFT and their CLASS ENVY BS!

Who are YOU to decide who acquires their wealth honestly and who does not?

This is a TOTAL JOKE considering who you losers support in elections.

Like Barack Obama got his money honestly? Or Ted Kennedy? Or Nancy Pelosi?

But you don't talk about defunding them. You just go right on supporting them and voting for them.

No, it's the people THAT ACTUALLY SUPPLY JOBS TO THE COUNTRY you want to go after.

And why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY AND YOU DON'T AND YOU WANT IT!

And if you can't get that money personally, then at least you can get that money as a collective through the government.

It won't put a dime in your pocket, but it makes you feel better that the "undeserving" don't have it.

Then you have the temerity to talk about who earns and who doesn't the money?

Like the government has earned the money they take in taxes?

Do you libs ever talk about taking THAT money away from the government or questioning if the government earned it?

Oh HELL TO THE NO! You want the government to have MORE MORE MORE.

You guys are just so full of it.

That's why no one either of you seriously.

 

[georgephillip]

Medicare and Social Security are larger then the Military.
If you don't support our Military we will have no freedom.

Do you think the Pentagon should be audited?

In early September of 2001 Donald Rumsfeld admitted there were several trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon.

The next day Everything Changed.

 

[yota5]

Yeah Peach... 30 years of Reaganomics has done us wonders.... For the Wealthy Elite.

Marxism... what a joke.

Socialism... to a point. But Marxism?

Let me clue you in on something that most people don't understand. A lot of folks equate the two, but there is a huge difference.

Socialism- From each according to their ability, to each according to their CONTRIBUTION.

Marxism- From each according to their ability, to each according to their NEED.

One word makes a huge difference. I am for Social Programs.

Social Security... Just about everyone who collects has paid in. Sure, there are some(the developmentally disabled, the extremely mentally Ill, the profoundly physically handicapped, and disabled people) who have either paid in little to nothing into it, but they are a vast minority. Social Security is not a welfare program for seniors, it was an investment that got borrowed upon by unscrupulous people... now that it's becoming "inconvenient" to pay back what was borrowed, it's much easier to just kill it.

Medicare- Hell, I want Medicare for all and take the control factor away from our employers. I would much rather have a single payer system that is paid for by our tax dollars than the current system that reduces our wages(you don't think employers pay for our health care out of the kindness of their hearts do you?) a hell of a lot more than through taxation.

Welfare- Here's the biggie. I'm for welfare...just not in it's current form. I want our welfare recipients to contribute. I have no problem helping them out, but I want something in return for that help.

In short... Socialism isn't bad or evil... it is what keeps Capitalism in check. This country is very much a hybrid of the two philosophies. The trick is, keeping a balance where one side doesn't get too powerful.

History tells us that all socialist states have failed. History tells us that socialism is a lie brought by utopian nitwits who want to cared for from cradle to grave. History tells us that capitalism produces the strongest economies, and the greatest personal wealth. History tells us that socialism/ communism takes away the incentive to risk personal wealth in entrepreneurial endeavor. History tells us that entrepreneurial endeavor isn't always rewarded. More business' fail then succeed. The successful are then treated to an onslaught of socialist leaches trying to suck everything that they've earned out of them.

If America chooses the socialist path we deserve what we get. Our reward will be that we'll all live equally in abject poverty just like the people from other socialist states. Now if you socialists have any credible evidence bolstering your agenda please present it here. I've looked high and low. Everything that I've found indicates that America still has the best system. It damn sure isn't socialism. Capitalism rules.

 

[georgephillip]

What do the "successful people" who crashed the global economy in 2008 owe to those still struggling with the results of their crimes?

See if you can process this:

Not all of the richest 1% of humanity acquire their wealth through hard work.
Most bribe politicians to socialize cost and privatize profit in ways that benefit their incomes.
That's why FIRE sector incomes comprise a large part of US GDP today.

