Which Side Are You On?

[sparky]

In short, we take care of our own. Which is a concept that should be demanded of our Country and our Corporate world.

I've an old pair of cardboard shoes for sale.....

 

[daveman]

Well...looks like you're doomed, huh?

as with all who ignore history Dave.....

 

[daveman]

So...you in business for yourself or do you work for someone else? You never answered me.

I'm retired military, and I'm currently looking for work.

taken in a broad overview, the military is about as far away from capatilist doctrine as one can get, in fact, it may well be viewed as a socialist doctrine

that in itself explains enough about your stance to dismiss it as simply not having had to walk the capitalist walk....

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

 

[sparky]

riiight.....say, maybe you could do a little kneecapping for wall street Dave?

 

[daveman]

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I'm retired military, and I'm currently looking for work.

Well.. maybe if you're looking for work(meaning unemployed), you should not be so quick to judge others.

That being said... put your money where your mouth is... get off your ass and start a business of your own.

Your whole "lot in life" thing is a farce. I have been gainfully employed since I was 14(including 4 years in the US Army). I am now 46 and have NEVER collected unemployment, NEVER was on Welfare and have always paid my taxes without complaint.

So when you sit there and tell me about blaming others for my lot in life, you are only making yourself look like the idiot you are. My wife and I make right around $100k, we put one kid through college(Penn State) and our youngest is attending the University of Pittsburgh-Johnstown in the fall. We get nothing in the way of grants, we make them take out one loan(Stafford) to force them to have skin in the game, and we take care of the rest.

In short, we take care of our own. Which is a concept that should be demanded of our Country and our Corporate world.

You see, it has little to do with "blaming others" and a lot to do with demanding responsibility and doing what is right.

Good for you. But your notion of "what is right" smacks of envy.

 

[daveman]

riiight.....say, maybe you could do a little kneecapping for wall street Dave?

You ever notice the people fighting the class war have no class?

 

[Seawytch]

Yet Democrats and Republicans rely on the richest 1% of Americans to fund their campaigns.

What do you think should be done about this greedy 1%?

Stop letting them buy elections? Campaign finance reform is an excellent first step.

 

[editec]

Somthing to inspire your on your way to salt mines, Comrade Sparky

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[editec]

I'm retired military, and I'm currently looking for work.

taken in a broad overview, the military is about as far away from capatilist doctrine as one can get, in fact, it may well be viewed as a socialist doctrine

that in itself explains enough about your stance to dismiss it as simply not having had to walk the capitalist walk....

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Yes, but we want to privatize it using CHINESE workers.

You American military guys are too damned expensive.

 

[peach174]

Medicare and Social Security are larger then the Military.
If you don't support our Military we will have no freedom.

 

[daveman]

Yet Democrats and Republicans rely on the richest 1% of Americans to fund their campaigns.

What do you think should be done about this greedy 1%?

Stop letting them buy elections? Campaign finance reform is an excellent first step.

George Soros will not like that.

 

[daveman]

taken in a broad overview, the military is about as far away from capatilist doctrine as one can get, in fact, it may well be viewed as a socialist doctrine

that in itself explains enough about your stance to dismiss it as simply not having had to walk the capitalist walk....

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Yes, but we want to privatize it using CHINESE workers.

You American military guys are too damned expensive.

You get good value for your money.

 

[Seawytch]

...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

No, us citizens don't, but corporations do...

 

[daveman]

...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

No, us citizens don't, but corporations do...

Really? I haven't seen any press releases.

 

[yota5]

I'm on America's side. I'm against progressivism/ socialism/ communism/ liberalism. History shows that the socialist agenda has hurt every country that it has touched. For the majority of us to make an informed decision it's important for us to understand the term progressive.

"In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]" Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Progressives are not our friends. Progressives are our enemies. Progressives are in the White House, and Congress. They are doing everything that they can to bankrupt America and replace our Republic with a socialist government. Under progressivism we will all live in communal squalor. The American dream will be dead. Only select favored progressives will live opulent splendor. The rest of us will be in the group that they call the little people. Do you think that I'm just blowing smoke? Then check out their website. It is all there in their own words. Home » cpusa

Progressives/ Socialists/ Communists, are my life long enemies. I will oppose your activities for as long as there is breath in my body.

Liberals are united in support of America's enemies.

 

[Steelplate]

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The Idea of Class warfare proffered by the left is as old as time itself it didn't work then it sure as hell doesn't work today. The problem today is the left and its desire to take for itself the work of others simply because the left feels it is owed. How it came to this conclusion it the topic of many interesting discussions.

You're wrong. The idea of class warfare is the reality. The Corporate World is rapidly abandoning the country that allowed them to become as rich and powerful as they are. In other countries, they'd have been taxed into much smaller entities where new businesses could gain a foothold and also become part of the economy.... OR, they would be owned outright by the government.

The pandering that the Corporate world has gotten over the past 30 years(since Reagan), have allowed these huge entities to dictate policy, legislation and the economy. As a result, we have a forest... of real tall trees that block the sunlight to the undergrowth. When some new business starts up that actually competes with one of the big boys.... the big boys have their hands into so many cookie jars that they can either undercut the little guy out of existence(even at a temporary loss), or if they don't kill them off, they can make their position so uncomfortable that they will sell out to the big boys and make them even stronger.

Who suffers? Certainly not the Conglomerate. It's the little guy. Furthermore, we have allowed the outsourcing of our jobs meant for people who don't have the intellect to go to college. What that does is doom these people to jobs that were once meant for teenagers and young adults who don't have families.

I think Conservatives underestimate the power that the Corporate and Banking Communities wield. They are the ones dictating to us... not so much government.

Seriously... take a look at it from fresh eyes. Only since the 2008 election has there been this much uproar. Yes, you think it is justified. But take a fresh look at it. Those issues that Obama & co have tried to address(Health Care, Stimulus, etc) were all in an attempt to help out working people instead of these huge entities. It's what he ran on and got elected on.

Once again... the Conglomerate has won. They forced public opinion their way enough that the Health Care law is weak and actually helps the Insurance,Pharmaceutical and Med Tech Companies more than the people. That wasn't part of the original plan... but with the marketing campaign that the Corporate Sponsored right employed... the original plan went out the window. Same with the Stimulus... we have States returning the money to the Fed, even though their people are suffering.

Health Care is power. They don't want the Employer-based system to go away. That's control... an investment they are more than willing to pay. The Medical Community doesn't want the fee for service model that we have to go away. Even though that's how things got so screwed up, that's how their CEO's become extremely wealthy.

That wealth is coming from somewhere... and it's right off our backs. You don't think that Health Care is taken off of our wages now? What would our paychecks look like if they didn't have to supply us with our Health Care? I'd be willing to bet that whatever tax increase we'd see pales in comparison to the lost wages that our employers could be paying us.... even if they chose not to increase those wages, it would be more assets for them to hire more people.

 

[Seawytch]

What do you think should be done about this greedy 1%?

Stop letting them buy elections? Campaign finance reform is an excellent first step.

George Soros will not like that.

Oh, I think he'd get over it.

 

[Steelplate]

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

 

[Seawytch]

...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

No, us citizens don't, but corporations do...

Really? I haven't seen any press releases.

Don't need any. Just look at Dubai...

 

[Seawytch]

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough?