Which Side Are You On?

Notice how the Democratic Socialists are being led first into socialism and now right into Marxism?
If we get back to a Republic form of Federal Government all of this will go away.
It is Socialism that has caused the problems we are in now.
 
Stop letting them buy elections? Campaign finance reform is an excellent first step.

George Soros will not like that.

Oh, I think he'd get over it.

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You don't think he spends on just lobbying, do you?

Soros Spends Over $48 Million Funding Media Organizations | CNSnews.com

For George Soros and ProPublica's other liberal backers, it was again proof that a strategy of funding journalism was a powerful way to influence the American public.
It's a strategy that Soros has been deploying extensively in media both in the United States and abroad. Since 2003, Soros has spent more than $48 million funding media properties, including the infrastructure of news - journalism schools, investigative journalism and even industry organizations.​
He's buying the news to distort what America sees.
 
Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

It's funny when people make assumptions about what I'd support when I haven't made any statements about it.
 
I'm retired military, and I'm currently looking for work.
taken in a broad overview, the military is about as far away from capatilist doctrine as one can get, in fact, it may well be viewed as a socialist doctrine

that in itself explains enough about your stance to dismiss it as simply not having had to walk the capitalist walk....

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?



renumeration wasn't mentioned Dave, nor does it validate or invalidate either system
 
Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?

Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough? :rolleyes:
The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.
 
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taken in a broad overview, the military is about as far away from capatilist doctrine as one can get, in fact, it may well be viewed as a socialist doctrine

that in itself explains enough about your stance to dismiss it as simply not having had to walk the capitalist walk....

Everyone makes this ludicrous argument is forgetting one simple thing:

Military members earn their pay and benefits.


...or are you saying you want the military privatized?



renumeration wasn't mentioned Dave, nor does it validate or invalidate either system

History itself invalidates socialism.
 
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The Idea of Class warfare proffered by the left is as old as time itself it didn't work then it sure as hell doesn't work today. The problem today is the left and its desire to take for itself the work of others simply because the left feels it is owed. How it came to this conclusion it the topic of many interesting discussions.

You're wrong. The idea of class warfare is the reality. The Corporate World is rapidly abandoning the country that allowed them to become as rich and powerful as they are. In other countries, they'd have been taxed into much smaller entities where new businesses could gain a foothold and also become part of the economy.... OR, they would be owned outright by the government.

The pandering that the Corporate world has gotten over the past 30 years(since Reagan), have allowed these huge entities to dictate policy, legislation and the economy. As a result, we have a forest... of real tall trees that block the sunlight to the undergrowth. When some new business starts up that actually competes with one of the big boys.... the big boys have their hands into so many cookie jars that they can either undercut the little guy out of existence(even at a temporary loss), or if they don't kill them off, they can make their position so uncomfortable that they will sell out to the big boys and make them even stronger.

Who suffers? Certainly not the Conglomerate. It's the little guy. Furthermore, we have allowed the outsourcing of our jobs meant for people who don't have the intellect to go to college. What that does is doom these people to jobs that were once meant for teenagers and young adults who don't have families.

I think Conservatives underestimate the power that the Corporate and Banking Communities wield. They are the ones dictating to us... not so much government.

Seriously... take a look at it from fresh eyes. Only since the 2008 election has there been this much uproar. Yes, you think it is justified. But take a fresh look at it. Those issues that Obama & co have tried to address(Health Care, Stimulus, etc) were all in an attempt to help out working people instead of these huge entities. It's what he ran on and got elected on.

Once again... the Conglomerate has won. They forced public opinion their way enough that the Health Care law is weak and actually helps the Insurance,Pharmaceutical and Med Tech Companies more than the people. That wasn't part of the original plan... but with the marketing campaign that the Corporate Sponsored right employed... the original plan went out the window. Same with the Stimulus... we have States returning the money to the Fed, even though their people are suffering.

Health Care is power. They don't want the Employer-based system to go away. That's control... an investment they are more than willing to pay. The Medical Community doesn't want the fee for service model that we have to go away. Even though that's how things got so screwed up, that's how their CEO's become extremely wealthy.

That wealth is coming from somewhere... and it's right off our backs. You don't think that Health Care is taken off of our wages now? What would our paychecks look like if they didn't have to supply us with our Health Care? I'd be willing to bet that whatever tax increase we'd see pales in comparison to the lost wages that our employers could be paying us.... even if they chose not to increase those wages, it would be more assets for them to hire more people.

Yes yes "They Them Those" always the mantra of people who's lot in life is blamed upon others how simple how justified.

Envy greed and Jealously are nothing new ever since there have been two people someone always has more. Today we see a group of people who feel they can extract revenge against an entire body of people who's only crime is that they worked harder or had a bit of luck.