Government is redistributing GDP for the benefit of those who finance its elected representatives' political campaigns.

so many double standards, so litte time to 'splain it to these self made libertopians George....

of interest is how they'd come full circle , to the right waaaay around the ideology barn, in agreeance with much of what is argued, once it's laid out in baby steps

that said, i do offer this to the thread (in step with the OP)
10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Once again you've nailed it.

"The elite spend their lives stockpiling money and have the financial clout to bribe, divide and conquer the rest of us. The only way to overcome the power of money is with the power of courage and solidarity.

"When we regain our guts and solidarity, we can then more wisely select from - and implement - time-honored strategies and tactics that oppressed peoples have long used to defeat the elite. So, how do we regain our guts and solidarity?"

10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy | | AlterNet

Here we go again with the usual LOSER LEFT and their CLASS ENVY BS!

Who are YOU to decide who acquires their wealth honestly and who does not?

This is a TOTAL JOKE considering who you losers support in elections.

Like Barack Obama got his money honestly? Or Ted Kennedy? Or Nancy Pelosi?

But you don't talk about defunding them. You just go right on supporting them and voting for them.

No, it's the people THAT ACTUALLY SUPPLY JOBS TO THE COUNTRY you want to go after.

And why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY AND YOU DON'T AND YOU WANT IT!

And if you can't get that money personally, then at least you can get that money as a collective through the government.

It won't put a dime in your pocket, but it makes you feel better that the "undeserving" don't have it.

Then you have the temerity to talk about who earns and who doesn't the money?

Like the government has earned the money they take in taxes?

Do you libs ever talk about taking THAT money away from the government or questioning if the government earned it?

Oh HELL TO THE NO! You want the government to have MORE MORE MORE.

You guys are just so full of it.

That's why no one either of you seriously.

Do you believe Hank Paulson honestly earned his share of TARP funds?

How about the richest 5% of Americans who nearly doubled their returns on wealth due to a certain $13 trillion taxpayer-funded bail out?

Are you clear about how many jobs small business owners provide in this country?
What percentage of those productive business owners are among the richest 5%?
How many are as rich as Hank?

As far as all the Democrats you mentioned, I'm fine with throwing each and every one of them in prison for the rest of their useless lives.

Are you ready to say the same about Dick and Dubya?

If you guys (gals) don't start taking the rich seriously, the Republic you claim to care so much about will go the way of Rome's.

 

[georgephillip]

I'm on America's side. I'm against progressivism/ socialism/ communism/ liberalism. History shows that the socialist agenda has hurt every country that it has touched. For the majority of us to make an informed decision it's important for us to understand the term progressive.

"In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]" Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Progressives are not our friends. Progressives are our enemies. Progressives are in the White House, and Congress. They are doing everything that they can to bankrupt America and replace our Republic with a socialist government. Under progressivism we will all live in communal squalor. The American dream will be dead. Only select favored progressives will live opulent splendor. The rest of us will be in the group that they call the little people. Do you think that I'm just blowing smoke? Then check out their website. It is all there in their own words. Home » cpusa

Progressives/ Socialists/ Communists, are my life long enemies. I will oppose your activities for as long as there is breath in my body.

Liberals are united in support of America's enemies.

"The Progressive Movement began[where?][when?] in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working conditions for women."

Thank you for standing tall for unregulated tenement housing and child labor.

What's your stand on working conditions for women?

Chattel slavery??

Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It isn't likely US workers would enjoy weekends or paid vacations or overtime pay today without the sacrifices made by previous generations of progressives

 

[georgephillip]

Notice how the Democratic Socialists are being led first into socialism and now right into Marxism?
If we get back to a Republic form of Federal Government all of this will go away.
It is Socialism that has caused the problems we are in now.

Socialism didn't inflate and pop the housing/credit bubbles.

Our government socialized the cost of those bubbles while privatizing the bailout profits for the benefit of the richest 5% of Americans.

Capitalism is at least as corrupt as Socialism or Communism.

And in this country..the capitalists rule.

 

[georgephillip]

The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.

Should the Pentagon be audited?

Do you believe there's any fraud or corruption in the DoD?

Of course there is, and the Pentagon should be audited.

