Which State Will Have the First Civil Disobedience?

[August West]

Conservatives only fear things that they can actually see, like Mexican toddlers wearing diapers.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Americans are a bunch of pussies. It’s a fucking virus. It’s less likely to kill than the flu. I haven’t changed anything in the way I live my life. Police state here we come.

I cannot understand why we are in a police state atmosphere right now. Over 99% of those that contract COVID-19 will recover from it. Folks, I am not minimizing this illness. COVID-19 is something to take seriously. It is highly contagious and spreads quickly. Yes, it causes respiratory failure and death in those most susceptible: the elderly and those with chronic health conditions including diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and lung disorders. We may not even have enough respirators for those who have a serious case.


Coronavirus XI: What the Hell is Going On? The Fear Should Stop!

The cultural fear of death comes from our cultural death of Christianity.

I have another thread on that in the Religion/Ethics forum. There have always been atheists, non-Christians, secularists among us, as is their right. But our collective Christianity acted as something of a herd immunity right? And made us bolder, more courageous.

Now, the fear of death is pervasive. Again. Most Americans feel there is nothing beyond their own hide. So, they are afraid. Crap on a cracker, I would be too if I believed that.

No our cultural fear of death comes from human beings innate desire to you know, not wanna die. The will to live. Also, the fear that once we close our eyes and take that final dirt nap, there will be nothing but blackness. No afterlife, no deity to comfort us, no seeing loved ones for a last conversation or to make amends. Just dark, cold, blackness. Nothing. And the prospect of that scares the deeply religious to death. But, look at it this way, you'll be dead so you won't care.

There won't be any civil disobedience. This isn't a police state. Wanting people to observe rules for the benefit of their fellow man is not restricting freedoms. But if people keep walking around spouting some of the misinformation that I've heard (especially from right wing talk radio, Internet media, and of course our pals at Fox), we'll become Italy..or worse, Iran. And let's stop with coronavirus is the flu baloney. It isn't. It's mortality rate is higher, it's more contagious, and it's been described as the perfect killing machine of a virus for the elderly and people with underlying preexisting conditions. Our healthcare system isn't designed for a mass pandemic.It never was.

Finally, Trump's response to this virus just seals the deal that he wholly unfit to sit in that Oval Office chair. His delay in responding like a leader is costing people their lives.
You can pass this off as Trump hate, TDS, or whatever helps you sleep at night. He needs to slink back to Trump Tower...like immediately. It's painful watching him at these press conferences. You can tell that not only does he have no interest in being there, he's wishing he was anywhere else. It isn't fun for him anymore. He can't campaign his way out of this.

 

[Gdjjr]

SOMEBODY'S sneeze or cough

So, if someone in Italy, or Iran sneezes we're all gonna die? I guess we should nuke both of those countries. Right?
The fall out couldn't drift this far I don't suppose.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Michigan update:

Cases: 549
Deaths: 3
Percent: .54%

 

[Gdjjr]

No our cultural fear of death comes from human beings innate desire to you know, not wanna die. The will to live. Also, the fear that once we close our eyes and take that final dirt nap, there will be nothing but blackness. No afterlife, no deity to comfort us, no seeing loved ones for a last conversation or to make amends. Just dark, cold, blackness. Nothing. And the prospect of that scares the deeply religious to death. But, look at it this way, you'll be dead so you won't care.

There won't be any civil disobedience. This isn't a police state. Wanting people to observe rules for the benefit of their fellow man is not restricting freedoms. But if people keep walking around spouting some of the misinformation that I've heard (especially from right wing talk radio, Internet media, and of course our pals at Fox), we'll become Italy..or worse, Iran. And let's stop with coronavirus is the flu baloney. It isn't. It's mortality rate is higher, it's more contagious, and it's been described as the perfect killing machine of a virus for the elderly and people with underlying preexisting conditions. Our healthcare system isn't designed for a mass pandemic.It never was.