Never mind that these same people already face the the highest tax and in fact pay more then the combined amount of all the rest.

But this isn't about taxes is it? no no this is about something far more base then that no today a group of people seek nothing less then absolute punishment and destruction of those that have more. Never mind that the people who's lot in life is so terrible will not change at least they will have revenge against those who really are that much better then they.

The funny thing about this form of class warfare is that there is no stopping point I asked the question some time back "When will today's Poor Become the Rich"
 
George Soros will not like that.

Oh, I think he'd get over it.

Koch%20vs%20Soros%20Lobbying%20Expenditures-thumb-500x210-2178.bmp

You don't think he spends on just lobbying, do you?

Soros Spends Over $48 Million Funding Media Organizations | CNSnews.com

For George Soros and ProPublica's other liberal backers, it was again proof that a strategy of funding journalism was a powerful way to influence the American public.
It's a strategy that Soros has been deploying extensively in media both in the United States and abroad. Since 2003, Soros has spent more than $48 million funding media properties, including the infrastructure of news - journalism schools, investigative journalism and even industry organizations.​
He's buying the news to distort what America sees.

I just provided a chart that shows Soros donating lobbying money. :confused:

What are Soros's goals? What does he advocate for?

I'm all for getting ALL lobbying money out of Washington and I don't really care who it is coming from which is why I said that Soros would get over it, were he not able to spend lobbying money on legislators. Unions, Soros, Corporations...limit them ALL.
 
Yeah Peach... 30 years of Reaganomics has done us wonders.... For the Wealthy Elite.

Marxism... what a joke.

Socialism... to a point. But Marxism?

Let me clue you in on something that most people don't understand. A lot of folks equate the two, but there is a huge difference.

Socialism- From each according to their ability, to each according to their CONTRIBUTION.

Marxism- From each according to their ability, to each according to their NEED.

One word makes a huge difference. I am for Social Programs.

Social Security... Just about everyone who collects has paid in. Sure, there are some(the developmentally disabled, the extremely mentally Ill, the profoundly physically handicapped, and disabled people) who have either paid in little to nothing into it, but they are a vast minority. Social Security is not a welfare program for seniors, it was an investment that got borrowed upon by unscrupulous people... now that it's becoming "inconvenient" to pay back what was borrowed, it's much easier to just kill it.

Medicare- Hell, I want Medicare for all and take the control factor away from our employers. I would much rather have a single payer system that is paid for by our tax dollars than the current system that reduces our wages(you don't think employers pay for our health care out of the kindness of their hearts do you?) a hell of a lot more than through taxation.

Welfare- Here's the biggie. I'm for welfare...just not in it's current form. I want our welfare recipients to contribute. I have no problem helping them out, but I want something in return for that help.

In short... Socialism isn't bad or evil... it is what keeps Capitalism in check. This country is very much a hybrid of the two philosophies. The trick is, keeping a balance where one side doesn't get too powerful.
 
Yes yes "They Them Those" always the mantra of people who's lot in life is blamed upon others how simple how justified.

Envy greed and Jealously are nothing new ever since there have been two people someone always has more. Today we see a group of people who feel they can extract revenge against an entire body of people who's only crime is that they worked harder or had a bit of luck.

Never mind that these same people already face the the highest tax and in fact pay more then the combined amount of all the rest.

But this isn't about taxes is it? no no this is about something far more base then that no today a group of people seek nothing less then absolute punishment and destruction of those that have more. Never mind that the people who's lot in life is so terrible will not change at least they will have revenge against those who really are that much better then they.

The funny thing about this form of class warfare is that there is no stopping point I asked the question some time back "When will today's Poor Become the Rich"


Where's the stopping point of the rich? How much is enough? Will it stop when the top 1% control 60% of the money? 70%? How about 80%?

Things are out of balance... that's all I personally am saying. People are suffering because of it. Yes... you can point out that they still make more than some guy in Indonesia... but we don't live in Indonesia do we? We live here, where everything costs so much more.

You can retire to some place like Belize, Costa Rica, or the Dominican Republic on $1000/month and live like a king. $1000/month here is a poverty stricken existence.

When will the poor become rich? Never. That's a stupid assumption. When will normal, working class people NOT have to struggle to survive? That's more appropriate.
 
Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough? :rolleyes:
The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.
Should the Pentagon be audited?

Do you believe there's any fraud or corruption in the DoD?

What really happened to Rummy's missing trillion$?
 
Yes, Marxism - evil corporations and redistribution of wealth.
SSI and Medicare are costing too much and need to be fixed. Get it out of the Government and privatize it.
Socialism has made us slaves of the government.
 
