Who are the Israelis?

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Palestinian Arabs obviously are the only true natives.
The Israelis do not even know their own heritage, and know that the Hebrew tribes were all Arab

Looks like the Hebrew Arabs are beating the Muslim Arabs.

 

[Rigby5]

The immigrating Jews from Europe, stole the land from the native Palestinians

Those Arabs didn't own the land.

They started around 1920, and now they have stolen the majority of Palestine.

The Arabs could have had half the land, how much do they have now?

Wong.
The native Arab Palestinians owned all the land.
Even the collective pasture land was owned by the nearby Arab villages.
The only problem is that the Ottoman Empire claimed sovereignty, but that did not preclude individual ownership rights of Arab under neath that national sovereignty.
They could not have built buildings if they did not "own the land".
All Israeli land claims are illegal lies.

 

[Rigby5]

What makes your position relevant for the sake of discussion?
Hollow accusations are not criticism, it's merely a position,
and an irrational one.

Those in adverse possession by theft have no rights at all.

 

[Rigby5]

Looks like the Hebrew Arabs are beating the Muslim Arabs.

Anyone with weapons can easily beat those without.
But those without the weapons were there first and are the rightful owner.

 

[Rigby5]

What makes your position relevant for the sake of discussion?
Hollow accusations are not criticism, it's merely a position,
and an irrational one.

Obviously it is not a "hollow accusation" to point out the Hebrew had no presence in the Levant until their illegal invasion around 1000 BC.
And their massacres of native, like the Canaanites at Jericho, preclude them ever being allowed to rule.
Nor did they ever rule long, being kicked out by 750 BC or so.

So you can't come back 2000 years later and claim the land based on ancient massacres.

 

[rylah]

The Israelis are not native, nor ever were.
The Hebrew invaded around 1000 BC, but were never native and were defeated by the Babylonian after only around 250 years of brutal and illegal rule.
The proof of that is the story of Joshua committing genocide against the native Canaanites at Jericho.

And the current Jewish immigration is not even from the Mideast, and is Ashkenazi Khazars from the Ukraine.

The Palestinian Arabs obviously are the only true natives.
The Israelis do not even know their own heritage, and know that the Hebrew tribes were all Arab.

That's a weak position for a Muslim.
Even the secular position of the minimalists archaeologists,
denying the Biblical record, ascribes Israelite origin among Canaanites.

Without learning another language,
Arabs can't even pronounce 'P - alestine',
all Jews, including those from Muslim states, can.

 

[rylah]

Those in adverse possession by theft have no rights at all.

Interesting, how do you think native minorities feel about
exclusive Arab domination over the entire Middle East and North Africa?

Be careful with the terms you set, you invite judgement by the same measure.
There's justice in the fact that it is a minority defeating Arab imperialism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wong.
The native Arab Palestinians owned all the land.
Even the collective pasture land was owned by the nearby Arab villages.
The only problem is that the Ottoman Empire claimed sovereignty, but that did not preclude individual ownership rights of Arab under neath that national sovereignty.
They could not have built buildings if they did not "own the land".
All Israeli land claims are illegal lies.

The native Arab Palestinians owned all the land.

Nah. They didn't own any of it.

The only problem is that the Ottoman Empire claimed sovereignty, but that did not preclude individual ownership rights of Arab under neath that national sovereignty.

What'd the Arabs own? 1%? 2%?

They could not have built buildings if they did not "own the land".

Baloney. Even today the Arabs build without owning the land.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those in adverse possession by theft have no rights at all.

When are those Arabs gonna give back all that land and move back to Saudi Arabia?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Anyone with weapons can easily beat those without.
But those without the weapons were there first and are the rightful owner.

Even when it's 5 Arab armies? Did they invade with no weapons?
Why are Arabs such idiots?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even when it's 5 Arab armies? Did they invade with no weapons?
Why are Arabs such idiots?

Nothing was taken from those 5 Arab countries. They did not lose that war.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nothing was taken from those 5 Arab countries. They did not lose that war.

Took away their pride.

How much larger was Israel after the war the Arabs didn't lose, compared to before the war?

 

[rylah]

Obviously it is not a "hollow accusation" to point out the Hebrew had no presence in the Levant until their illegal invasion around 1000 BC.
And their massacres of native, like the Canaanites at Jericho, preclude them ever being allowed to rule.
Nor did they ever rule long, being kicked out by 750 BC or so.

So you can't come back 2000 years later and claim the land based on ancient massacres.

The Hebrew invasion wasn't "illegal", it's shows how ridiculous is your logic.

Hebrew civilization predated that invasion,
one of the earliest states in the region, in Ebla,
also happens to be the earliest found state archive.

And Canaanites weren't natives, they adopted the local Hebrew dialects,
that's why there was no need for a translator approaching Canaanite cities.

The Archives of Ebla and the Bible | AHRC

The ancient archives of the city of Ebla from the 3rd millennium B.C. were written in a Semitic language very similar to Hebrew and has provided revelation into the biblical text and has assisted scholars in interpreting difficult passages within the text.

ancient-hebrew.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

Took away their pride.

How much larger was Israel after the war the Arabs didn't lose, compared to before the war?

I don't know. Israel has no borders.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know. Israel has no borders.

More Jews control more land than ever.

Meanwhile, still no Palestine.

 

[rylah]

So you can't come back 2000 years later and claim the land based on ancient massacres.

Why not?

Ancient massacres are part of our history,
history that is the context of international law
recognizing the re-constitution of the Jewish nation.

Yes, the rule in my nation was to massacre the 7 Cannanite tribes,
and that was exactly the practice in the region those days.

Meanwhile, Arabs still can't pronounce 'P - alestine'...

 

[P F Tinmore]

More Jews control more land than ever.

Meanwhile, still no Palestine.

Control is an occupation term.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Control is an occupation term.

How much land do the Palestinians control?

 

[P F Tinmore]

How much land do the Palestinians control?

They are not occupying the territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]