Finally, Trump's response to this virus just seals the deal that he wholly unfit to sit in that Oval Office chair. His delay in responding like a leader is costing people their lives.
You can pass this off as Trump hate, TDS, or whatever helps you sleep at night. He needs to slink back to Trump Tower...like immediately. It's painful watching him at these press conferences. You can tell that not only does he have no interest in being there, he's wishing he was anywhere else. It isn't fun for him anymore. He can't campaign his way out of this.

Damn! It would take all day to respond to each feeling- so, I'll just say bullshit to the entire post and address just your initial reaction- there is a difference between reacting and responding. Did you know that?

Not wanna die- yeah, that's true, but, dying is part of life- it happens- it is sometimes tragic, and usually traumatic to those close to the deceased- when it's your time it's your time- however, when killed by force there is no excuse for the perpetrator of the force unless his life is being defended or his property being taken without consent. Forcing one's "feelings* on another is immoral- you try to discredit the religious while applauding your own ignorance and BOTH are ignorant in believing something/someone else has to do something or will do something to suit your "feelings"- when that fails you BOTH want the force of another to be used to make you *feel* better about your smug self- SMH- there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

No our cultural fear of death comes from human beings innate desire to you know, not wanna die. The will to live. Also, the fear that once we close our eyes and take that final dirt nap, there will be nothing but blackness. No afterlife, no deity to comfort us, no seeing loved ones for a last conversation or to make amends. Just dark, cold, blackness. Nothing. And the prospect of that scares the deeply religious to death. But, look at it this way, you'll be dead so you won't care.

There won't be any civil disobedience. This isn't a police state. Wanting people to observe rules for the benefit of their fellow man is not restricting freedoms. But if people keep walking around spouting some of the misinformation that I've heard (especially from right wing talk radio, Internet media, and of course our pals at Fox), we'll become Italy..or worse, Iran. And let's stop with coronavirus is the flu baloney. It isn't. It's mortality rate is higher, it's more contagious, and it's been described as the perfect killing machine of a virus for the elderly and people with underlying preexisting conditions. Our healthcare system isn't designed for a mass pandemic.It never was.

Finally, Trump's response to this virus just seals the deal that he wholly unfit to sit in that Oval Office chair. His delay in responding like a leader is costing people their lives.
You can pass this off as Trump hate, TDS, or whatever helps you sleep at night. He needs to slink back to Trump Tower...like immediately. It's painful watching him at these press conferences. You can tell that not only does he have no interest in being there, he's wishing he was anywhere else. It isn't fun for him anymore. He can't campaign his way out of this.

Damn! It would take all day to respond to each feeling- so, I'll just say bullshit to the entire post and address just your initial reaction- there is a difference between reacting and responding. Did you know that?

Not wanna die- yeah, that's true, but, dying is part of life- it happens- it is sometimes tragic, and usually traumatic to those close to the deceased- when it's your time it's your time- however, when killed by force there is no excuse for the perpetrator of the force unless his life is being defended or his property being taken without consent. Forcing one's "feelings* on another is immoral- you try to discredit the religious while applauding your own ignorance and BOTH are ignorant in believing something/someone else has to do something or will do something to suit your "feelings"- when that fails you BOTH want the force of another to be used to make you *feel* better about your smug self- SMH- there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

I was debating whether or not to respond to this hot mess of I don't know what bleeping point you were trying to make but I'll give it a go.
And if forcing one's feelings on another is immoral, how do you explain conservatives and the religious right in this country? Just patriots who wanna make the world a better place?

The response by the Trump administration to the virus has been inept and incompetent. The reaction of medical experts, governors, mayors and any political leader that isn't Trump has been appropriate.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What is wrong with acting like adults and responsible citizens? What is wrong with a society acting as one to protect one another from a pernicious virus?

If acting as one means acting as democrats that will never happen.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Michigan update:

Cases: 549
Deaths: 3
Percent: .54%

Orange County California
Cases 65
Deaths 0
Percent 0%

 

[JoeB131]

Agreed some sanity applies Joe

But just how the Gub'Mit reacts in the next few weeks may well be the dif betwixt Trump's Katrina, & Trump's Reichstag

I'm sure you catch my drift.....

Yeah, I don't buy that. Trump doesn't have enough popularity to do that, that's the thing. If he tries, it'll backfire on him.