Is that what Becks telling you? I know... you don't listen to him... or Rush... or Hannity.

If you can't see that power and control are with the super rich and very much against those of us who work for a living(not that they don't... but they don't HAVE TO anymore), I don't know what to tell you.
 
Really? I haven't seen any press releases.

Don't need any. Just look at Dubai...
I see a big building. I don't see any private military uniforms.

The crown prince of Abu Dhabi has enlisted the infamous founder of Blackwater security services to build him an 800-member private army of foreign troops for the United Arab Emirates.

According to documents obtained by the New York Times Erik Prince’s new company, Reflex Responses, was hired and paid $529 million by the prince to form a new battalion of foreign fighters to carry out special operations, destroy internal revolts and defend urban areas and oil fields from terrorist attacks.

Troops are believed to have been brought to the UAE from Columbia, South Africa and other nations and are being trained by retired US military personnel and Germany and British special operations experts and member of the French Foreign Legion.


UAE prince hires Blackwater founder to build private army
 
Couldn't that be said about ALL Public Employees? You seem to be OK with their livelihoods being privatized.

Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough? :rolleyes:
The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.

Neither is the pay for TEACHERS (or cops or firefighters or the guy that issues your driver's license). Their pay isn't bloated either.

Oh, BTW, not only am I retired military, I'm one of those "bloated government workers" that just had my fucking pay cut 3% plus a forced furlough which cut my pay by another 2%.
 
Oh, I think he'd get over it.

Koch%20vs%20Soros%20Lobbying%20Expenditures-thumb-500x210-2178.bmp

You don't think he spends on just lobbying, do you?

Soros Spends Over $48 Million Funding Media Organizations | CNSnews.com

For George Soros and ProPublica's other liberal backers, it was again proof that a strategy of funding journalism was a powerful way to influence the American public.
It's a strategy that Soros has been deploying extensively in media both in the United States and abroad. Since 2003, Soros has spent more than $48 million funding media properties, including the infrastructure of news - journalism schools, investigative journalism and even industry organizations.​
He's buying the news to distort what America sees.

I just provided a chart that shows Soros donating lobbying money. :confused:
Lobbying is brute force. Soros' actions are more...elegant.

He wants to carefully craft what America sees in order to shape the way the entire nation thinks.
What are Soros's goals? What does he advocate for?
George Soros Social Agenda for America

Drug legalization, euthanasia, illegal immigrants' rights, curbing ownership of guns, and more abortions, both here and abroad.

He also supports domestic terrorists and has crashed other nations' currencies for personal gain.

And the Democrats love him.
I'm all for getting ALL lobbying money out of Washington and I don't really care who it is coming from which is why I said that Soros would get over it, were he not able to spend lobbying money on legislators. Unions, Soros, Corporations...limit them ALL.
I'm good with that. But Soros doesn't need to lobby.
 
Exactly. Teachers earn their pay...in fact, they should be paid a hell of a lot more than we do. The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license all earn their pay and benefits too, but THEY are the ones the RW is going after like rabid dogs. Why aren't the "conservatives" looking to cut the pay and benefits of the military? Aren't they "public servants" bloating at the public trough? :rolleyes:
The guy that cleans the street, processes your taxes or gets you your driver's license hasn't sworn to give his life for you, has he?

Military pay is not bloated. Anyone who says it is is simply not connected to reality.
Should the Pentagon be audited?

Do you believe there's any fraud or corruption in the DoD?
Of course there is, and the Pentagon should be audited.

What really happened to Rummy's missing trillion$?
Rumsfeld! BOOGA BOOGA!!

You wet your pants typing that, didn't you? :lol:
 
I'm basing it on the definition of Marxism not what any body else says.
Marxist - socialist emphasizes the economic evils of capitalistic management, holds that labor creates value, that profit is mostly robbery and that the proletarian (wage earning class) must attain political power to remedy the evil.
 
Don't need any. Just look at Dubai...
I see a big building. I don't see any private military uniforms.

The crown prince of Abu Dhabi has enlisted the infamous founder of Blackwater security services to build him an 800-member private army of foreign troops for the United Arab Emirates.

According to documents obtained by the New York Times Erik Prince’s new company, Reflex Responses, was hired and paid $529 million by the prince to form a new battalion of foreign fighters to carry out special operations, destroy internal revolts and defend urban areas and oil fields from terrorist attacks.

Troops are believed to have been brought to the UAE from Columbia, South Africa and other nations and are being trained by retired US military personnel and Germany and British special operations experts and member of the French Foreign Legion.


UAE prince hires Blackwater founder to build private army
Ummm...that's the UAE, not the United States. They can do what they want.
 

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