What really happened to Rummy's missing trillion$?

Rumsfeld! BOOGA BOOGA!!

You wet your pants typing that, didn't you?

I'm sure you remember where you were September 10, 2001.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU]YouTube - ‪9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon‬‏[/ame]

 

[daveman]

What do the "successful people" who crashed the global economy in 2008 owe to those still struggling with the results of their crimes?

See if you can process this:

Not all of the richest 1% of humanity acquire their wealth through hard work.
Most bribe politicians to socialize cost and privatize profit in ways that benefit their incomes.
That's why FIRE sector incomes comprise a large part of US GDP today.

Government is redistributing GDP for the benefit of those who finance its elected representatives' political campaigns.

Maybe you should stop bowing to the monarchs.

Maybe you should get off your ass and get to work.

Oh, wait...you refuse to.

"New data released by the IRS reveals that, over a period of 12 years, tax rates for the richest 400 Americans were effectively cut in half. In 1995, the richest 400 Americans paid, on average, 29.93% of their income in federal taxes. In 2007, the last year for which the IRS has released data, the richest 400 Americans paid just 16.63%...

"As their tax rates plummeted, the total income of the richest 400 Americans skyrocketed.

"In 1995, the combined income of the richest 400 was just over $6 billion. By 2007, the combined income of the richest 400 was almost $23 billion."

ThinkProgress » REPORT: In 12 Years, Income For Richest 400 Americans Quadruples, Tax Rate Nearly Halved

Or maybe you should get off your knees, Knave?

Ready for global Feudalism?

So...you're stupid and lazy...and it's MY fault.

 

[daveman]

"As this chart shows, the US is cranking out multimillionaires at a record pace with super-rich (more than $10M) households doubling in the past decade.

"What’s scary is that doubling the amount of people who have more than $10M per household (from 300K to 600K) means there’s $3,000,000,000,000 less available for the other 98% of the of the households as MONEY IS A COMMODITY and can only be possessed by one person OR another."

What a stupid statement. You're not poor because someone else got rich. You're poor because you're lazy and you made bad choices.

Do you follow the math?

I ask because I'm not sure that I do.

If 300,000 US households increase their wealth to $10 million per household that means (300,000 households) x ($10 million/household) equals three trillion dollars that is no longer available to the other 98% of US households since money is a commodity and can only be possessed by one household or another.

Right?
Stupid?
Not sure?

Wrong, as I've shown. The total amount of wealth in the nation has risen since we became a nation.

You really think there has only ever been X amount of dollars? Really?

Dumbass.

 

[daveman]

Should the Pentagon be audited?

Do you believe there's any fraud or corruption in the DoD?

Of course there is, and the Pentagon should be audited.

What really happened to Rummy's missing trillion$?

Rumsfeld! BOOGA BOOGA!!

You wet your pants typing that, didn't you?

I'm sure you remember where you were September 10, 2001.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU]YouTube - ‪9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon‬‏[/ame]

So you think Rummy went on teevee and spilled the beans, so Bush said "Oh, crap!! Quick, somebody know over the WTC!!"

There's a reason your life has been a failure. It's because you're tremendously stupid.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe you should get off your ass and get to work.

Oh, wait...you refuse to.

"New data released by the IRS reveals that, over a period of 12 years, tax rates for the richest 400 Americans were effectively cut in half. In 1995, the richest 400 Americans paid, on average, 29.93% of their income in federal taxes. In 2007, the last year for which the IRS has released data, the richest 400 Americans paid just 16.63%...

"As their tax rates plummeted, the total income of the richest 400 Americans skyrocketed.

"In 1995, the combined income of the richest 400 was just over $6 billion. By 2007, the combined income of the richest 400 was almost $23 billion."

ThinkProgress » REPORT: In 12 Years, Income For Richest 400 Americans Quadruples, Tax Rate Nearly Halved

Or maybe you should get off your knees, Knave?

Ready for global Feudalism?

So...you're stupid and lazy...and it's MY fault.

Is 29.93% of their income to much to ask of our richest 400?