Remember, the reason why people went along with Hitler is because he put an end to about a decade of anarchy. We aren't anywhere near that yet. If anything, Trump has made the anarchy worse.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Michigan update:

Cases: 549
Deaths: 3
Percent: .54%

Orange County California
Cases 65
Deaths 0
Percent 0%

I hope people wake up soon.

 

[JoeB131]

Then stop being a hypocrite. Stay out of the stores

We weren't talking about stores, we were talking about bars and restaurants... Do try to keep up.

You have a case for NYC, where people live in shoeboxes basically on top of each other. Notice I wasn't talking about that in my OP. I was talking about remote places where there are NO cases of COVID, but where the gov have still shut down all the restaurants/bars in the state.

Address the OP, not what I didn't say.

We did. those remote places don't want the virus spreading, so they are shutting down, too.

Again, just got a letter from Vilas County asking all the Chicago People who normally come up to fish to not come up, because their one little tiny hospital for removing fish hooks can't handle an influx of Corora Cases.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The mayor of Maryland just asked the residents to stop killing each other for awhile because those hospital beds are needed for the sick. If they get any.

The first acts of civil disobedience will likely come from Baltimore, Chicago or Detroit. The first acts of looting private homes will be New York, Los Angeles or Houston.

 

[JoeB131]

Really? Give us your prescription for stopping or even slowing down the flu. You and that Rightwinger clown get together and present the readers of this forum exact, specific steps you would have done.

1) Not really my job.
2) We wouldn't be here if the guy whose job it was hadn't called it a Hoax, pretended it was no big deal as recently as March 9th, and then tried to cover it up with racism. .

 

[JoeB131]

The mayor of Maryland just asked the residents to stop killing each other for awhile because those hospital beds are needed for the sick. If they get any.

The first acts of civil disobedience will likely come from Baltimore, Chicago or Detroit. The first acts of looting private homes will be New York, Los Angeles or Houston.

The mayor of Maryland?

Really.

Okay, basic civics lesson.

MAYORS run Cities (like Baltimore)
GOVERNORS run States (Like Maryland)

 

[SweetSue92]

What is wrong with acting like adults and responsible citizens? What is wrong with a society acting as one to protect one another from a pernicious virus?

Nothing is wrong with it as long as its voluntary- when force is used it's no longer "civil".

If it`s voluntary it`s of no value. A person should be relieved of having to make the decision whether or not to spread the virus around. Maybe it`s just me but I`m 100% against infecting more people than necessary.
Typhoid Mary | historical figure

Great. My child is severely peanut allergic.

Therefore, you and everyone must stop eating peanuts. They must be banned.

Boy that was easy

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't see the patience for this even extending much to three weeks. I don't. And I'm in one of two counties in my state with the most cases. Three months? Not. A. Chance.

sooooooooooooooo.............. are you going on your ' hunch ' & ignoring actual scientists? anthony fauci's political affiliation - if he even has one - has served the NIAID since 1984 under several presidents (R) & (D). he's not sure how long this will go on because it is a new virus. i'm sure the parts of yer state without any confirmed cases have carriers that could very well kill gramma. why would you condone people ignoring directives to play it safe over stupidity & greed?

I'm going to give you one shot to be reasonable, but just one.

Every decision society makes is a risk v benefit analysis to the citizens of that society. "If we save even one person" is never a valid argument and we don't operate that way. If that were true we would all have been in quarantine in the 17-18 flu year, when we lost 60,000+ Americans. Or we would have undergone compulsory vaccinations. Neither happened.

We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far. What IS happening is that the economy IS shutting down. If you don't understand that the economy actually feeds, houses, and clothes people--which is a real benefit--no one can talk to you.

^
'We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far.'

we haven't peaked yet - that's why. we could head it off if people stay away from each other & slow the virus down in the amt of victims being infected. by doing that, we WON'T overwhelm the healthcare system. a lot of this could have & should have been done weeks ago - to determine who was infected & quarantine them to limit the exposure rate.

why are the medical professionals pleading for more supplies? why are they using the same gear & supplies over & over again? why are they told to use bandanas as face masks? it's not all due to hoarding. it's because people are now showing up sick because symptoms don't kick in until 10 - 14 days after contracting it ...

