Who Are The Palestinains?

[Hossfly]

Didn't read the thread, far too long at 132 pagers in my browser settings, but I ran across this Op Ed a little while ago while following another story.

So Much for Arab Nationality; Ditto for "Occupation" - Op-Eds - Arutz Sheva

Do the 'Palestinians' have a 'national anthem' yet? If they do, finally, do the lyrics sound as if they were written by Borat?

Does this sound like Borat?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPdGhaNK0IU]Funniest Arab Video - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Billo_Really]

What's happening today is the Palestinians are getting buggered and they asked for it. So they had better like it.

Palestinian's didn't ask to be occupied.

Israel acts like a neighborhood bully.

And the fate of a bully, is always the same.

They eventually get the shit kicked out of them.

 

[toastman]

What's happening today is the Palestinians are getting buggered and they asked for it. So they had better like it.

Palestinian's didn't ask to be occupied.

Israel acts like a neighborhood bully.

And the fate of a bully, is always the same.

They eventually get the shit kicked out of them.

HAHAHAHA let us know when that happens.

In the mean time:





BTW, Los Angele just won the Stanley Cup...again

 

[MJB12741]

I too am ticked off with those Zionists in Israel bullying the Palestinians into hatred & violence with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions. Face it you Zionists, not once has Israel even tried to help free the Palestinians back to their native homelands.

What's happening today is the Palestinians are getting buggered and they asked for it. So they had better like it.

Palestinian's didn't ask to be occupied.

Israel acts like a neighborhood bully.

And the fate of a bully, is always the same.

They eventually get the shit kicked out of them.

 

[thanatos144]

133 pages and not once did anyone disprove the op

 

[Picaro]

133 pages and not once did anyone disprove the op

Probably because there is no need to, since some 2,000 years of history made the OP ridiculous in the first place.

 

[Picaro]

I too am ticked off with those Zionists in Israel bullying the Palestinians into hatred & violence with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions. Face it you Zionists, not once has Israel even tried to help free the Palestinians back to their native homelands.

Syria and Egypt rejected taking them in after the 1948 war. It's telling that their own countries don't want them either, and neither did the 'two state' solution work for them, since Jordan won't take them. Thinking a three state solution will work is just delusional. They like being 'refugees'; they live far better as 'refugees' than they ever would in Arab states or with their own 'state'.

 

[thanatos144]

133 pages and not once did anyone disprove the op

Probably because there is no need to, since some 2,000 years of history made the OP ridiculous in the first place.

LOL No it didn't....Why dont you go read the op before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

 

[Kondor3]

What's happening today is the Palestinians are getting buggered and they asked for it. So they had better like it.

Palestinian's didn't ask to be occupied.

Israel acts like a neighborhood bully.

And the fate of a bully, is always the same.

They eventually get the shit kicked out of them.

You can always send your Photoshop battleship after them.

 

[Picaro]

133 pages and not once did anyone disprove the op

Probably because there is no need to, since some 2,000 years of history made the OP ridiculous in the first place.

LOL No it didn't....Why dont you go read the op before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

It claims they are an invented people; they aren't invented, they just aren't a 'people' at all, and in fact are immigrants from other Arab countries; the few living in the hills considered themselves part of 'greater Syria' in the last couple of centuries, but they were never a 'people', invented or otherwise. Outside of a few of the hill dwellers, the rest are immigrants, mostly illegal ones at that. They're Syrians for administrative purposes, not 'Palestinians'.

 

[thanatos144]

Probably because there is no need to, since some 2,000 years of history made the OP ridiculous in the first place.

LOL No it didn't....Why dont you go read the op before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

It claims they are an invented people; they aren't invented, they just aren't a 'people' at all, and in fact are immigrants from other Arab countries; the few living in the hills considered themselves part of 'greater Syria' in the last couple of centuries, but they were never a 'people', invented or otherwise. Outside of a few of the hill dwellers, the rest are immigrants, mostly illegal ones at that. They're Syrians.

They are a invented people and history proves it

tapatalk post

 

[Picaro]

They are a invented people and history proves it

Nah. Just because some Egyptians made them up in the 1950's doesn't make it so. It was just an excuse for Egypt and Syria to force them to stay in the West Bank as a tool for their foreign policies..

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Too little - too late.

Well then, that explains the All Palestine Government and its declaration of a Palestinian state in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The UN Partition Plan was already in effect. The APG tried to declare independence over territory already declared independent under Israel; months after the fact (SEPT '48 ). It was a bumbling Arab attempt to circumvent the Partition Plan that failed after the failed invasion by the Arab League.

Don't be ridiculous. Not even the Arab League recognized it as having any legitimacy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap, Rocco. The Palestinians did not declare independence on any Israeli territory.

The Arab states, except for Jordan who was promised the West Bank, recognized Palestine.