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals
There are already critical shortages: A Bronx hospital is running out of ventilators. In Brooklyn, doctors are reusing masks.
By Brian M. Rosenthal, Joseph Goldstein and Michael Rothfeld

• Published March 20, 2020Updated March 21, 2020, 7:52 a.m. ET

New York State’s long-feared surge of coronavirus cases has begun, thrusting the medical system toward a crisis point.

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.
[...]
State officials have projected that the number of coronavirus cases in New York will peak in early May. Both the governor and Mayor Bill de Blasio have used wartime metaphors and analogies to paint a grim picture of what to expect. Officials have said the state would need to double its available hospital beds to 100,000 and could be short as many as 25,000 ventilators.

As it prepares for the worst-case projections, the state is asking retired health care workers to volunteer to help. The city is considering trying to turn the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Manhattan into a makeshift hospital.

“The most striking part is the speed with which it has ramped up,” said Ben McVane, an emergency room doctor at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens. “It went from a small trickle of patients to a deluge of patients in our departments.”
Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals


Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Nick Turse
March 21 2020, 12:27 a.m.
Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says


hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

You have a case for NYC, where people live in shoeboxes basically on top of each other. Notice I wasn't talking about that in my OP. I was talking about remote places where there are NO cases of COVID, but where the gov have still shut down all the restaurants/bars in the state.

Address the OP, not what I didn't say.

i did address what you said. i said there aren't any CONFIRMED cases in the area you are talking about. either people don't realize what they have or are asymptomatic or the incubation period hasn't reared their ugly symptoms yet. more people are saying they don't know HOW they got it - well SOMEBODY is giving it to them. & all it takes are close clusters of people to get it going. why do you think NYC et al are getting hit hard?

It is beyond idiotic to shut down an entire nation's economy based on information that is unknown.

Only liberals would advocate it, actually.

 

[SweetSue92]

The article linked below contains a list of states that have closed bars and restaurants. In my state, there is an entire region unaffected by Coronavirus--zero reported cases. Who's going to be the first restaurant/bar owner in that portion of the state--or ANY state--to say screw it and open their doors to a flood of customers?

I say one week, ten days at the outside. When one does, other owners in other states will do the same, especially in areas with no Coronavirus. And once that starts, it will be America saying, screw you, Daddy Government. We are Open for Business.

Which states have closed restaurants and bars due to coronavirus?

Texas.

Wasn't a question. That's a link to an article

 

[NoNukes]

What is wrong with acting like adults and responsible citizens? What is wrong with a society acting as one to protect one another from a pernicious virus?

They would rather sit and bitch about liberals, so very boring..

 

[NoNukes]

sooooooooooooooo.............. are you going on your ' hunch ' & ignoring actual scientists? anthony fauci's political affiliation - if he even has one - has served the NIAID since 1984 under several presidents (R) & (D). he's not sure how long this will go on because it is a new virus. i'm sure the parts of yer state without any confirmed cases have carriers that could very well kill gramma. why would you condone people ignoring directives to play it safe over stupidity & greed?

I'm going to give you one shot to be reasonable, but just one.

Every decision society makes is a risk v benefit analysis to the citizens of that society. "If we save even one person" is never a valid argument and we don't operate that way. If that were true we would all have been in quarantine in the 17-18 flu year, when we lost 60,000+ Americans. Or we would have undergone compulsory vaccinations. Neither happened.

We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far. What IS happening is that the economy IS shutting down. If you don't understand that the economy actually feeds, houses, and clothes people--which is a real benefit--no one can talk to you.

^
'We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far.'

we haven't peaked yet - that's why. we could head it off if people stay away from each other & slow the virus down in the amt of victims being infected. by doing that, we WON'T overwhelm the healthcare system. a lot of this could have & should have been done weeks ago - to determine who was infected & quarantine them to limit the exposure rate.

why are the medical professionals pleading for more supplies? why are they using the same gear & supplies over & over again? why are they told to use bandanas as face masks? it's not all due to hoarding. it's because people are now showing up sick because symptoms don't kick in until 10 - 14 days after contracting it ...

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals
There are already critical shortages: A Bronx hospital is running out of ventilators. In Brooklyn, doctors are reusing masks.
By Brian M. Rosenthal, Joseph Goldstein and Michael Rothfeld

• Published March 20, 2020Updated March 21, 2020, 7:52 a.m. ET

New York State’s long-feared surge of coronavirus cases has begun, thrusting the medical system toward a crisis point.

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.
[...]
State officials have projected that the number of coronavirus cases in New York will peak in early May. Both the governor and Mayor Bill de Blasio have used wartime metaphors and analogies to paint a grim picture of what to expect. Officials have said the state would need to double its available hospital beds to 100,000 and could be short as many as 25,000 ventilators.

As it prepares for the worst-case projections, the state is asking retired health care workers to volunteer to help. The city is considering trying to turn the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Manhattan into a makeshift hospital.

“The most striking part is the speed with which it has ramped up,” said Ben McVane, an emergency room doctor at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens. “It went from a small trickle of patients to a deluge of patients in our departments.”
Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals


Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Nick Turse
March 21 2020, 12:27 a.m.
Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says


hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

You have a case for NYC, where people live in shoeboxes basically on top of each other. Notice I wasn't talking about that in my OP. I was talking about remote places where there are NO cases of COVID, but where the gov have still shut down all the restaurants/bars in the state.

Address the OP, not what I didn't say.

i did address what you said. i said there aren't any CONFIRMED cases in the area you are talking about. either people don't realize what they have or are asymptomatic or the incubation period hasn't reared their ugly symptoms yet. more people are saying they don't know HOW they got it - well SOMEBODY is giving it to them. & all it takes are close clusters of people to get it going. why do you think NYC et al are getting hit hard?

It is beyond idiotic to shut down an entire nation's economy based on information that is unknown.

Only liberals would advocate it, actually.

sooooooooooooooo.............. are you going on your ' hunch ' & ignoring actual scientists? anthony fauci's political affiliation - if he even has one - has served the NIAID since 1984 under several presidents (R) & (D). he's not sure how long this will go on because it is a new virus. i'm sure the parts of yer state without any confirmed cases have carriers that could very well kill gramma. why would you condone people ignoring directives to play it safe over stupidity & greed?

I'm going to give you one shot to be reasonable, but just one.

Every decision society makes is a risk v benefit analysis to the citizens of that society. "If we save even one person" is never a valid argument and we don't operate that way. If that were true we would all have been in quarantine in the 17-18 flu year, when we lost 60,000+ Americans. Or we would have undergone compulsory vaccinations. Neither happened.

We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far. What IS happening is that the economy IS shutting down. If you don't understand that the economy actually feeds, houses, and clothes people--which is a real benefit--no one can talk to you.

^
'We were told horrid things about ERs being overrun, hospitals over capacity and etc. That is not happening thus far.'

we haven't peaked yet - that's why. we could head it off if people stay away from each other & slow the virus down in the amt of victims being infected. by doing that, we WON'T overwhelm the healthcare system. a lot of this could have & should have been done weeks ago - to determine who was infected & quarantine them to limit the exposure rate.

why are the medical professionals pleading for more supplies? why are they using the same gear & supplies over & over again? why are they told to use bandanas as face masks? it's not all due to hoarding. it's because people are now showing up sick because symptoms don't kick in until 10 - 14 days after contracting it ...

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals
There are already critical shortages: A Bronx hospital is running out of ventilators. In Brooklyn, doctors are reusing masks.
By Brian M. Rosenthal, Joseph Goldstein and Michael Rothfeld

• Published March 20, 2020Updated March 21, 2020, 7:52 a.m. ET

New York State’s long-feared surge of coronavirus cases has begun, thrusting the medical system toward a crisis point.