>>the Arab League initiated the creation of an organisation representing the Palestinian people. The first Palestinian National Council convened in East Jerusalem on 29 May 1964.<<

 

[Kondor3]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Too little - too late.


(COMMENT)

The UN Partition Plan was already in effect. The APG tried to declare independence over territory already declared independent under Israel; months after the fact (SEPT '48 ). It was a bumbling Arab attempt to circumvent the Partition Plan that failed after the failed invasion by the Arab League.

Don't be ridiculous. Not even the Arab League recognized it as having any legitimacy.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap, Rocco. The Palestinians did not declare independence on any Israeli territory.

The Arab states, except for Jordan who was promised the West Bank, recognized Palestine.

>>the Arab League initiated the creation of an organisation representing the Palestinian people. The first Palestinian National Council convened in East Jerusalem on 29 May 1964.<<

Actually, wasn't the first All-Palestine Council formed in September, 1948, right before their first half-assed and failed attempt at declaring Statehood or Independence? Mind you, it was a puppet of the Arab League, designed specifically to offset the new Israeli Knesset, but that was some time prior to 1964... or so I seem to recall, re: the first council. Of course, your mileage may vary.

 

[aris2chat]

We have seen that borders, declared by the mandate or the state mean little. It is a matter of who controls the land.
Israel could have declared all land taken in '67 as their's. For the sake of peace land was exchanged.
What land is palestinians willing to exchange for statehood?

 

[aris2chat]

I too am ticked off with those Zionists in Israel bullying the Palestinians into hatred & violence with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions. Face it you Zionists, not once has Israel even tried to help free the Palestinians back to their native homelands.

Syria and Egypt rejected taking them in after the 1948 war. It's telling that their own countries don't want them either, and neither did the 'two state' solution work for them, since Jordan won't take them. Thinking a three state solution will work is just delusional. They like being 'refugees'; they live far better as 'refugees' than they ever would in Arab states or with their own 'state'.

Under egyptian occupation, refugees in the gaza were much better off, had housing, education, eat a better diet and had proper medical care in the camps than those outside them.

 

[Picaro]

'Palestine' is a regional term, and is not a tribal designation; Jews are as much 'Palestinians' as Arabs, Greeks, Druze, Poles, Marronites, hippies, used car salesmen, mimes, and anybody else living in the area. It is not a term for a specific people.

 

[Picaro]

I too am ticked off with those Zionists in Israel bullying the Palestinians into hatred & violence with their damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions. Face it you Zionists, not once has Israel even tried to help free the Palestinians back to their native homelands.

Syria and Egypt rejected taking them in after the 1948 war. It's telling that their own countries don't want them either, and neither did the 'two state' solution work for them, since Jordan won't take them. Thinking a three state solution will work is just delusional. They like being 'refugees'; they live far better as 'refugees' than they ever would in Arab states or with their own 'state'.

Under egyptian occupation, refugees in the gaza were much better off, had housing, education, eat a better diet and had proper medical care in the camps than those outside them.

I wouldn't argue the Egyptians weren't better for them administratively than the Hamas gangsters are.

They shouldn't have voted for the vermin. Doesn't make Israel responsible for them or their screwed up antisemitism.

 

[Roudy]

The Arabs themselves, including PLO leaders and founders scoffed at the idea of a Palestinian people. Mainly because at the time it meant that you were Jewish. Most of the Arab leaders thought of the idea of a Palestinian people as a Zionist conspiracy.

I think both of you are saying the same thing. The Palestinians are made up of Arab immigrants and invaders from neighboring Arab countries. Therefore they are both invented" and a people.

 

[amity1844]

The Arabs themselves, including PLO leaders and founders scoffed at the idea of a Palestinian people. Mainly because at the time it meant that you were Jewish. Most of the Arab leaders thought of the idea of a Palestinian people as a Zionist conspiracy.

I think both of you are saying the same thing. The Palestinians are made up of Arab immigrants and invaders from neighboring Arab countries. Therefore they are both invented" and a people.

I seriously doubt that.

Look as I said previously, Palestine is the area between the Jordan River/Dead Sea and the Mediterranean. Whoever is inhabiting it at any given point in time is by definition a Palestinian.

Modern nation-state concepts came about in Europe during the Renaissance, around 16th - 18th centuries. And since it is a European concept at its foundation, don't expect other peoples to fall right in line. It wasn't the trip of the Han, the Aztecs, the Navajo, the Palestinians, the Nok, the Khmer, the Sentinelese, or the Sahelis until much later, if ever. But that doesn't make them any less the indigenous people of their homelands.

Palestinian national consciousness, that is consciousness of themselves as a nation, goes back to the revolt of 1848.

Let this book 'splain it you:

Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness by Walid Khalidi