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.
[...]
State officials have projected that the number of coronavirus cases in New York will peak in early May. Both the governor and Mayor Bill de Blasio have used wartime metaphors and analogies to paint a grim picture of what to expect. Officials have said the state would need to double its available hospital beds to 100,000 and could be short as many as 25,000 ventilators.

As it prepares for the worst-case projections, the state is asking retired health care workers to volunteer to help. The city is considering trying to turn the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Manhattan into a makeshift hospital.

“The most striking part is the speed with which it has ramped up,” said Ben McVane, an emergency room doctor at Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens. “It went from a small trickle of patients to a deluge of patients in our departments.”
Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals


Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says
Nick Turse
March 21 2020, 12:27 a.m.
Italy’s Coronavirus Nightmare Could Happen in U.S. Within Days or Weeks, Ex-CDC Chief Says


hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

You have a case for NYC, where people live in shoeboxes basically on top of each other. Notice I wasn't talking about that in my OP. I was talking about remote places where there are NO cases of COVID, but where the gov have still shut down all the restaurants/bars in the state.

Address the OP, not what I didn't say.

i did address what you said. i said there aren't any CONFIRMED cases in the area you are talking about. either people don't realize what they have or are asymptomatic or the incubation period hasn't reared their ugly symptoms yet. more people are saying they don't know HOW they got it - well SOMEBODY is giving it to them. & all it takes are close clusters of people to get it going. why do you think NYC et al are getting hit hard?

It is beyond idiotic to shut down an entire nation's economy based on information that is unknown.

Only liberals would advocate it, actually.

Only liberals care? Glad you pointed that out.

 

[SweetSue92]

Americans are a bunch of pussies. It’s a fucking virus. It’s less likely to kill than the flu. I haven’t changed anything in the way I live my life. Police state here we come.

I cannot understand why we are in a police state atmosphere right now. Over 99% of those that contract COVID-19 will recover from it. Folks, I am not minimizing this illness. COVID-19 is something to take seriously. It is highly contagious and spreads quickly. Yes, it causes respiratory failure and death in those most susceptible: the elderly and those with chronic health conditions including diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and lung disorders. We may not even have enough respirators for those who have a serious case.


Coronavirus XI: What the Hell is Going On? The Fear Should Stop!

The cultural fear of death comes from our cultural death of Christianity.

I have another thread on that in the Religion/Ethics forum. There have always been atheists, non-Christians, secularists among us, as is their right. But our collective Christianity acted as something of a herd immunity right? And made us bolder, more courageous.

Now, the fear of death is pervasive. Again. Most Americans feel there is nothing beyond their own hide. So, they are afraid. Crap on a cracker, I would be too if I believed that.

No our cultural fear of death comes from human beings innate desire to you know, not wanna die. The will to live. Also, the fear that once we close our eyes and take that final dirt nap, there will be nothing but blackness. No afterlife, no deity to comfort us, no seeing loved ones for a last conversation or to make amends. Just dark, cold, blackness. Nothing. And the prospect of that scares the deeply religious to death. But, look at it this way, you'll be dead so you won't care.

There won't be any civil disobedience. This isn't a police state. Wanting people to observe rules for the benefit of their fellow man is not restricting freedoms. But if people keep walking around spouting some of the misinformation that I've heard (especially from right wing talk radio, Internet media, and of course our pals at Fox), we'll become Italy..or worse, Iran. And let's stop with coronavirus is the flu baloney. It isn't. It's mortality rate is higher, it's more contagious, and it's been described as the perfect killing machine of a virus for the elderly and people with underlying preexisting conditions. Our healthcare system isn't designed for a mass pandemic.It never was.

Finally, Trump's response to this virus just seals the deal that he wholly unfit to sit in that Oval Office chair. His delay in responding like a leader is costing people their lives.
You can pass this off as Trump hate, TDS, or whatever helps you sleep at night. He needs to slink back to Trump Tower...like immediately. It's painful watching him at these press conferences. You can tell that not only does he have no interest in being there, he's wishing he was anywhere else. It isn't fun for him anymore. He can't campaign his way out of this.

Our fear of death comes from our survival instinct, which means we're mammals. We're supposed to be humans and rise above this at least once in awhile.

The rest of this does not merit a response